It has become painfully, even fatally, obvious we have a police problem in this country......

[paulitician]

The Police should be kept away from peaceful protests. There's no reason for them to be there. It comes off as intimidation and incitement.

Most "peaceful protests" aren't peaceful at all, especially BLM protests. The police are needed to quell their riots.

I don't know, if it's a peaceful protest, the police really shouldn't be involved. Their presence can come off as intimidation and incitement.

How do you know whether a protest will be peaceful or not? How do you know there won't be counter-protesters there endangering the people with peaceful intentions.

People in large groups consistently do stupid things.

I think it's time to consider requiring police to stay certain distances away from peaceful protests. Their presence often comes off as intimidation and incitement. The People have the right to peaceful protest. The police don't have to be involved.

 

[BluesLegend]

The police didn't just wake up one day and decide to single out blacks, here are the stats from Obama's own DOJ...

Using figures for the 2013 racial mix of the population–62.2 percent white, 17.1 percent Hispanic, 13.2 percent black–we can calculate the average likelihood of a person of each race attacking the other. A black is 27 times more likely to attack a white and 8 times more likely to attack a Hispanic than the other way around.

During the 2012/2013 period, blacks committed an average of 560,600 violent crimes against whites, whereas whites committed only 99,403 such crimes against blacks. This means blacks were the attackers in 84.9 percent of the violent crimes involving blacks and whites.

Interestingly, violent interracial crime involving blacks and Hispanics occurs in almost exactly the same proportions as black/white crime: Blacks are the attackers 82.5 percent of the time, while Hispanics are attackers only 17.5 percent of the time.

 

[BluesLegend]

The Police should be kept away from peaceful protests. There's no reason for them to be there. It comes off as intimidation and incitement.

Most "peaceful protests" aren't peaceful at all, especially BLM protests. The police are needed to quell their riots.

I don't know, if it's a peaceful protest, the police really shouldn't be involved. Their presence can come off as intimidation and incitement.

How do you know whether a protest will be peaceful or not? How do you know there won't be counter-protesters there endangering the people with peaceful intentions.

People in large groups consistently do stupid things.

I think it's time to consider requiring police to stay certain distances away from peaceful protests. Their presence often comes off as intimidation and incitement. The People have the right to peaceful protest. The police don't have to be involved.

You seem to be ignoring the FACT that police have a responsibility to protect citizens and property and the FACT of how many times these protests have devolved into lawless riots, looting and burning. There is a consequence to this behavior, fix the lawless behavior and the rest will take care of itself.

 

[paulitician]

The Police should be kept away from peaceful protests. There's no reason for them to be there. It comes off as intimidation and incitement.

Most "peaceful protests" aren't peaceful at all, especially BLM protests. The police are needed to quell their riots.

I don't know, if it's a peaceful protest, the police really shouldn't be involved. Their presence can come off as intimidation and incitement.

How do you know whether a protest will be peaceful or not? How do you know there won't be counter-protesters there endangering the people with peaceful intentions.

People in large groups consistently do stupid things.

I think it's time to consider requiring police to stay certain distances away from peaceful protests. Their presence often comes off as intimidation and incitement. The People have the right to peaceful protest. The police don't have to be involved.

You seem to be ignoring the FACT that police have a responsibility to protect citizens and property and the FACT of how many times these protests have devolved into lawless riots, looting and burning. There is a consequence to this behavior, fix the lawless behavior and the rest will take care of itself.

Well that's what i'm talkin about. It's a presumption on the part of the Police that there's gonna be violence. And their presence can actually be the catalyst for the violence. For me, as long as the protest is peaceful, a police presence isn't required. They should keep their distance.

 

[Timmy]

It could've easily been a sports team rally that was targeted .

If you are strong up to shoot cops it wouldn't be hard to find some gather with police detail around .

 

[pillars]

Don't talk to me about rare incidents. Talk about the over all status in which police are good and protect and serve the masses. If one looks at the reported cases of police misconduct while recognizing that many if not most of them are bogus, then take that original number of reported cases, double them to insure there is no biased approach, divide than number by the number of LEOs in the US you will find that the bad ones total no more than .5% of police. Whining about one or a few incidence does not compute.

Up until a police officer shoots your son. Or brother. Or wife.

I agree...the majority of police officers are good people, and they do take their oath to protect and serve seriously. But, the people who don't have the power to cause extremely serious harm to people.

Dismissing it is stupid.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

The police didn't just wake up one day and decide to single out blacks, here are the stats from Obama's own DOJ...

Using figures for the 2013 racial mix of the population–62.2 percent white, 17.1 percent Hispanic, 13.2 percent black–we can calculate the average likelihood of a person of each race attacking the other. A black is 27 times more likely to attack a white and 8 times more likely to attack a Hispanic than the other way around.

During the 2012/2013 period, blacks committed an average of 560,600 violent crimes against whites, whereas whites committed only 99,403 such crimes against blacks. This means blacks were the attackers in 84.9 percent of the violent crimes involving blacks and whites.

Interestingly, violent interracial crime involving blacks and Hispanics occurs in almost exactly the same proportions as black/white crime: Blacks are the attackers 82.5 percent of the time, while Hispanics are attackers only 17.5 percent of the time.

82.4% of all murdered white people are murdered by white people.
Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

It is possible to support the police & condemn the bad apples.

Just wanted to remind people of that fact.

I support the men in blue, do you? I still believe that last night's horrific events do not mean we should not strive to make our police force better by utilizing better screening for new hires.

At the same time the chants of death to cops must stop. Freedom of speech does not give you the right to incite violence.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I also want to remind the loose marbles that this thread was created HOURS before any protests began in Dallas. Had those events already taken place I would have waited a few days out of respect for the dead to create this thread. But that's all water under the bridge at this point.

 

[paulitician]

It is possible to support the police & condemn the bad apples.

Just wanted to remind people of that fact.

I support the men in blue, do you? I still believe that last night's horrific events do not mean we should not strive to make our police force better by utilizing better screening for new hires.

At the same time the chants of death to cops must stop. Freedom of speech does not give you the right to incite violence.

Well said. Thanks.

 

[pillars]

It is possible to support the police & condemn the bad apples.

Just wanted to remind people of that fact.

I support the men in blue, do you? I still believe that last night's horrific events do not mean we should not strive to make our police force better by utilizing better screening for new hires.

At the same time the chants of death to cops must stop. Freedom of speech does not give you the right to incite violence.

I appreciate your comments.

One of the first things I did this morning, after I saw the report on CNN, was to text a number of the guys I work with closely who are in law enforcement, and let them know that I care about them, am praying for them, and told them to be careful and stay safe out there, and then I asked them to pass those thoughts along to their co-workers.

I am one of the first people to defend both of our local law enforcement agencies (police and sheriff), and I have a high level of respect for the people that we work with.

But I know there are bad apples out there even in my community, because I have experienced it personally at first hand.

I've seen a cop in a school yelling in a teenager's face, encouraging the kid to hit him, so he'd have cause to take the kid into custody and take him to jail. I have seen sloppy arrests, sloppy documentation, and completely spurious charges against mostly young black males.

The people who work for me have been pulled over for incredibly ridiculous reasons, and hassled, and they are guys who are committed to taking care of the community and the youth of the community, at the risk of their own personal safety.

THIS SITUATION IS REAL. Just because you live a sheltered life in your little white suburban gated enclave and have never experienced this scenario doesn't mean that it isn't real...and common.

 

[francoHFW]

Well.....the "problem" is concentrated on a small % who shouldn't be cops. Hiring standards have been lowered. So have training standards.

The simple math shows the "problem" isn't widespread. But out of 1,000,000 cops making 14,000,000 arrests per year.....it only takes about 5-10 bad videos per year to make it seem to be a massive problem.

Amercian Police are killing Citizens at a shocking rate. Possibly the most dangerous deadly Police Force on earth.

That is a LIE.....An absolute falsehood. Stop it....
Take your libertarian crap and cram it.

American Police may very well be the most dangerous Police Force on earth. Not only are they resorting to violence more & more, but they're now also imprisoning more Citizens than any other nation on earth. Sadly, our police have been turned into emotionless killing machines.

They've forgotten that their function is to serve the Citizens. Now it's all about kicking doors down and hunting Citizens. They're being trained as if they're waging war on the People. We need to reverse the Militarization process. Being a Soldier and a Police Officer, are two very different things. We need to move away from Military-style policing.

Except for any dictatorship anywhere...and many corrupt democracies. We definitely have a racist problem.

 

[francoHFW]

It is possible to support the police & condemn the bad apples.

Just wanted to remind people of that fact.

I support the men in blue, do you? I still believe that last night's horrific events do not mean we should not strive to make our police force better by utilizing better screening for new hires.

At the same time the chants of death to cops must stop. Freedom of speech does not give you the right to incite violence.

Well said. Thanks.

Also true that there's a LOT less of that going on than you would think watching Fox etc etc etc. And people like Sharpton have been lied about a helluva lot too......

 

[dnsmith1935]

The Police should be kept away from peaceful protests. There's no reason for them to be there. It comes off as intimidation and incitement.

Most "peaceful protests" aren't peaceful at all, especially BLM protests. The police are needed to quell their riots.

I don't know, if it's a peaceful protest, the police really shouldn't be involved. Their presence can come off as intimidation and incitement.

How do you know whether a protest will be peaceful or not? How do you know there won't be counter-protesters there endangering the people with peaceful intentions.

People in large groups consistently do stupid things.

I think it's time to consider requiring police to stay certain distances away from peaceful protests. Their presence often comes off as intimidation and incitement. The People have the right to peaceful protest. The police don't have to be involved.

 

[dnsmith1935]

It is possible to support the police & condemn the bad apples.

Just wanted to remind people of that fact.

I support the men in blue, do you? I still believe that last night's horrific events do not mean we should not strive to make our police force better by utilizing better screening for new hires.

At the same time the chants of death to cops must stop. Freedom of speech does not give you the right to incite violence.

Well said. Thanks.

Also true that there's a LOT less of that going on than you would think watching Fox etc etc etc. And people like Sharpton have been lied about a helluva lot too......

I never watch fox. I speak from the experience of watching some of those peaceful protests. Mostly violent militancy. Police should ALWAYS BE AROUND TO COUNTER that militancy. I have been assaulted at one of those "peaceful demonstration" just for being in the area and being white. No militant protests should ever not be surrounded by the police, and the police need to be more proactive against the violence those "peaceful" demonstrations. My family and I have never had a racist bone in our bodies, but I resent the implications blacks aim at me.

 

[francoHFW]

It is possible to support the police & condemn the bad apples.

Just wanted to remind people of that fact.

I support the men in blue, do you? I still believe that last night's horrific events do not mean we should not strive to make our police force better by utilizing better screening for new hires.

At the same time the chants of death to cops must stop. Freedom of speech does not give you the right to incite violence.

Well said. Thanks.

Also true that there's a LOT less of that going on than you would think watching Fox etc etc etc. And people like Sharpton have been lied about a helluva lot too......

I never watch fox. I speak from the experience of watching some of those peaceful protests. Mostly violent militancy. Police should ALWAYS BE AROUND TO COUNTER that militancy. I have been assaulted at one of those "peaceful demonstration" just for being in the area and being white. No militant protests should ever not be surrounded by the police, and the police need to be more proactive against the violence those "peaceful" demonstrations. My family and I have never had a racist bone in our bodies, but I resent the implications blacks aim at me.

You are certainly misinformed by the GOP propaganda machine and/or its viewers...the GOP bs mythology is strong. Straight assault for no reason?

 

[paulitician]

One thing is clear, the Police State will benefit from these tragedies. More justification for taking more Citizen's rights away. A real Win-Win for Big Brother.

 

[Syriusly]

The Police should be kept away from peaceful protests. There's no reason for them to be there. It comes off as intimidation and incitement.

Most "peaceful protests" aren't peaceful at all, especially BLM protests. The police are needed to quell their riots.

By all accounts this protest was extremely peaceful- and had been coordinated with the Dallas Police Department- right up to the point where the asshole started shooting at police officers.

Don't talk to me about rare incidents..

I am not talking about 'rare incidents'- I am talking about the relevant recent protest.

But most protests are indeed peaceful.

 

[francoHFW]

The police didn't just wake up one day and decide to single out blacks, here are the stats from Obama's own DOJ...

Using figures for the 2013 racial mix of the population–62.2 percent white, 17.1 percent Hispanic, 13.2 percent black–we can calculate the average likelihood of a person of each race attacking the other. A black is 27 times more likely to attack a white and 8 times more likely to attack a Hispanic than the other way around.

During the 2012/2013 period, blacks committed an average of 560,600 violent crimes against whites, whereas whites committed only 99,403 such crimes against blacks. This means blacks were the attackers in 84.9 percent of the violent crimes involving blacks and whites.

Interestingly, violent interracial crime involving blacks and Hispanics occurs in almost exactly the same proportions as black/white crime: Blacks are the attackers 82.5 percent of the time, while Hispanics are attackers only 17.5 percent of the time.

POOR people, same stats. Coincidence? LOL.

 

[dnsmith1935]

It is possible to support the police & condemn the bad apples.

Just wanted to remind people of that fact.

I support the men in blue, do you? I still believe that last night's horrific events do not mean we should not strive to make our police force better by utilizing better screening for new hires.

At the same time the chants of death to cops must stop. Freedom of speech does not give you the right to incite violence.

Well said. Thanks.

Also true that there's a LOT less of that going on than you would think watching Fox etc etc etc. And people like Sharpton have been lied about a helluva lot too......

I never watch fox. I speak from the experience of watching some of those peaceful protests. Mostly violent militancy. Police should ALWAYS BE AROUND TO COUNTER that militancy. I have been assaulted at one of those "peaceful demonstration" just for being in the area and being white. No militant protests should ever not be surrounded by the police, and the police need to be more proactive against the violence those "peaceful" demonstrations. My family and I have never had a racist bone in our bodies, but I resent the implications blacks aim at me.

You are certainly misinformed by the GOP propaganda machine and/or its viewers...the GOP bs mythology is strong. Straight assault for no reason?

The misinformation is coming from you. I am a Dem, at lest have been up to this election and I am fully informed by the facts, not the propaganda your weak kneed left wing extremists put forth. When you talk about "peaceful" demonstrations, you should get out there next to one. Be prepared to run for your life. I DO AGREE THAT THE GOP IS wrong, but left wing extremists like you are wrong too, equally so..