Israel's Independence Day!

Arab Palestine conference 1919:

1 . We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographic bonds.

2. The Declaration made by M. Pichon, Minister for Foreig Affairs for France, that France had rights in our country based on the desires and aspirations of the inhabitants has no foundation and we reject all the declarations made in his speech of 29th December 1918, as our wishes and aspirations are only in Arab unity and complete independence.

3. In view of the above we desire that one district Southern Syria or Palestine should not be separated from the Independent Arab Syrian Government and to be free from all foreign influence and protection.

4. In accordance with the rule laid down by President Wilson and approved by most of the Great Powers we consider that every promise or treaty concluded in respect of our country and its future as null and void and reject the same.

5. The Government of the country will apply for help to its friend Great Britain in case of need for the improvement and development of the country provided that this will not affect its independence and Arab unity in any way and will keep good relations with the Allied Powers. 78

The Palestine Conference also decided to send a delegation to Damascus 'to inform Arab patriots there of the decision to call Palestine Southern Syria and unite it with Northern Syria '.

King Faisal of Iraq (and Syria)

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Just imagine, if Arabs had it the way they wanted - we'd end up in Syria today.
Under the rule of another Arabian sheikh from Mecca...and that in the better case.

Not my kind of idea of independence.
 
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RE: Israel's Independence Day!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, that is in part exactly what I am implying.

You were implying that carrying bombs in by hand is terrorism and dropping bombs out of airplanes is not.

I don't see a difference except bombs dropped out of airplanes kill more people.
(COMMENT)

In 1948, the Arab League and associates crossed outside their borders and engaged Israeli Forces in an attempt to prevent the successful establishment of the Jewish National Home. The entry of these "external forces" was not predicated or based on respect for the principle of equal rights for the Jewish People or the Right to Self-determination of People. Nor was it in the spirit of the decision made by the Allied Powers in 1920, or the recommendation of the UN Partition Plan.

Since the time of the original decisions of the Allied Powers, the Arab Palestinians have continually rejected any participation in establishing self-governing institutions, and the Arab Palestinians continuously chose the military, political, economic forms of coercion aimed against Jewish independence or territorial integrity of the Jewish State. The Hostile Arab Palestinians, since the time of the 1920 San Remo Convention adopted hostility and conflict as the principle means to settle their international disputes; as opposed to using peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security are not endangered. The Arab Palestinian, in the first two decades of the 21st Century, have consistently formed a political position based on:
  • No peace with Israel,
  • No recognition of Israel,
  • No negotiations.
Even as the world turns into the 21st Century, the Hostile Arab Palestinians have consistently been the first to engage in hostile action. They use Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence to achieve what they have not been able to acquire through diplomatic, political or negotiated means.

The State of Israel has become faced with a Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) culture that uses their civilian, non-combatant population to mask their offensive military operations. By violating these four Customary and IHL Rules, they either create a situation in which they Arab Palestinian can fire indiscriminately into Israel without fear of retaliation. And if there is a military response the HoAP attempt to maximized innocent casualties by locating targets in areas surrounded by innocent civilians.


In recent weeks, we've seen the HoAP try and push protected civilians in the direction of the border in order to damage and possibly penetrate into sovereign Israeli territory.

When the HoAP attempt to engage Israel, there is every expectation the Israelis will respond. The HoAP are not immune from such responses from the Israelis in order to suppress hostile action against Israel, or to protect the Sovereignty of Israel, and to ensure the integrity of Israel's territory.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
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RE: Israel's Independence Day!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You seem to forget that the Mandates never annexed any territory. The land was ceded directly to the Palestinians and the people of the other new states.
(COMMENT)

This is 100% → absolutely 100% a false and misleading statement.

The territory was surrendered by the Ottoman Empire in the Armistice of Mudros (Article 16) and passed to the Allied Powers in Article 16 of the Treaty of Lausanne.

Nowhere will you find a Treaty between either the → Ottoman Empire and the Arab Palestinians → or the Turkish Republic and the Arab Palestinians → wherein the "land was ceded directly to the Palestinians and the people." In fact, relative to the tract of land designated "Palestine" (within Area "B" of the Syke-Picot Agreement) by the Order in Council, NO NEW States were established until in the UK-TransJordan Treaty 1946.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
RE: Israel's Independence Day!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, that is in part exactly what I am implying.

You were implying that carrying bombs in by hand is terrorism and dropping bombs out of airplanes is not.

I don't see a difference except bombs dropped out of airplanes kill more people.
(COMMENT)

In 1948, the Arab League and associates crossed outside their borders and engaged Israeli Forces in an attempt to prevent the successful establishment of the Jewish National Home. The entry of these "external forces" was not predicated or based on respect for the principle of equal rights for the Jewish People or the Right to Self-determination of People. Nor was it in the spirit of the decision made by the Allied Powers in 1920, or the recommendation of the UN Partition Plan.

Since the time of the original decisions of the Allied Powers, the Arab Palestinians have continually rejected any participation in establishing self-governing institutions, and the Arab Palestinians continuously chose the military, political, economic forms of coercion aimed against Jewish independence or territorial integrity of the Jewish State. The Hostile Arab Palestinians, since the time of the 1920 San Remo Convention adopted hostility and conflict as the principle means to settle their international disputes; as opposed to using peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security are not endangered. The Arab Palestinian, in the first two decades of the 21st Century, have consistently formed a political position based on:
  • No peace with Israel,
  • No recognition of Israel,
  • No negotiations.
Even as the world turns into the 21st Century, the Hostile Arab Palestinians have consistently been the first to engage in hostile action. They use Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence to achieve what they have not been able to acquire through diplomatic, political or negotiated means.

The State of Israel has become faced with a Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) culture that uses their civilian, non-combatant population to mask their offensive military operations. By violating these four Customary and IHL Rules, they either create a situation in which they Arab Palestinian can fire indiscriminately into Israel without fear of retaliation. And if there is a military response the HoAP attempt to maximized innocent casualties by locating targets in areas surrounded by innocent civilians.


In recent weeks, we've seen the HoAP try and push protected civilians in the direction of the border in order to damage and possibly penetrate into sovereign Israeli territory.

When the HoAP attempt to engage Israel, there is every expectation the Israelis will respond. The HoAP are not immune from such responses from the Israelis in order to suppress hostile action against Israel, or to protect the Sovereignty of Israel, and to ensure the integrity of Israel's territory.

Most Respectfully,
R
Nice deflection.

So you think the Palestinians should have sat back and allowed the Zionist's settler colonial project shove to them out of their country?

What other people in the world would accept that?

Give me some names.
 
RE: Israel's Independence Day!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You seem to forget that the Mandates never annexed any territory. The land was ceded directly to the Palestinians and the people of the other new states.
(COMMENT)

This is 100% → absolutely 100% a false and misleading statement.

The territory was surrendered by the Ottoman Empire in the Armistice of Mudros (Article 16) and passed to the Allied Powers in Article 16 of the Treaty of Lausanne.

Nowhere will you find a Treaty between either the → Ottoman Empire and the Arab Palestinians → or the Turkish Republic and the Arab Palestinians → wherein the "land was ceded directly to the Palestinians and the people." In fact, relative to the tract of land designated "Palestine" (within Area "B" of the Syke-Picot Agreement) by the Order in Council, NO NEW States were established until in the UK-TransJordan Treaty 1946.

Most Respectfully,
R
What I said was true.
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Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”

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I don't see any middle men or monkey motions here. The land was directly transferred to the new states.
-------------------------
In a broader international context, the “Nationality law… showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship.”90 The inclusion of Palestinian nationality in the text of the Palestine Mandate was the first step towards an international recognition of the Palestinian people as distinct from the Ottoman people and other peoples. Palestinian nationality, like any other nationality, constitutes the formula by which a certain group of individuals are being legally connected and enabled to form the people element of the state.91
 
The Jews returned to their Ancestral home; Israel.........end of bloody story!!

Greg
 
RE: Israel's Independence Day!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You seem to forget that the Mandates never annexed any territory. The land was ceded directly to the Palestinians and the people of the other new states.
(COMMENT)

This is 100% → absolutely 100% a false and misleading statement.

The territory was surrendered by the Ottoman Empire in the Armistice of Mudros (Article 16) and passed to the Allied Powers in Article 16 of the Treaty of Lausanne.

Nowhere will you find a Treaty between either the → Ottoman Empire and the Arab Palestinians → or the Turkish Republic and the Arab Palestinians → wherein the "land was ceded directly to the Palestinians and the people." In fact, relative to the tract of land designated "Palestine" (within Area "B" of the Syke-Picot Agreement) by the Order in Council, NO NEW States were established until in the UK-TransJordan Treaty 1946.

Most Respectfully,
R
What I said was true.
--------------
Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”

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I don't see any middle men or monkey motions here. The land was directly transferred to the new states.
-------------------------
In a broader international context, the “Nationality law… showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship.”90 The inclusion of Palestinian nationality in the text of the Palestine Mandate was the first step towards an international recognition of the Palestinian people as distinct from the Ottoman people and other peoples. Palestinian nationality, like any other nationality, constitutes the formula by which a certain group of individuals are being legally connected and enabled to form the people element of the state.91

This is all the same cut and paste you have cut and pasted before, not understanding the context, now you’re including all the same cut and paste material you have dumped into multiple threads, multiple times.

Once again, you insist that your invented “country of Pally’land” existed when it clearly did not.

BTW, there was a thread dedicated to your incessant cutting and pasting because of your habit to drench every thread with the same whining you’re doing here.
 
RE: Israel's Independence Day!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, that is in part exactly what I am implying.

You were implying that carrying bombs in by hand is terrorism and dropping bombs out of airplanes is not.

I don't see a difference except bombs dropped out of airplanes kill more people.
(COMMENT)

In 1948, the Arab League and associates crossed outside their borders and engaged Israeli Forces in an attempt to prevent the successful establishment of the Jewish National Home. The entry of these "external forces" was not predicated or based on respect for the principle of equal rights for the Jewish People or the Right to Self-determination of People. Nor was it in the spirit of the decision made by the Allied Powers in 1920, or the recommendation of the UN Partition Plan.

Since the time of the original decisions of the Allied Powers, the Arab Palestinians have continually rejected any participation in establishing self-governing institutions, and the Arab Palestinians continuously chose the military, political, economic forms of coercion aimed against Jewish independence or territorial integrity of the Jewish State. The Hostile Arab Palestinians, since the time of the 1920 San Remo Convention adopted hostility and conflict as the principle means to settle their international disputes; as opposed to using peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security are not endangered. The Arab Palestinian, in the first two decades of the 21st Century, have consistently formed a political position based on:
  • No peace with Israel,
  • No recognition of Israel,
  • No negotiations.
Even as the world turns into the 21st Century, the Hostile Arab Palestinians have consistently been the first to engage in hostile action. They use Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence to achieve what they have not been able to acquire through diplomatic, political or negotiated means.

The State of Israel has become faced with a Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) culture that uses their civilian, non-combatant population to mask their offensive military operations. By violating these four Customary and IHL Rules, they either create a situation in which they Arab Palestinian can fire indiscriminately into Israel without fear of retaliation. And if there is a military response the HoAP attempt to maximized innocent casualties by locating targets in areas surrounded by innocent civilians.


In recent weeks, we've seen the HoAP try and push protected civilians in the direction of the border in order to damage and possibly penetrate into sovereign Israeli territory.

When the HoAP attempt to engage Israel, there is every expectation the Israelis will respond. The HoAP are not immune from such responses from the Israelis in order to suppress hostile action against Israel, or to protect the Sovereignty of Israel, and to ensure the integrity of Israel's territory.

Most Respectfully,
R
Nice deflection.

So you think the Palestinians should have sat back and allowed the Zionist's settler colonial project shove to them out of their country?

What other people in the world would accept that?

Give me some names.

Nice deflection. You tacitly acknowledge your argument is bankrupt so you deflect with something completely irrelevant.
 
RE: Israel's Independence Day!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You seem to forget that the Mandates never annexed any territory. The land was ceded directly to the Palestinians and the people of the other new states.
(COMMENT)

This is 100% → absolutely 100% a false and misleading statement.

The territory was surrendered by the Ottoman Empire in the Armistice of Mudros (Article 16) and passed to the Allied Powers in Article 16 of the Treaty of Lausanne.

Nowhere will you find a Treaty between either the → Ottoman Empire and the Arab Palestinians → or the Turkish Republic and the Arab Palestinians → wherein the "land was ceded directly to the Palestinians and the people." In fact, relative to the tract of land designated "Palestine" (within Area "B" of the Syke-Picot Agreement) by the Order in Council, NO NEW States were established until in the UK-TransJordan Treaty 1946.

Most Respectfully,
R
What I said was true.
--------------
Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”

-------------------------
I don't see any middle men or monkey motions here. The land was directly transferred to the new states.
-------------------------
In a broader international context, the “Nationality law… showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship.”90 The inclusion of Palestinian nationality in the text of the Palestine Mandate was the first step towards an international recognition of the Palestinian people as distinct from the Ottoman people and other peoples. Palestinian nationality, like any other nationality, constitutes the formula by which a certain group of individuals are being legally connected and enabled to form the people element of the state.91

This is all the same cut and paste you have cut and pasted before, not understanding the context, now you’re including all the same cut and paste material you have dumped into multiple threads, multiple times.

Once again, you insist that your invented “country of Pally’land” existed when it clearly did not.

BTW, there was a thread dedicated to your incessant cutting and pasting because of your habit to drench every thread with the same whining you’re doing here.
Should I not respond to Rocco's posts?
 
RE: Israel's Independence Day!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You seem to forget that the Mandates never annexed any territory. The land was ceded directly to the Palestinians and the people of the other new states.
(COMMENT)

This is 100% → absolutely 100% a false and misleading statement.

The territory was surrendered by the Ottoman Empire in the Armistice of Mudros (Article 16) and passed to the Allied Powers in Article 16 of the Treaty of Lausanne.

Nowhere will you find a Treaty between either the → Ottoman Empire and the Arab Palestinians → or the Turkish Republic and the Arab Palestinians → wherein the "land was ceded directly to the Palestinians and the people." In fact, relative to the tract of land designated "Palestine" (within Area "B" of the Syke-Picot Agreement) by the Order in Council, NO NEW States were established until in the UK-TransJordan Treaty 1946.

Most Respectfully,
R
What I said was true.
--------------
Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”

-------------------------
I don't see any middle men or monkey motions here. The land was directly transferred to the new states.
-------------------------
In a broader international context, the “Nationality law… showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship.”90 The inclusion of Palestinian nationality in the text of the Palestine Mandate was the first step towards an international recognition of the Palestinian people as distinct from the Ottoman people and other peoples. Palestinian nationality, like any other nationality, constitutes the formula by which a certain group of individuals are being legally connected and enabled to form the people element of the state.91

This is all the same cut and paste you have cut and pasted before, not understanding the context, now you’re including all the same cut and paste material you have dumped into multiple threads, multiple times.

Once again, you insist that your invented “country of Pally’land” existed when it clearly did not.

BTW, there was a thread dedicated to your incessant cutting and pasting because of your habit to drench every thread with the same whining you’re doing here.
Should I not respond to Rocco's posts?

There is a thread dedicated to your incessant whining.
 
Israel used terrorism and murdered many innocent people because they wanted a country of their own.

And now they hate the Palestinians because it is like looking in the mirror.
 
Israel used terrorism and murdered many innocent people because they wanted a country of their own.

And now they hate the Palestinians because it is like looking in the mirror.

There's a big difference between insurgency to fight for independence and sending Your kids in hope they die - just for the sake of continuing the conflict and a sick idea of honor in murdering Jews.
If Arabs wanted an independent country they could joint the Jews in the fight against the Brits.
However while Jews fought to get rid of occupation, Arabs chose to fight to get rid of the Jews.

The results are showing.
 
RE: Israel's Independence Day!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Now you are twisting things around to employ your own brand of misdirection.

Nice deflection.

So you think the Palestinians should have sat back and allowed the Zionist's settler colonial project shove to them out of their country?

What other people in the world would accept that?

Give me some names.
(COMMENT)

Like everywhere else in the world,

No one person don't get to make-up the system of rules to govern the behavior for a group or others; without the expection of backlash of the greater majority.
No one single segment of others can make-up the system of rules to govern the behavior for multiple cultures to follow; without the expection of backlash of the greater cultures.
No one one single set of cultures can make-up the system of rules to govern behavior for entire species to follow; without the expection of backlash of the greater species.​

And just as true, when the greater element of the governing set the system for a smaller subset of the more capable and greater organized, it becomes incumbent on the lesser subset to work within the greater system to effect changes that they endorse.

WHEN the lesser subset (aka the Arab Palestinians) within the great whole introduces the elements for the purpose of extortion through fear, force, corruption and violence → to coerse the other subsets (other countries) within the whole → to alter the system of rules to govern behavior for entire species and using the color of law to suppress smaller minority traits within the whole → for the gain or benefit of the the one subset (Arab Palestinians; THEN at some point there becomes a reasonable explosive political-military (POL-MIL) backlash as a result of the excessive pressure brought about by the suppression of the smaller minority traits (Jewishness) within the whole. The backlash becomes a defense for the survival of the minority trait.

Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine, and the restoration of all the rights, together with, of course, all forms of political and diplomatic struggle including in the media, public and legal [spheres]; with the need to mobilize all the energies of the nation in the battle.

The unity of the Palestinian land: The West Bank (including Jerusalem) and the Gaza Strip and the occupied land of 1948, one land with all its geography, it is one unit, not part separated from the other, which is a whole nation of the Palestinian people. The situation in Gaza now is exceptional and imposed on us, and not a natural situation, we can not accept that Gaza is separate...

Now it is important to note that the POL-MIL Pressures being build-up cover the entirely of the former Mandate of Palestine, west of the Jordan River. There is no compromise here. It is the very same demand today as it was in 1948 when "The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman, and child." This is not the descriptive characteristics of "refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors."

Out of the mouth of the Arab Palestinian is the demand that will ensure that the Arab-Israeli conflict is eternal.

Currently, the Arab Palestinians are attempting to retroactively apply concepts that would void the decisions made by the Allied Powers nearly a century ago, resulting in three-wars for substantiation of the decisions, and to war changing the POL-MIL situation a little bit more.

When the survival of the minority trait (Jewishness) is threatened with the explosive dismemberment of the trait within a given bur small geographic territory, then an explosive dismemberment of the trait might destroy or destabilize the entire region in the twin aspects of POL-MIL and Economic conditions.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
RE: Israel's Independence Day!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You seem to forget that the Mandates never annexed any territory. The land was ceded directly to the Palestinians and the people of the other new states.
(COMMENT)

This is 100% → absolutely 100% a false and misleading statement.

The territory was surrendered by the Ottoman Empire in the Armistice of Mudros (Article 16) and passed to the Allied Powers in Article 16 of the Treaty of Lausanne.

Nowhere will you find a Treaty between either the → Ottoman Empire and the Arab Palestinians → or the Turkish Republic and the Arab Palestinians → wherein the "land was ceded directly to the Palestinians and the people." In fact, relative to the tract of land designated "Palestine" (within Area "B" of the Syke-Picot Agreement) by the Order in Council, NO NEW States were established until in the UK-TransJordan Treaty 1946.

Most Respectfully,
R
What I said was true.
--------------
Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”

-------------------------
I don't see any middle men or monkey motions here. The land was directly transferred to the new states.
-------------------------
In a broader international context, the “Nationality law… showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship.”90 The inclusion of Palestinian nationality in the text of the Palestine Mandate was the first step towards an international recognition of the Palestinian people as distinct from the Ottoman people and other peoples. Palestinian nationality, like any other nationality, constitutes the formula by which a certain group of individuals are being legally connected and enabled to form the people element of the state.91

As usual your legal interpretation is ridiculous but ...

If you would just apply this to the Jewish Palestinian people... we'd be done.
 
Israel used terrorism and murdered many innocent people because they wanted a country of their own.

And now they hate the Palestinians because it is like looking in the mirror.

There's a big difference between insurgency to fight for independence and sending Your kids in hope they die - just for the sake of continuing the conflict and a sick idea of honor in murdering Jews.
If Arabs wanted an independent country they could joint the Jews in the fight against the Brits.
However while Jews fought to get rid of occupation, Arabs chose to fight to get rid of the Jews.

The results are showing.

Two groups of people doing exactly the same thing. Your the one that has a need to paint one side that murdered to get what they want as noble and the other side as hideous.
Arabs themselves said they got the ideas for what they do from how the Israelis got their independence. You fight the oppresor.

I'd like to see Israel have it's own country and the Palestinians have their own country. Israelis seem to think they are the 'entitled' group of people and everyone else can suck it. So the get what they get.
 

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