Israeli and U.S. Groups sued for $34.5 Billion For Funding Settlements

[Phoenall]

Penelope, et al,

Oh Please...

Maybe Israel should have colonized a different country.

The Jewish people were not colonizing a place because they thought they would be welcome there or because there was lots of empty space. The Jewish people were not colonizing at all. The Jewish people were returning to a homeland from which they were forcibly removed -- a homeland of great physical and emotional connection. A homeland from which we grew and became established and created a history.

Why is the Jewish attachment to our homeland so much LESS of significance than the Palestinian attachment to their home?

If your response is the solution to the conflict -- why don't we just remove all the Palestinians to their own territory -- suggestions have so far included the US generally, Wisconsin specifically, Uganda, Madagascar and I believe Western Australia. Which would the Palestinians like to have?

Let the Saudis or Syrians or Jordanians or Somalians deal with them.

No point in inflicting 4-5 million Arab losers on any part of modern Christendom.

Rather than penalizing NPOs for funding Israeli settlements...

Why don't we encourage NPOs to fund a resettlement of the dumb-ass Palestinians, in some other part of the Muslim world?

Let the Arabs deal with their own mad dogs.

Palestinians were there first, haven't you heard, the Irgun and Lehi groups were known as terrorist by the US, Britain, UN, and even get this the Zionist Organization.

(OBSERVATION and REFERENCE)

• The Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigade is named after the militant anti-Zionist opponent (of the same same) of in 1920s and 1930s. Sheikh Izz ad-Din al Qassam was a Islamic Revivalist Missionary --- turned --- Radicalized Islamic Fundamentalist. Sheikh al-Qassam, was a known criminal associate of Hajj Amin al-Husseini, a former Ottoman Army Officer --- turned ---cleric and later appointed as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. After the 1929 Riots in Jerusalem, Sheikh al-Qassam founded the Palestinian Black Hand; a Jihadist Group responsible for the terrorist campaign between the 1929 Riots and the 1939 Arab Revolt.

• The Lehi Group (AKA Stern Gang) was a splinter group that formed out of the Irgun in 1940 (stood down and was demilitarized in December 1948). The Irgun (AKA: Etzel) was a Revisionist splinter group formed in 1931 out of the Haganah. The Irgun was reintegrated and assimilated into the Haganah in May 1948, which transitioned into the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) on Independence Day. In October 1945 the Jewish Agency attempted to re-organized the Haganah, Irgun and Lehi into a consolidated paramilitary command known as the Jewish Resistance Movement (JRM). The JRM was short lived as a central force with a unified command.

(COMMENT)

I am, and most people are, aware that the Irgun and the Lehi were considered extremist groups that carried out acts of sabotage and terrorism against the British Civil Authorities and Military Activities. As we also know, both sides (Jewish and Arab), until 1948, were known to engage in such nefarious activities. Yet, Israel eventually evolved out of that character, as did the Egyptians, Jordanians, and Lebanese. But the Arab-Palestinians did not. And it is not expected that they will anytime soon. The legacy of Izz ad-Din al- Qassam lives on in the Military Wing of HAMAS, and honored in the locally made rocket it fires. The legacy lives on every time the Palestinians kidnap and murder the unarmed,
attack place civilians objects of no military value, hijack ships and planes, ambush buses of the aged tourists and school children .... Arab-Palestinians are known for their seven decades of all horrendous and abhorrent act of a dishonorable nature. These Arab attacks target the young and the infirm, as well as the old and disabled; those that can't defend themselves. They are much too ashamed to engage the IDF mano-a-mano.

"The first Arab riots of the Mandate period took place in Jerusalem in the intermediary days of Passover, in March 1920 (“Bloody Passover”). They were instigated by Arabs acting on unfounded rumors of Jewish actions against Arabs. The British military authorities did not intervene in the Arab attacks, while Vladimir Jabotinsky and other Jews were arrested for organizing a self-defense league. In April 1920, Joseph Trumpeldorand others were killed in the defense of Tel Hai, a settlement in the Upper Galilee. These developments led to the founding of the Haganah on June 15, 1920."
SOURCE: Palestine Facts
​

Most Respectfully,
R

• The Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigade is named after the militant anti-Zionist opponent (of the same same) of in 1920s and 1930s. Sheikh Izz ad-Din al Qassam was a Islamic Revivalist Missionary --- turned --- Radicalized Islamic Fundamentalist.

• The Lehi Group (AKA Stern Gang) was a splinter group that formed out of the Irgun in 1940 (stood down and was demilitarized in December 1948). The Irgun (AKA: Etzel) was a Revisionist splinter group formed in 1931 out of the Haganah.​

Indeed, Britain sure made a mess of things. None of that would have happened without them.

It would have been much worse, and the arab muslims would have wiped out the Jews in a very short time. The blame lies with the arab's who should have been told in 1917 take it all or take nothing. Then when they still demanded more they should have lost their lands as being incapable of free determination and the next in line given a chance. The leaders would soon pull it together and stop being idiotic.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I would expect no other evaluation from a pro-Palestinian. But there are other ways of looking at and evaluating the Mandate.

But the Mandate flopped under its own stupidity, so what does it matter?

Mission failed.

(COMMENT)

Arab Nation - Certain Communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire (Able to Stand Alone):

• The implementation of the Mandate for Palestine which allowed exclusion of Transjordan from the provisions regarding Jewish settlement.
• The independence of Transjordan.

∆ Article 22(4), Covenant: Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone.

•∆• Article 1(1), Treaty of Alliance with Transjordan 1946 : His Majesty The King recognises Trans-Jordan as a fully independent State and His Highness The Amir as the sovereign thereof.
​

Establishment of the Jewish National Home:

• Independence of Israel:

∆ The Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.

•∆• At midnight on May 14, 1948, the Provisional Government of Israel proclaimed a new State of Israel.
•∆• UN General Assembly Resolution 273(III) admits Israel in the UN and recalls the November 29, 1947 and December 11, 1948 resolutions.
​

In the real world of politics and diplomacy, there are failed initiatives because one side (or another) is uncompromising; or that the expectations are too high given the nature of the dispute. In the case of the Arab Palestinian --- versus --- Israel, there are conditions that are non-negotiable.

At some point in time, the population of one side or the other will come to the conclusion that peace becomes an imperative. Israel will not make a compromise that lends itself to a result that the security of the Jewish State is compromised. This is partially based on the history that there is no reasonable criteria that the Israelis should otherwise trust the Arab-Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

What does all of that crap have to do with the fact that the Mandate flopped?

And resolution 181 flopped.

And the Zionist invasion of Palestine is a war in process. Well it is hard to call it a war. It has always been the military attack on Palestinian civilians.

the Mandate is till in force, what you call the mandate is the mansatory.

181 was designed to fail and it did, but it went the wrong way and the UN are left with a problem.

What country is Zionism again, as I cant find it on any map ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Neither the Mandate nor the Resolution "flopped" (as in "completely unsuccessful; fail totally").

​

What does all of that crap have to do with the fact that the Mandate flopped?

And resolution 181 flopped.

And the Zionist invasion of Palestine is a war in process. Well it is hard to call it a war. It has always been the military attack on Palestinian civilians.

(COMMENT)

You are one of those people (a large number of which describe Arab Palestinians) that, if you don't get what you think you are owed; a very common Palestinian Centric approach to the dispute, then the political initiate is a "flop" (as you put it). But that is consistent with the immature view that the Arab Palestinian have some special "right" that hands-over something on a "silver platter;" and in not getting it, they are a victim.

• As Posting #130 points out, the Mandate was not a "flop" (a total failure) because:

∆ The Arab State of Transjordan was carved-out and created; and having been granted sovereignty by HM's Government over ≈ 77% of the territory subject to the Mandate.
​

• As Posting #130 points out, of the remaining ≈ 23% Mandate, the UN General Assembly recommended a split: ≈ 56% to the Jewish State and ≈ 43% allocated to another Arab State (excluding Jerusalem).

∆ Jewish Agency accepted the recommendation on behalf or the Jewish People.
∆ The Arab Higher Committee (formed by the Arab League) rejected the recommendation. The Arab Palestinian insisted that they were entitled to ALL the remaining territory and the Jewish were not entitled to any.
​

While it is true that the Arab Palestinian did not get their demands met, the recommendation was made. Of the territory under which the Mandate applied, ≈ 88% was successfully transitioned into independent and sovereign states (both Arab and Jewish). The people covered by this 88% of the territory (Transjordan and Israel).

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.

The Arab Palestinian evaluate the Mandate and the subsequent Resolution 181(II) as a failure greedily demanded entire remainder, as if they had (in an erroneous belief that) received some title and right to the territory from the previous sovereign.

The Arab Palestinians are, at the macro level, blackmailers. For over six decades, they have held regional peace hostage for territorial gain and ransom payments. It is not the Arab Palestinians that are the victims of some perceived injustice, but the rest of the Regional States that have had to suffer parasitic monetary exsanguination over the decades, without any movement towards a peaceful solution.

IF there is a FLOP, it is the demonstrated inability of the Arab Palestinian people to make any meaningful progress in human development, or submit any substantive contribution regionally or globally; other than to advance the art of terrorism. They have yet to demonstrate that they can "stand alone" pursuant to the Article 22(4) criteria.

Most Respectfully,
R

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.​

There is no dispute. Israel sits in Palestine.

Britain's stupid Mandate flopped. They were to assist the Palestinians in creating an independent state. They failed. They put their tail between their legs and left Palestine in the mess they created.

The UN proposed a plan that was rejected ten years earlier and was rejected. They had two options. One followed international law and would have worked. The other one didn't and flopped. What were these clowns thinking?

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Neither the Mandate nor the Resolution "flopped" (as in "completely unsuccessful; fail totally").

​

What does all of that crap have to do with the fact that the Mandate flopped?

And resolution 181 flopped.

And the Zionist invasion of Palestine is a war in process. Well it is hard to call it a war. It has always been the military attack on Palestinian civilians.

(COMMENT)

You are one of those people (a large number of which describe Arab Palestinians) that, if you don't get what you think you are owed; a very common Palestinian Centric approach to the dispute, then the political initiate is a "flop" (as you put it). But that is consistent with the immature view that the Arab Palestinian have some special "right" that hands-over something on a "silver platter;" and in not getting it, they are a victim.

• As Posting #130 points out, the Mandate was not a "flop" (a total failure) because:

∆ The Arab State of Transjordan was carved-out and created; and having been granted sovereignty by HM's Government over ≈ 77% of the territory subject to the Mandate.
​

• As Posting #130 points out, of the remaining ≈ 23% Mandate, the UN General Assembly recommended a split: ≈ 56% to the Jewish State and ≈ 43% allocated to another Arab State (excluding Jerusalem).

∆ Jewish Agency accepted the recommendation on behalf or the Jewish People.
∆ The Arab Higher Committee (formed by the Arab League) rejected the recommendation. The Arab Palestinian insisted that they were entitled to ALL the remaining territory and the Jewish were not entitled to any.
​

While it is true that the Arab Palestinian did not get their demands met, the recommendation was made. Of the territory under which the Mandate applied, ≈ 88% was successfully transitioned into independent and sovereign states (both Arab and Jewish). The people covered by this 88% of the territory (Transjordan and Israel).

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.

The Arab Palestinian evaluate the Mandate and the subsequent Resolution 181(II) as a failure greedily demanded entire remainder, as if they had (in an erroneous belief that) received some title and right to the territory from the previous sovereign.

The Arab Palestinians are, at the macro level, blackmailers. For over six decades, they have held regional peace hostage for territorial gain and ransom payments. It is not the Arab Palestinians that are the victims of some perceived injustice, but the rest of the Regional States that have had to suffer parasitic monetary exsanguination over the decades, without any movement towards a peaceful solution.

IF there is a FLOP, it is the demonstrated inability of the Arab Palestinian people to make any meaningful progress in human development, or submit any substantive contribution regionally or globally; other than to advance the art of terrorism. They have yet to demonstrate that they can "stand alone" pursuant to the Article 22(4) criteria.

Most Respectfully,
R

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.​

There is no dispute. Israel sits in Palestine.

Britain's stupid Mandate flopped. They were to assist the Palestinians in creating an independent state. They failed. They put their tail between their legs and left Palestine in the mess they created.

The UN proposed a plan that was rejected ten years earlier and was rejected. They had two options. One followed international law and would have worked. The other one didn't and flopped. What were these clowns thinking?

Yours are the continued excuses for incompetence and ineptitude as a function of Arab'ism/islam'ism.. Why is Israel successful and Arabs-Moslems are not? Why are places and people in Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam, etc, successful when arabs-moslems are not? Ponder the above and see if you can connect the dots between an ancient theocratic code that promotes perpetual war vs. the ability of those not consumed by such to understand that cooperation for the greater good benefits all.

OR,

repeat after me: I blame the Jews.... and the Great Satan™

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Neither the Mandate nor the Resolution "flopped" (as in "completely unsuccessful; fail totally").

​

What does all of that crap have to do with the fact that the Mandate flopped?

And resolution 181 flopped.

And the Zionist invasion of Palestine is a war in process. Well it is hard to call it a war. It has always been the military attack on Palestinian civilians.

(COMMENT)

You are one of those people (a large number of which describe Arab Palestinians) that, if you don't get what you think you are owed; a very common Palestinian Centric approach to the dispute, then the political initiate is a "flop" (as you put it). But that is consistent with the immature view that the Arab Palestinian have some special "right" that hands-over something on a "silver platter;" and in not getting it, they are a victim.

• As Posting #130 points out, the Mandate was not a "flop" (a total failure) because:

∆ The Arab State of Transjordan was carved-out and created; and having been granted sovereignty by HM's Government over ≈ 77% of the territory subject to the Mandate.
​

• As Posting #130 points out, of the remaining ≈ 23% Mandate, the UN General Assembly recommended a split: ≈ 56% to the Jewish State and ≈ 43% allocated to another Arab State (excluding Jerusalem).

∆ Jewish Agency accepted the recommendation on behalf or the Jewish People.
∆ The Arab Higher Committee (formed by the Arab League) rejected the recommendation. The Arab Palestinian insisted that they were entitled to ALL the remaining territory and the Jewish were not entitled to any.
​

While it is true that the Arab Palestinian did not get their demands met, the recommendation was made. Of the territory under which the Mandate applied, ≈ 88% was successfully transitioned into independent and sovereign states (both Arab and Jewish). The people covered by this 88% of the territory (Transjordan and Israel).

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.

The Arab Palestinian evaluate the Mandate and the subsequent Resolution 181(II) as a failure greedily demanded entire remainder, as if they had (in an erroneous belief that) received some title and right to the territory from the previous sovereign.

The Arab Palestinians are, at the macro level, blackmailers. For over six decades, they have held regional peace hostage for territorial gain and ransom payments. It is not the Arab Palestinians that are the victims of some perceived injustice, but the rest of the Regional States that have had to suffer parasitic monetary exsanguination over the decades, without any movement towards a peaceful solution.

IF there is a FLOP, it is the demonstrated inability of the Arab Palestinian people to make any meaningful progress in human development, or submit any substantive contribution regionally or globally; other than to advance the art of terrorism. They have yet to demonstrate that they can "stand alone" pursuant to the Article 22(4) criteria.

Most Respectfully,
R

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.​

There is no dispute. Israel sits in Palestine.

Britain's stupid Mandate flopped. They were to assist the Palestinians in creating an independent state. They failed. They put their tail between their legs and left Palestine in the mess they created.

The UN proposed a plan that was rejected ten years earlier and was rejected. They had two options. One followed international law and would have worked. The other one didn't and flopped. What were these clowns thinking?

Yours are the continued excuses for incompetence and ineptitude as a function of Arab'ism/islam'ism.. Why is Israel successful and Arabs-Moslems are not? Why are places and people in Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam, etc, successful when arabs-moslems are not? Ponder the above and see if you can connect the dots between an ancient theocratic code that promotes perpetual war vs. the ability of those not consumed by such to understand that cooperation for the greater good benefits all.

OR,

repeat after me: I blame the Jews.... and the Great Satan™

Why is Israel successful​

Israel can mooch better than anyone else on the planet.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Neither the Mandate nor the Resolution "flopped" (as in "completely unsuccessful; fail totally").

​

What does all of that crap have to do with the fact that the Mandate flopped?

And resolution 181 flopped.

And the Zionist invasion of Palestine is a war in process. Well it is hard to call it a war. It has always been the military attack on Palestinian civilians.

(COMMENT)

You are one of those people (a large number of which describe Arab Palestinians) that, if you don't get what you think you are owed; a very common Palestinian Centric approach to the dispute, then the political initiate is a "flop" (as you put it). But that is consistent with the immature view that the Arab Palestinian have some special "right" that hands-over something on a "silver platter;" and in not getting it, they are a victim.

• As Posting #130 points out, the Mandate was not a "flop" (a total failure) because:

∆ The Arab State of Transjordan was carved-out and created; and having been granted sovereignty by HM's Government over ≈ 77% of the territory subject to the Mandate.
​

• As Posting #130 points out, of the remaining ≈ 23% Mandate, the UN General Assembly recommended a split: ≈ 56% to the Jewish State and ≈ 43% allocated to another Arab State (excluding Jerusalem).

∆ Jewish Agency accepted the recommendation on behalf or the Jewish People.
∆ The Arab Higher Committee (formed by the Arab League) rejected the recommendation. The Arab Palestinian insisted that they were entitled to ALL the remaining territory and the Jewish were not entitled to any.
​

While it is true that the Arab Palestinian did not get their demands met, the recommendation was made. Of the territory under which the Mandate applied, ≈ 88% was successfully transitioned into independent and sovereign states (both Arab and Jewish). The people covered by this 88% of the territory (Transjordan and Israel).

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.

The Arab Palestinian evaluate the Mandate and the subsequent Resolution 181(II) as a failure greedily demanded entire remainder, as if they had (in an erroneous belief that) received some title and right to the territory from the previous sovereign.

The Arab Palestinians are, at the macro level, blackmailers. For over six decades, they have held regional peace hostage for territorial gain and ransom payments. It is not the Arab Palestinians that are the victims of some perceived injustice, but the rest of the Regional States that have had to suffer parasitic monetary exsanguination over the decades, without any movement towards a peaceful solution.

IF there is a FLOP, it is the demonstrated inability of the Arab Palestinian people to make any meaningful progress in human development, or submit any substantive contribution regionally or globally; other than to advance the art of terrorism. They have yet to demonstrate that they can "stand alone" pursuant to the Article 22(4) criteria.

Most Respectfully,
R

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.​

There is no dispute. Israel sits in Palestine.

Britain's stupid Mandate flopped. They were to assist the Palestinians in creating an independent state. They failed. They put their tail between their legs and left Palestine in the mess they created.

The UN proposed a plan that was rejected ten years earlier and was rejected. They had two options. One followed international law and would have worked. The other one didn't and flopped. What were these clowns thinking?

Yours are the continued excuses for incompetence and ineptitude as a function of Arab'ism/islam'ism.. Why is Israel successful and Arabs-Moslems are not? Why are places and people in Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam, etc, successful when arabs-moslems are not? Ponder the above and see if you can connect the dots between an ancient theocratic code that promotes perpetual war vs. the ability of those not consumed by such to understand that cooperation for the greater good benefits all.

OR,

repeat after me: I blame the Jews.... and the Great Satan™

Why is Israel successful​

Israel can mooch better than anyone else on the planet.

I had no expectation that you could muster the courage to try and address my comments.

For as long as Arabs/Moslems refuse to address the conditions that cause their self-inflicted pratfalls and failures, they will continue to be a detriment to humanity.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Neither the Mandate nor the Resolution "flopped" (as in "completely unsuccessful; fail totally").

​

What does all of that crap have to do with the fact that the Mandate flopped?

And resolution 181 flopped.

And the Zionist invasion of Palestine is a war in process. Well it is hard to call it a war. It has always been the military attack on Palestinian civilians.

(COMMENT)

You are one of those people (a large number of which describe Arab Palestinians) that, if you don't get what you think you are owed; a very common Palestinian Centric approach to the dispute, then the political initiate is a "flop" (as you put it). But that is consistent with the immature view that the Arab Palestinian have some special "right" that hands-over something on a "silver platter;" and in not getting it, they are a victim.

• As Posting #130 points out, the Mandate was not a "flop" (a total failure) because:

∆ The Arab State of Transjordan was carved-out and created; and having been granted sovereignty by HM's Government over ≈ 77% of the territory subject to the Mandate.
​

• As Posting #130 points out, of the remaining ≈ 23% Mandate, the UN General Assembly recommended a split: ≈ 56% to the Jewish State and ≈ 43% allocated to another Arab State (excluding Jerusalem).

∆ Jewish Agency accepted the recommendation on behalf or the Jewish People.
∆ The Arab Higher Committee (formed by the Arab League) rejected the recommendation. The Arab Palestinian insisted that they were entitled to ALL the remaining territory and the Jewish were not entitled to any.
​

While it is true that the Arab Palestinian did not get their demands met, the recommendation was made. Of the territory under which the Mandate applied, ≈ 88% was successfully transitioned into independent and sovereign states (both Arab and Jewish). The people covered by this 88% of the territory (Transjordan and Israel).

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.

The Arab Palestinian evaluate the Mandate and the subsequent Resolution 181(II) as a failure greedily demanded entire remainder, as if they had (in an erroneous belief that) received some title and right to the territory from the previous sovereign.

The Arab Palestinians are, at the macro level, blackmailers. For over six decades, they have held regional peace hostage for territorial gain and ransom payments. It is not the Arab Palestinians that are the victims of some perceived injustice, but the rest of the Regional States that have had to suffer parasitic monetary exsanguination over the decades, without any movement towards a peaceful solution.

IF there is a FLOP, it is the demonstrated inability of the Arab Palestinian people to make any meaningful progress in human development, or submit any substantive contribution regionally or globally; other than to advance the art of terrorism. They have yet to demonstrate that they can "stand alone" pursuant to the Article 22(4) criteria.

Most Respectfully,
R

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.​

There is no dispute. Israel sits in Palestine.

Britain's stupid Mandate flopped. They were to assist the Palestinians in creating an independent state. They failed. They put their tail between their legs and left Palestine in the mess they created.

The UN proposed a plan that was rejected ten years earlier and was rejected. They had two options. One followed international law and would have worked. The other one didn't and flopped. What were these clowns thinking?

"Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life"

So why all the fuss with citing UN opinions and alleged claims to Islamic waqfs as an excuse for Islamic terrorism?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Neither the Mandate nor the Resolution "flopped" (as in "completely unsuccessful; fail totally").

​

What does all of that crap have to do with the fact that the Mandate flopped?

And resolution 181 flopped.

And the Zionist invasion of Palestine is a war in process. Well it is hard to call it a war. It has always been the military attack on Palestinian civilians.

(COMMENT)

You are one of those people (a large number of which describe Arab Palestinians) that, if you don't get what you think you are owed; a very common Palestinian Centric approach to the dispute, then the political initiate is a "flop" (as you put it). But that is consistent with the immature view that the Arab Palestinian have some special "right" that hands-over something on a "silver platter;" and in not getting it, they are a victim.

• As Posting #130 points out, the Mandate was not a "flop" (a total failure) because:

∆ The Arab State of Transjordan was carved-out and created; and having been granted sovereignty by HM's Government over ≈ 77% of the territory subject to the Mandate.
​

• As Posting #130 points out, of the remaining ≈ 23% Mandate, the UN General Assembly recommended a split: ≈ 56% to the Jewish State and ≈ 43% allocated to another Arab State (excluding Jerusalem).

∆ Jewish Agency accepted the recommendation on behalf or the Jewish People.
∆ The Arab Higher Committee (formed by the Arab League) rejected the recommendation. The Arab Palestinian insisted that they were entitled to ALL the remaining territory and the Jewish were not entitled to any.
​

While it is true that the Arab Palestinian did not get their demands met, the recommendation was made. Of the territory under which the Mandate applied, ≈ 88% was successfully transitioned into independent and sovereign states (both Arab and Jewish). The people covered by this 88% of the territory (Transjordan and Israel).

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.

The Arab Palestinian evaluate the Mandate and the subsequent Resolution 181(II) as a failure greedily demanded entire remainder, as if they had (in an erroneous belief that) received some title and right to the territory from the previous sovereign.

The Arab Palestinians are, at the macro level, blackmailers. For over six decades, they have held regional peace hostage for territorial gain and ransom payments. It is not the Arab Palestinians that are the victims of some perceived injustice, but the rest of the Regional States that have had to suffer parasitic monetary exsanguination over the decades, without any movement towards a peaceful solution.

IF there is a FLOP, it is the demonstrated inability of the Arab Palestinian people to make any meaningful progress in human development, or submit any substantive contribution regionally or globally; other than to advance the art of terrorism. They have yet to demonstrate that they can "stand alone" pursuant to the Article 22(4) criteria.

Most Respectfully,
R

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.​

There is no dispute. Israel sits in Palestine.

Britain's stupid Mandate flopped. They were to assist the Palestinians in creating an independent state. They failed. They put their tail between their legs and left Palestine in the mess they created.

The UN proposed a plan that was rejected ten years earlier and was rejected. They had two options. One followed international law and would have worked. The other one didn't and flopped. What were these clowns thinking?

They were to assist the Palestinians in creating an independent state. They failed.

Yes, the "Palestinians" failed. It's what they do best.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well you almost have it right.

There is no dispute. Israel sits in Palestine.

Britain's stupid Mandate flopped. They were to assist the Palestinians in creating an independent state. They failed. They put their tail between their legs and left Palestine in the mess they created.

The UN proposed a plan that was rejected ten years earlier and was rejected. They had two options. One followed international law and would have worked. The other one didn't and flopped. What were these clowns thinking?

(COMMENT)

Israel sits on a portion of the territory formerly under the Mandate of Palestine. (The short title of "Palestine" comes from the Palestine Order in Council, Paragraph 1.)

Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, was formerly the Sovereign Territory of the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic. The Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic renounced all rights and title to several territories situated outside the frontiers of present day Turkey; to include the sovereignty determined by the Allied Powers as "Palestine."

Attempting to humiliate HM's Government and criticize them for the poor performance of the Mandate, does not change a thing. The Mandate was created in concert at the San Remo Convention of 1920; it was NOT "Britain's stupid Mandate." The proximate cause of some key aspect failures of the Mandate were as a result of the belligerence demonstrated by the Arab Palestinians and the external interference of the Arab League through their manipulation of the Arab Higher Committee.

Again, the recommendation adopted by the General Assembly was the tool to work with in proposed plan. Whether we look at the Peel Commission or the Woodhead Commission, the Arab Palestine was adimately opposed to an independent Jewish National Home. The Arabs Palestinians were demanding a total Arabization or the Palestine, as determined by the Allied Powers; and demanded that the UK award the territory that the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic renounced all rights and title to the Allied Powers. The British Government opted to retain full executive, legislative, and judicial control over Palestine’s administration. This would be central to the establishing the proposed Legislative Council (to be composed of Arabs, Jews, and British officials). The Mandatory had not intention to allow the number of Arab representatives to be such that they could overrule either British or British-Jewish interests. This was somewhat a new kind of rule in an Arab Middle East where self determination of inhabitants was not practiced. No matter what type of inclusion was offered to a representative or participatory nature of the Palestine Administration, the Arab Palestinians and the Arab Higher Committee rejected or declined. It should be noted that "in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government." --- "The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people." This was the "all or nothing" attitude the Arab Palestinians held then, and largely hold today.

The Arab Palestinians were the sculptors of the the outcome the region contends with today. The Arabs have absolutely no room to talk or criticize the subsequent outcomes and the current state of affairs.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Neither the Mandate nor the Resolution "flopped" (as in "completely unsuccessful; fail totally").

​

What does all of that crap have to do with the fact that the Mandate flopped?

And resolution 181 flopped.

And the Zionist invasion of Palestine is a war in process. Well it is hard to call it a war. It has always been the military attack on Palestinian civilians.

(COMMENT)

You are one of those people (a large number of which describe Arab Palestinians) that, if you don't get what you think you are owed; a very common Palestinian Centric approach to the dispute, then the political initiate is a "flop" (as you put it). But that is consistent with the immature view that the Arab Palestinian have some special "right" that hands-over something on a "silver platter;" and in not getting it, they are a victim.

• As Posting #130 points out, the Mandate was not a "flop" (a total failure) because:

∆ The Arab State of Transjordan was carved-out and created; and having been granted sovereignty by HM's Government over ≈ 77% of the territory subject to the Mandate.
​

• As Posting #130 points out, of the remaining ≈ 23% Mandate, the UN General Assembly recommended a split: ≈ 56% to the Jewish State and ≈ 43% allocated to another Arab State (excluding Jerusalem).

∆ Jewish Agency accepted the recommendation on behalf or the Jewish People.
∆ The Arab Higher Committee (formed by the Arab League) rejected the recommendation. The Arab Palestinian insisted that they were entitled to ALL the remaining territory and the Jewish were not entitled to any.
​

While it is true that the Arab Palestinian did not get their demands met, the recommendation was made. Of the territory under which the Mandate applied, ≈ 88% was successfully transitioned into independent and sovereign states (both Arab and Jewish). The people covered by this 88% of the territory (Transjordan and Israel).

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.

The Arab Palestinian evaluate the Mandate and the subsequent Resolution 181(II) as a failure greedily demanded entire remainder, as if they had (in an erroneous belief that) received some title and right to the territory from the previous sovereign.

The Arab Palestinians are, at the macro level, blackmailers. For over six decades, they have held regional peace hostage for territorial gain and ransom payments. It is not the Arab Palestinians that are the victims of some perceived injustice, but the rest of the Regional States that have had to suffer parasitic monetary exsanguination over the decades, without any movement towards a peaceful solution.

IF there is a FLOP, it is the demonstrated inability of the Arab Palestinian people to make any meaningful progress in human development, or submit any substantive contribution regionally or globally; other than to advance the art of terrorism. They have yet to demonstrate that they can "stand alone" pursuant to the Article 22(4) criteria.

Most Respectfully,
R

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.​

There is no dispute. Israel sits in Palestine.

Britain's stupid Mandate flopped. They were to assist the Palestinians in creating an independent state. They failed. They put their tail between their legs and left Palestine in the mess they created.

The UN proposed a plan that was rejected ten years earlier and was rejected. They had two options. One followed international law and would have worked. The other one didn't and flopped. What were these clowns thinking?

Yes the area of land named that by the Romans, and is part of the land covered by the mandate of Palestine. It was never a nation ruled over by arab muslims.
Not Britain's mandate at all they were the mandatory, two distinct and separate things. And if it did fail then why is Jordan doing so well, they were part of the British mandatory. They left Palestine because the arab muslims were unable to live in peace with anyone, and they should have been shown in 1917 what they would face if they tried their aggression. A few changes of rulers in the mandates would have soon had the arab muslims at heel like beaten dogs.

What are you rambling on about now the UN was not in existence in 1938, so how could it propose a plan that followed international law. And for clarity what international law are you on about and when was it enacted ?


IN REALITY THE BLAME FOR THE FLOP IS FIRMLY ROOTED IN THE INABILITY OF THE PALESTINIANS TO LIVE IN THE 21C, THEY STRUGGLE TO GET OUT OF THE 7C SOME DAYS

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Neither the Mandate nor the Resolution "flopped" (as in "completely unsuccessful; fail totally").

​

What does all of that crap have to do with the fact that the Mandate flopped?

And resolution 181 flopped.

And the Zionist invasion of Palestine is a war in process. Well it is hard to call it a war. It has always been the military attack on Palestinian civilians.

(COMMENT)

You are one of those people (a large number of which describe Arab Palestinians) that, if you don't get what you think you are owed; a very common Palestinian Centric approach to the dispute, then the political initiate is a "flop" (as you put it). But that is consistent with the immature view that the Arab Palestinian have some special "right" that hands-over something on a "silver platter;" and in not getting it, they are a victim.

• As Posting #130 points out, the Mandate was not a "flop" (a total failure) because:

∆ The Arab State of Transjordan was carved-out and created; and having been granted sovereignty by HM's Government over ≈ 77% of the territory subject to the Mandate.
​

• As Posting #130 points out, of the remaining ≈ 23% Mandate, the UN General Assembly recommended a split: ≈ 56% to the Jewish State and ≈ 43% allocated to another Arab State (excluding Jerusalem).

∆ Jewish Agency accepted the recommendation on behalf or the Jewish People.
∆ The Arab Higher Committee (formed by the Arab League) rejected the recommendation. The Arab Palestinian insisted that they were entitled to ALL the remaining territory and the Jewish were not entitled to any.
​

While it is true that the Arab Palestinian did not get their demands met, the recommendation was made. Of the territory under which the Mandate applied, ≈ 88% was successfully transitioned into independent and sovereign states (both Arab and Jewish). The people covered by this 88% of the territory (Transjordan and Israel).

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.

The Arab Palestinian evaluate the Mandate and the subsequent Resolution 181(II) as a failure greedily demanded entire remainder, as if they had (in an erroneous belief that) received some title and right to the territory from the previous sovereign.

The Arab Palestinians are, at the macro level, blackmailers. For over six decades, they have held regional peace hostage for territorial gain and ransom payments. It is not the Arab Palestinians that are the victims of some perceived injustice, but the rest of the Regional States that have had to suffer parasitic monetary exsanguination over the decades, without any movement towards a peaceful solution.

IF there is a FLOP, it is the demonstrated inability of the Arab Palestinian people to make any meaningful progress in human development, or submit any substantive contribution regionally or globally; other than to advance the art of terrorism. They have yet to demonstrate that they can "stand alone" pursuant to the Article 22(4) criteria.

Most Respectfully,
R

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.​

There is no dispute. Israel sits in Palestine.

Britain's stupid Mandate flopped. They were to assist the Palestinians in creating an independent state. They failed. They put their tail between their legs and left Palestine in the mess they created.

The UN proposed a plan that was rejected ten years earlier and was rejected. They had two options. One followed international law and would have worked. The other one didn't and flopped. What were these clowns thinking?

Yours are the continued excuses for incompetence and ineptitude as a function of Arab'ism/islam'ism.. Why is Israel successful and Arabs-Moslems are not? Why are places and people in Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam, etc, successful when arabs-moslems are not? Ponder the above and see if you can connect the dots between an ancient theocratic code that promotes perpetual war vs. the ability of those not consumed by such to understand that cooperation for the greater good benefits all.

OR,

repeat after me: I blame the Jews.... and the Great Satan™

Why is Israel successful​

Israel can mooch better than anyone else on the planet.

That is your mantra to everything that you cant twist round to make it look like someone else is to blame other than the Palestinians.

The fact is the Jews get to the top of their professions by being the best. They are the best Jewellers, the best Bankers, the best agents, the best entertainers, the best politicians, the best scientists and the best doctors. How many Jewish doctors do we see that are lauded for their life saving breakthroughs, how many Jewish scientists are Nobel prize winners, how many entertainers are in the hall of fame, how many Jewish jewellers are world renowned for their works.
You cant get those accolades by mooching, you get them by being the best. So why don't we see millions of muslims being better than the rest of the world in anything other than terrorism, mass murder, violence and destruction.

As for mooching just look to the Palestinians who are the worlds biggest moochers to the sum of $10billion a year from whoever they can get the jizya and zakat taxes from. As the 85% of uneconomical muslims in the UK say they get or will get Jizya seekers allowance

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Neither the Mandate nor the Resolution "flopped" (as in "completely unsuccessful; fail totally").

​

What does all of that crap have to do with the fact that the Mandate flopped?

And resolution 181 flopped.

And the Zionist invasion of Palestine is a war in process. Well it is hard to call it a war. It has always been the military attack on Palestinian civilians.

(COMMENT)

You are one of those people (a large number of which describe Arab Palestinians) that, if you don't get what you think you are owed; a very common Palestinian Centric approach to the dispute, then the political initiate is a "flop" (as you put it). But that is consistent with the immature view that the Arab Palestinian have some special "right" that hands-over something on a "silver platter;" and in not getting it, they are a victim.

• As Posting #130 points out, the Mandate was not a "flop" (a total failure) because:

∆ The Arab State of Transjordan was carved-out and created; and having been granted sovereignty by HM's Government over ≈ 77% of the territory subject to the Mandate.
​

• As Posting #130 points out, of the remaining ≈ 23% Mandate, the UN General Assembly recommended a split: ≈ 56% to the Jewish State and ≈ 43% allocated to another Arab State (excluding Jerusalem).

∆ Jewish Agency accepted the recommendation on behalf or the Jewish People.
∆ The Arab Higher Committee (formed by the Arab League) rejected the recommendation. The Arab Palestinian insisted that they were entitled to ALL the remaining territory and the Jewish were not entitled to any.
​

While it is true that the Arab Palestinian did not get their demands met, the recommendation was made. Of the territory under which the Mandate applied, ≈ 88% was successfully transitioned into independent and sovereign states (both Arab and Jewish). The people covered by this 88% of the territory (Transjordan and Israel).

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.

The Arab Palestinian evaluate the Mandate and the subsequent Resolution 181(II) as a failure greedily demanded entire remainder, as if they had (in an erroneous belief that) received some title and right to the territory from the previous sovereign.

The Arab Palestinians are, at the macro level, blackmailers. For over six decades, they have held regional peace hostage for territorial gain and ransom payments. It is not the Arab Palestinians that are the victims of some perceived injustice, but the rest of the Regional States that have had to suffer parasitic monetary exsanguination over the decades, without any movement towards a peaceful solution.

IF there is a FLOP, it is the demonstrated inability of the Arab Palestinian people to make any meaningful progress in human development, or submit any substantive contribution regionally or globally; other than to advance the art of terrorism. They have yet to demonstrate that they can "stand alone" pursuant to the Article 22(4) criteria.

Most Respectfully,
R

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.​

There is no dispute. Israel sits in Palestine.

Britain's stupid Mandate flopped. They were to assist the Palestinians in creating an independent state. They failed. They put their tail between their legs and left Palestine in the mess they created.

The UN proposed a plan that was rejected ten years earlier and was rejected. They had two options. One followed international law and would have worked. The other one didn't and flopped. What were these clowns thinking?

They were to assist the Palestinians in creating an independent state. They failed.

Yes, the "Palestinians" failed. It's what they do best.

The true Palestinians succeeded and created Israel, the thieves and pariah's failed and we call them Palestinians

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Neither the Mandate nor the Resolution "flopped" (as in "completely unsuccessful; fail totally").

​

What does all of that crap have to do with the fact that the Mandate flopped?

And resolution 181 flopped.

And the Zionist invasion of Palestine is a war in process. Well it is hard to call it a war. It has always been the military attack on Palestinian civilians.

(COMMENT)

You are one of those people (a large number of which describe Arab Palestinians) that, if you don't get what you think you are owed; a very common Palestinian Centric approach to the dispute, then the political initiate is a "flop" (as you put it). But that is consistent with the immature view that the Arab Palestinian have some special "right" that hands-over something on a "silver platter;" and in not getting it, they are a victim.

• As Posting #130 points out, the Mandate was not a "flop" (a total failure) because:

∆ The Arab State of Transjordan was carved-out and created; and having been granted sovereignty by HM's Government over ≈ 77% of the territory subject to the Mandate.
​

• As Posting #130 points out, of the remaining ≈ 23% Mandate, the UN General Assembly recommended a split: ≈ 56% to the Jewish State and ≈ 43% allocated to another Arab State (excluding Jerusalem).

∆ Jewish Agency accepted the recommendation on behalf or the Jewish People.
∆ The Arab Higher Committee (formed by the Arab League) rejected the recommendation. The Arab Palestinian insisted that they were entitled to ALL the remaining territory and the Jewish were not entitled to any.
​

While it is true that the Arab Palestinian did not get their demands met, the recommendation was made. Of the territory under which the Mandate applied, ≈ 88% was successfully transitioned into independent and sovereign states (both Arab and Jewish). The people covered by this 88% of the territory (Transjordan and Israel).

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.

The Arab Palestinian evaluate the Mandate and the subsequent Resolution 181(II) as a failure greedily demanded entire remainder, as if they had (in an erroneous belief that) received some title and right to the territory from the previous sovereign.

The Arab Palestinians are, at the macro level, blackmailers. For over six decades, they have held regional peace hostage for territorial gain and ransom payments. It is not the Arab Palestinians that are the victims of some perceived injustice, but the rest of the Regional States that have had to suffer parasitic monetary exsanguination over the decades, without any movement towards a peaceful solution.

IF there is a FLOP, it is the demonstrated inability of the Arab Palestinian people to make any meaningful progress in human development, or submit any substantive contribution regionally or globally; other than to advance the art of terrorism. They have yet to demonstrate that they can "stand alone" pursuant to the Article 22(4) criteria.

Most Respectfully,
R

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.​

There is no dispute. Israel sits in Palestine.

Britain's stupid Mandate flopped. They were to assist the Palestinians in creating an independent state. They failed. They put their tail between their legs and left Palestine in the mess they created.

The UN proposed a plan that was rejected ten years earlier and was rejected. They had two options. One followed international law and would have worked. The other one didn't and flopped. What were these clowns thinking?

Yours are the continued excuses for incompetence and ineptitude as a function of Arab'ism/islam'ism.. Why is Israel successful and Arabs-Moslems are not? Why are places and people in Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam, etc, successful when arabs-moslems are not? Ponder the above and see if you can connect the dots between an ancient theocratic code that promotes perpetual war vs. the ability of those not consumed by such to understand that cooperation for the greater good benefits all.

OR,

repeat after me: I blame the Jews.... and the Great Satan™

Why is Israel successful​

Israel can mooch better than anyone else on the planet.

That is your mantra to everything that you cant twist round to make it look like someone else is to blame other than the Palestinians.

The fact is the Jews get to the top of their professions by being the best. They are the best Jewellers, the best Bankers, the best agents, the best entertainers, the best politicians, the best scientists and the best doctors. How many Jewish doctors do we see that are lauded for their life saving breakthroughs, how many Jewish scientists are Nobel prize winners, how many entertainers are in the hall of fame, how many Jewish jewellers are world renowned for their works.
You cant get those accolades by mooching, you get them by being the best. So why don't we see millions of muslims being better than the rest of the world in anything other than terrorism, mass murder, violence and destruction.

As for mooching just look to the Palestinians who are the worlds biggest moochers to the sum of $10billion a year from whoever they can get the jizya and zakat taxes from. As the 85% of uneconomical muslims in the UK say they get or will get Jizya seekers allowance

That does not refute my post. Israel could not exist without OPM.

 

[Weatherman2020]

It's the first time I know that US law allow american citizens to donate to the occupying israeli military (the only military on earth)! amazing!

Israeli and U.S. Groups sued for $34.5 Billion for funding construction of Israeli settlements

Tuesday March 08, 2016 12:24

by Celine Hagbard - IMEMC News

A group of Palestinians and Palestinian-Americans who have been victims of Israeli settlement construction filed a lawsuit this week to demand financial compensation from some of the companies, individuals and organizations responsible for funding the construction.


Israeli settlement construction takes place on illegally seized Palestinian land, and is considered a flagrant violation of international law and Israel's responsibilities under the Fourth Geneva Convention as an occupying power.

The U.S. Government has also condemned Israeli settlement construction – although a bill being considered by the U.S. Congress right now would make it illegal to boycott Israeli products that come from these illegal settlements.

In fact, U.S. Law currently allows U.S. Citizens to donate to the Israeli military directly – the only military on earth that U.S. Citizens are allowed to directly donate to. In addition, U.S. Citizens and groups are permitted to give tax-deductible donations to Israeli settlement construction project – despite the fact that doing so directly violates U.S. Stated policy.

Yep, ethnic cleansing is a top priority for the Jew haters.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Neither the Mandate nor the Resolution "flopped" (as in "completely unsuccessful; fail totally").

(COMMENT)

You are one of those people (a large number of which describe Arab Palestinians) that, if you don't get what you think you are owed; a very common Palestinian Centric approach to the dispute, then the political initiate is a "flop" (as you put it). But that is consistent with the immature view that the Arab Palestinian have some special "right" that hands-over something on a "silver platter;" and in not getting it, they are a victim.

• As Posting #130 points out, the Mandate was not a "flop" (a total failure) because:

∆ The Arab State of Transjordan was carved-out and created; and having been granted sovereignty by HM's Government over ≈ 77% of the territory subject to the Mandate.
​

• As Posting #130 points out, of the remaining ≈ 23% Mandate, the UN General Assembly recommended a split: ≈ 56% to the Jewish State and ≈ 43% allocated to another Arab State (excluding Jerusalem).

∆ Jewish Agency accepted the recommendation on behalf or the Jewish People.
∆ The Arab Higher Committee (formed by the Arab League) rejected the recommendation. The Arab Palestinian insisted that they were entitled to ALL the remaining territory and the Jewish were not entitled to any.
​

While it is true that the Arab Palestinian did not get their demands met, the recommendation was made. Of the territory under which the Mandate applied, ≈ 88% was successfully transitioned into independent and sovereign states (both Arab and Jewish). The people covered by this 88% of the territory (Transjordan and Israel).

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.

The Arab Palestinian evaluate the Mandate and the subsequent Resolution 181(II) as a failure greedily demanded entire remainder, as if they had (in an erroneous belief that) received some title and right to the territory from the previous sovereign.

The Arab Palestinians are, at the macro level, blackmailers. For over six decades, they have held regional peace hostage for territorial gain and ransom payments. It is not the Arab Palestinians that are the victims of some perceived injustice, but the rest of the Regional States that have had to suffer parasitic monetary exsanguination over the decades, without any movement towards a peaceful solution.

IF there is a FLOP, it is the demonstrated inability of the Arab Palestinian people to make any meaningful progress in human development, or submit any substantive contribution regionally or globally; other than to advance the art of terrorism. They have yet to demonstrate that they can "stand alone" pursuant to the Article 22(4) criteria.

Most Respectfully,
R

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.​

There is no dispute. Israel sits in Palestine.

Britain's stupid Mandate flopped. They were to assist the Palestinians in creating an independent state. They failed. They put their tail between their legs and left Palestine in the mess they created.

The UN proposed a plan that was rejected ten years earlier and was rejected. They had two options. One followed international law and would have worked. The other one didn't and flopped. What were these clowns thinking?

Yours are the continued excuses for incompetence and ineptitude as a function of Arab'ism/islam'ism.. Why is Israel successful and Arabs-Moslems are not? Why are places and people in Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam, etc, successful when arabs-moslems are not? Ponder the above and see if you can connect the dots between an ancient theocratic code that promotes perpetual war vs. the ability of those not consumed by such to understand that cooperation for the greater good benefits all.

OR,

repeat after me: I blame the Jews.... and the Great Satan™

Why is Israel successful​

Israel can mooch better than anyone else on the planet.

That is your mantra to everything that you cant twist round to make it look like someone else is to blame other than the Palestinians.

The fact is the Jews get to the top of their professions by being the best. They are the best Jewellers, the best Bankers, the best agents, the best entertainers, the best politicians, the best scientists and the best doctors. How many Jewish doctors do we see that are lauded for their life saving breakthroughs, how many Jewish scientists are Nobel prize winners, how many entertainers are in the hall of fame, how many Jewish jewellers are world renowned for their works.
You cant get those accolades by mooching, you get them by being the best. So why don't we see millions of muslims being better than the rest of the world in anything other than terrorism, mass murder, violence and destruction.

As for mooching just look to the Palestinians who are the worlds biggest moochers to the sum of $10billion a year from whoever they can get the jizya and zakat taxes from. As the 85% of uneconomical muslims in the UK say they get or will get Jizya seekers allowance

That does not refute my post. Israel could not exist without OPM.

I'm afraid you simply don't know the facts. The Israeli economy produces goods and services.

Israel Economy Facts & Stats

Choose ignorance if that makes you feel better about yourself.

 

[Boston1]

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.​

There is no dispute. Israel sits in Palestine.

Britain's stupid Mandate flopped. They were to assist the Palestinians in creating an independent state. They failed. They put their tail between their legs and left Palestine in the mess they created.

The UN proposed a plan that was rejected ten years earlier and was rejected. They had two options. One followed international law and would have worked. The other one didn't and flopped. What were these clowns thinking?

Yours are the continued excuses for incompetence and ineptitude as a function of Arab'ism/islam'ism.. Why is Israel successful and Arabs-Moslems are not? Why are places and people in Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam, etc, successful when arabs-moslems are not? Ponder the above and see if you can connect the dots between an ancient theocratic code that promotes perpetual war vs. the ability of those not consumed by such to understand that cooperation for the greater good benefits all.

OR,

repeat after me: I blame the Jews.... and the Great Satan™

Why is Israel successful​

Israel can mooch better than anyone else on the planet.

That is your mantra to everything that you cant twist round to make it look like someone else is to blame other than the Palestinians.

The fact is the Jews get to the top of their professions by being the best. They are the best Jewellers, the best Bankers, the best agents, the best entertainers, the best politicians, the best scientists and the best doctors. How many Jewish doctors do we see that are lauded for their life saving breakthroughs, how many Jewish scientists are Nobel prize winners, how many entertainers are in the hall of fame, how many Jewish jewellers are world renowned for their works.
You cant get those accolades by mooching, you get them by being the best. So why don't we see millions of muslims being better than the rest of the world in anything other than terrorism, mass murder, violence and destruction.

As for mooching just look to the Palestinians who are the worlds biggest moochers to the sum of $10billion a year from whoever they can get the jizya and zakat taxes from. As the 85% of uneconomical muslims in the UK say they get or will get Jizya seekers allowance

That does not refute my post. Israel could not exist without OPM.

I'm afraid you simply don't know the facts. The Israeli economy produces goods and services.

Israel Economy Facts & Stats

Choose ignorance if that makes you feel better about yourself.

Across the board this little terrorist support group choses ignorance every time.

Its amazing how much of their narrative depends on half truths or outright lies.

For instance, suing someone for doing something thats perfectly legal. Last paragraph of the OP clearly states that its entirely legal to donate to Judiac rebuilding in Israel. It also shows an illegal structure being destroyed, just like any other illegally built structure in this country would be destroyed if it were built without permits.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.​

There is no dispute. Israel sits in Palestine.

Britain's stupid Mandate flopped. They were to assist the Palestinians in creating an independent state. They failed. They put their tail between their legs and left Palestine in the mess they created.

The UN proposed a plan that was rejected ten years earlier and was rejected. They had two options. One followed international law and would have worked. The other one didn't and flopped. What were these clowns thinking?

Yours are the continued excuses for incompetence and ineptitude as a function of Arab'ism/islam'ism.. Why is Israel successful and Arabs-Moslems are not? Why are places and people in Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam, etc, successful when arabs-moslems are not? Ponder the above and see if you can connect the dots between an ancient theocratic code that promotes perpetual war vs. the ability of those not consumed by such to understand that cooperation for the greater good benefits all.

OR,

repeat after me: I blame the Jews.... and the Great Satan™

Why is Israel successful​

Israel can mooch better than anyone else on the planet.

That is your mantra to everything that you cant twist round to make it look like someone else is to blame other than the Palestinians.

The fact is the Jews get to the top of their professions by being the best. They are the best Jewellers, the best Bankers, the best agents, the best entertainers, the best politicians, the best scientists and the best doctors. How many Jewish doctors do we see that are lauded for their life saving breakthroughs, how many Jewish scientists are Nobel prize winners, how many entertainers are in the hall of fame, how many Jewish jewellers are world renowned for their works.
You cant get those accolades by mooching, you get them by being the best. So why don't we see millions of muslims being better than the rest of the world in anything other than terrorism, mass murder, violence and destruction.

As for mooching just look to the Palestinians who are the worlds biggest moochers to the sum of $10billion a year from whoever they can get the jizya and zakat taxes from. As the 85% of uneconomical muslims in the UK say they get or will get Jizya seekers allowance

That does not refute my post. Israel could not exist without OPM.

I'm afraid you simply don't know the facts. The Israeli economy produces goods and services.

Israel Economy Facts & Stats

Choose ignorance if that makes you feel better about yourself.

From Rothschild to little blue boxes to mooching Britain's military to run cover for its colonial project during the Mandate period. Golda Meir going to the US with her hand out. Billions a year in US aid. Millions or billions in tax deductible "charity" donations.

That would give any country a leg up in prosperity.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yours are the continued excuses for incompetence and ineptitude as a function of Arab'ism/islam'ism.. Why is Israel successful and Arabs-Moslems are not? Why are places and people in Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam, etc, successful when arabs-moslems are not? Ponder the above and see if you can connect the dots between an ancient theocratic code that promotes perpetual war vs. the ability of those not consumed by such to understand that cooperation for the greater good benefits all.

OR,

repeat after me: I blame the Jews.... and the Great Satan™

Why is Israel successful​

Israel can mooch better than anyone else on the planet.

That is your mantra to everything that you cant twist round to make it look like someone else is to blame other than the Palestinians.

The fact is the Jews get to the top of their professions by being the best. They are the best Jewellers, the best Bankers, the best agents, the best entertainers, the best politicians, the best scientists and the best doctors. How many Jewish doctors do we see that are lauded for their life saving breakthroughs, how many Jewish scientists are Nobel prize winners, how many entertainers are in the hall of fame, how many Jewish jewellers are world renowned for their works.
You cant get those accolades by mooching, you get them by being the best. So why don't we see millions of muslims being better than the rest of the world in anything other than terrorism, mass murder, violence and destruction.

As for mooching just look to the Palestinians who are the worlds biggest moochers to the sum of $10billion a year from whoever they can get the jizya and zakat taxes from. As the 85% of uneconomical muslims in the UK say they get or will get Jizya seekers allowance

That does not refute my post. Israel could not exist without OPM.

I'm afraid you simply don't know the facts. The Israeli economy produces goods and services.

Israel Economy Facts & Stats

Choose ignorance if that makes you feel better about yourself.

From Rothschild to little blue boxes to mooching Britain's military to run cover for its colonial project during the Mandate period. Golda Meir going to the US with her hand out. Billions a year in US aid. Millions or billions in tax deductible "charity" donations.

That would give any country a leg up in prosperity.

Your Arab terrorist buddies got billions....well....Yasser did. And they're still failures.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Neither the Mandate nor the Resolution "flopped" (as in "completely unsuccessful; fail totally").

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You are one of those people (a large number of which describe Arab Palestinians) that, if you don't get what you think you are owed; a very common Palestinian Centric approach to the dispute, then the political initiate is a "flop" (as you put it). But that is consistent with the immature view that the Arab Palestinian have some special "right" that hands-over something on a "silver platter;" and in not getting it, they are a victim.

• As Posting #130 points out, the Mandate was not a "flop" (a total failure) because:

∆ The Arab State of Transjordan was carved-out and created; and having been granted sovereignty by HM's Government over ≈ 77% of the territory subject to the Mandate.
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• As Posting #130 points out, of the remaining ≈ 23% Mandate, the UN General Assembly recommended a split: ≈ 56% to the Jewish State and ≈ 43% allocated to another Arab State (excluding Jerusalem).

∆ Jewish Agency accepted the recommendation on behalf or the Jewish People.
∆ The Arab Higher Committee (formed by the Arab League) rejected the recommendation. The Arab Palestinian insisted that they were entitled to ALL the remaining territory and the Jewish were not entitled to any.
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While it is true that the Arab Palestinian did not get their demands met, the recommendation was made. Of the territory under which the Mandate applied, ≈ 88% was successfully transitioned into independent and sovereign states (both Arab and Jewish). The people covered by this 88% of the territory (Transjordan and Israel).

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.

The Arab Palestinian evaluate the Mandate and the subsequent Resolution 181(II) as a failure greedily demanded entire remainder, as if they had (in an erroneous belief that) received some title and right to the territory from the previous sovereign.

The Arab Palestinians are, at the macro level, blackmailers. For over six decades, they have held regional peace hostage for territorial gain and ransom payments. It is not the Arab Palestinians that are the victims of some perceived injustice, but the rest of the Regional States that have had to suffer parasitic monetary exsanguination over the decades, without any movement towards a peaceful solution.

IF there is a FLOP, it is the demonstrated inability of the Arab Palestinian people to make any meaningful progress in human development, or submit any substantive contribution regionally or globally; other than to advance the art of terrorism. They have yet to demonstrate that they can "stand alone" pursuant to the Article 22(4) criteria.

Most Respectfully,
R

Very few international disputes are solved by a diplomatic effort with a 100% effective solution. That is just real life.​

There is no dispute. Israel sits in Palestine.

Britain's stupid Mandate flopped. They were to assist the Palestinians in creating an independent state. They failed. They put their tail between their legs and left Palestine in the mess they created.

The UN proposed a plan that was rejected ten years earlier and was rejected. They had two options. One followed international law and would have worked. The other one didn't and flopped. What were these clowns thinking?

Yours are the continued excuses for incompetence and ineptitude as a function of Arab'ism/islam'ism.. Why is Israel successful and Arabs-Moslems are not? Why are places and people in Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam, etc, successful when arabs-moslems are not? Ponder the above and see if you can connect the dots between an ancient theocratic code that promotes perpetual war vs. the ability of those not consumed by such to understand that cooperation for the greater good benefits all.

OR,

repeat after me: I blame the Jews.... and the Great Satan™

Why is Israel successful​

Israel can mooch better than anyone else on the planet.

That is your mantra to everything that you cant twist round to make it look like someone else is to blame other than the Palestinians.

The fact is the Jews get to the top of their professions by being the best. They are the best Jewellers, the best Bankers, the best agents, the best entertainers, the best politicians, the best scientists and the best doctors. How many Jewish doctors do we see that are lauded for their life saving breakthroughs, how many Jewish scientists are Nobel prize winners, how many entertainers are in the hall of fame, how many Jewish jewellers are world renowned for their works.
You cant get those accolades by mooching, you get them by being the best. So why don't we see millions of muslims being better than the rest of the world in anything other than terrorism, mass murder, violence and destruction.

As for mooching just look to the Palestinians who are the worlds biggest moochers to the sum of $10billion a year from whoever they can get the jizya and zakat taxes from. As the 85% of uneconomical muslims in the UK say they get or will get Jizya seekers allowance

That does not refute my post. Israel could not exist without OPM.

So how did they manage to do so up until the mid 1980's before they started to get any US aid, given because Egypt and Jordan wanted a payoff to sign the peace treaties. So blame the islamonazi's again for the fact their treaties work in Israel's favour, and then ask why the islamonazi's get 3 to 4 times more aid than Israel does. That goes straight into the pockets of their leaders for their retirement.

 

[Phoenall]

Yours are the continued excuses for incompetence and ineptitude as a function of Arab'ism/islam'ism.. Why is Israel successful and Arabs-Moslems are not? Why are places and people in Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam, etc, successful when arabs-moslems are not? Ponder the above and see if you can connect the dots between an ancient theocratic code that promotes perpetual war vs. the ability of those not consumed by such to understand that cooperation for the greater good benefits all.

OR,

repeat after me: I blame the Jews.... and the Great Satan™

Why is Israel successful​

Israel can mooch better than anyone else on the planet.

That is your mantra to everything that you cant twist round to make it look like someone else is to blame other than the Palestinians.

The fact is the Jews get to the top of their professions by being the best. They are the best Jewellers, the best Bankers, the best agents, the best entertainers, the best politicians, the best scientists and the best doctors. How many Jewish doctors do we see that are lauded for their life saving breakthroughs, how many Jewish scientists are Nobel prize winners, how many entertainers are in the hall of fame, how many Jewish jewellers are world renowned for their works.
You cant get those accolades by mooching, you get them by being the best. So why don't we see millions of muslims being better than the rest of the world in anything other than terrorism, mass murder, violence and destruction.

As for mooching just look to the Palestinians who are the worlds biggest moochers to the sum of $10billion a year from whoever they can get the jizya and zakat taxes from. As the 85% of uneconomical muslims in the UK say they get or will get Jizya seekers allowance

That does not refute my post. Israel could not exist without OPM.

I'm afraid you simply don't know the facts. The Israeli economy produces goods and services.

Israel Economy Facts & Stats

Choose ignorance if that makes you feel better about yourself.

From Rothschild to little blue boxes to mooching Britain's military to run cover for its colonial project during the Mandate period. Golda Meir going to the US with her hand out. Billions a year in US aid. Millions or billions in tax deductible "charity" donations.

That would give any country a leg up in prosperity.

AND YOU FAIL TO PRODUCE EVEN ONE IOTA OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS. ALL YOU HAVE IS HALF TRUTHS FROM ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA SOURCES AND FICTIONAL ACCOUNTS FROM PEOPLE WHO WHERE NEVER IN ATTENDANCE