Israel nixes solar energy for Palestinians

[MJB12741]

Now what are you talking about? Arafat was a great leader. He took his Palestinians from the toilet to the sewer, got them massacred over & over again by their own Arab brothers, embezzeled their money, then died of AIDS while leaving the Palestinians living in ignorance & poverty with no hope for a Palestinian State! And then the Palestinian people themselves elect Hamas to fill Arafat's shoes! It's called Palestinian mentality! Bravo!

Why do the Palestinians need to get permits from foreigners to build on their own land?

The agreements between the PA and Israel concerning jurisdiction and administration in the West Bank are complex and varied. One would almost have to be a politician or an international jurist to have even a basic understanding of these complicated agreements. Permits are generally based on environmental and safety concerns.

Arafat really sold his people down the river when he signed Oslo. He never did get the people's approval for all those concessions.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Now what are you talking about? Arafat was a great leader. He took his Palestinians from the toilet to the sewer, got them massacred over & over again by their own Arab brothers, embezzeled their money, then died of AIDS while leaving the Palestinians living in ignorance & poverty with no hope for a Palestinian State! And then the Palestinian people themselves elect Hamas to fill Arafat's shoes! It's called Palestinian mentality! Bravo!

The agreements between the PA and Israel concerning jurisdiction and administration in the West Bank are complex and varied. One would almost have to be a politician or an international jurist to have even a basic understanding of these complicated agreements. Permits are generally based on environmental and safety concerns.

Arafat really sold his people down the river when he signed Oslo. He never did get the people's approval for all those concessions.

Arafat was brought back to Palestine by Israel. He and his cronies were set up to be oligarchs. They got rich screwing their own people. Abbas and his illegal government took over that position.

That is why they lost the elections.

 

[Wolverine1984]

Now what are you talking about? Arafat was a great leader. He took his Palestinians from the toilet to the sewer, got them massacred over & over again by their own Arab brothers, embezzeled their money, then died of AIDS while leaving the Palestinians living in ignorance & poverty with no hope for a Palestinian State! And then the Palestinian people themselves elect Hamas to fill Arafat's shoes! It's called Palestinian mentality! Bravo!

Arafat really sold his people down the river when he signed Oslo. He never did get the people's approval for all those concessions.

Arafat was brought back to Palestine by Israel. He and his cronies were set up to be oligarchs. They got rich screwing their own people. Abbas and his illegal government took over that position.

That is why they lost the elections.

Yeah Hamas boycotting the elections had nothing to do with it ...

 

[pbel]

The slow motion genocide of the indigenous people continues , denying basic human rights. Is it a wonder so much hate divides Israel from Islam?

 

[Hossfly]

The slow motion genocide of the indigenous people continues , denying basic human rights. Is it a wonder so much hate divides Israel from Islam?

What makes you think that,Pbel? I mean about slow motion genocide. Do you have any examples of a systematic destruction of any indigenous people?

 

[Sunni Man]

The slow motion genocide of the indigenous people continues , denying basic human rights. Is it a wonder so much hate divides Israel from Islam?

What makes you think that,Pbel? I mean about slow motion genocide. Do you have any examples of a systematic destruction of any indigenous people?

The almost total genocide of the American Indian basically took place in the span of three hundred years.

 

[alexa]

WOW , You don't say !
Palestinians should be treated like everyone else and have permits ? What an odd concept indeed ...

Israel might not be being so clever this time. She frequently relies on Germany for support. This might be running a bit thin. Merkel was well pissed off when they were wanting the UN to vote on Statehood and she thought that Israel had agreed to a freeze on settlements and that might allow for discussions. More fool her because once she had not given her vote for the Palestinians, Israel announced more settlement building which obviously Merkle complained about.

Now this

Six EU-funded wind and solar energy projects which provide electricity for 600 West Bank Palestinians have been put on a ‘demolition list’ by Israel, allegedly in response to an EU heads of mission report which called for laws to prevent the financing of settlements.

-snip- German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle discussed the issue with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defence Ninister Ehud Barak during a recent visit, a Germany foreign ministry spokeswoman said.

“The German government together with its EU partners is watching the situation in ‘Area C’ very attentively,” the official told EurActiv.

“The government is concerned about the ‘stop work’ orders for energy systems that have been financed with German funds,” she added.

‘Area C’

Area C is a canton under full Israeli control, comprising some 60% of the West Bank and - beyond the West Bank Wall - all of Israel’s settlements, which are considered illegal under international law.

Palestinians need permits to build in this region, but a study by the Israeli group Peace Now found that between 2000 and 2007, 94% of their applications were turned down.

EU sources say that the permitting regime seems aimed at encouraging Palestinian migration to Area’s A and B. “That is what everyone tells you when you go there,” one said, speaking on condition of anonymity. “It seems obvious but politically speaking, it is very sensitive.”

The region, spanning the Dead Sea, Judean Desert and Jordan Valley, is under-developed and the German Foreign Office provided around €300,000 for the six hybrid wind and solar energy projects, which serve poor villages in the South Hebron Hills.

The last of the energy projects was completed in September 2011, but in January, Israel’s Civil Liaison Administration, which oversees the occupied territories, announced that they had to stop work as they did not have the correct permits.

Confidential report

Some EU diplomats – and many non-governmental groups – see a link in the timing with a confidential report by the EU’s top regional diplomats into settlement building and house demolitions in Area C. It called on the Commission to draft legislation “to prevent/discourage financial transactions in support of settlement activity.”

Less than two weeks after the report was leaked, notices were served on clean energy projects in Haribat al-Nabi, Shaab al-Butum, Qawawis and Wadi al-Shesh.

“It is not just the Germans that were slapped in the face but the whole EU,” said Tsafrir Cohen, a spokesman for Medico International, one of the partner organisations behind the project. “That was their answer to the Area C report.”

Israel set to demolish EU-funded renewables projects | EurActiv

 

[Ropey]

Israel might not be being so clever this time. She frequently relies on Germany for support. This might be running a bit thin.

Might not.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Israel might not be being so clever this time. She frequently relies on Germany for support. This might be running a bit thin.

Might not.

The demolitions are unfortunate but probably necessary. The Israeli government should also take legal action against the Israeli organizations that misled Germany into funding projects in Area C that did not have the appropriate authorizations.

Under the Oslo Accords, the PA agreed with Israel that the PA should have full administrative control in Areas A and B and Israel should have full administrative control in Area C, yet the PA continues to try to illegally assert authority in Area C by encouraging illegal construction projects and by sending their security personnel into Area C without permission.

Now that Obama's arrogant blunders seem to have permanently ended any prospect of a negotiated settlement, both the PA and Israel will take unilateral actions to promote their interests. The PA will likely continue to seek recognition of an Arab state in the West Bank and Gaza at the UN and Israel will likely annex all or part of Area C once the Iran issue is taken care of.

 

[Ropey]

once the Iran issue is taken care of.

There's too much political talk when we are this close to war imho. History has shown this to be the case more often than not. Political wrangling becomes harsher and less is accomplished.

The peace deals with Egypt and Jordan have proven that Israel can make and keep a peace. It is time for the entire Arabian Peninsula to forge that peace agreement rather than attempting to continue a jihad against Israel in an attempt to dissolve it.

Regarding war with Iran. The arena is more deeply and nastily interwoven than many can know. There are deals within deals within deals. Once a war starts, it's all to the winds. If Iran and the militias (hezbollah, etc) in the Gaza/Lebanon arena begin to win a forward momentum, then you will see other alliances melt into yet other preformed alliances.

 

[P F Tinmore]

once the Iran issue is taken care of.

There's too much political talk when we are this close to war imho. History has shown this to be the case more often than not. Political wrangling becomes harsher and less is accomplished.

The peace deals with Egypt and Jordan have proven that Israel can make and keep a peace. It is time for the entire Arabian Peninsula to forge that peace agreement rather than attempting to continue a jihad against Israel in an attempt to dissolve it.

Regarding war with Iran. The arena is more deeply and nastily interwoven than many can know. There are deals within deals within deals. Once a war starts, it's all to the winds. If Iran and the militias (hezbollah, etc) in the Gaza/Lebanon arena begin to win a forward momentum, then you will see other alliances melt into yet other preformed alliances.

It is time for the entire Arabian Peninsula to forge that peace agreement rather than attempting to continue a jihad against Israel in an attempt to dissolve it.

Israel is dissolving itself. What few friends it has it keeps kicking in the nuts. Israel thinks it can keep doing that forever.

 

[Ropey]

once the Iran issue is taken care of.

There's too much political talk when we are this close to war imho. History has shown this to be the case more often than not. Political wrangling becomes harsher and less is accomplished.

The peace deals with Egypt and Jordan have proven that Israel can make and keep a peace. It is time for the entire Arabian Peninsula to forge that peace agreement rather than attempting to continue a jihad against Israel in an attempt to dissolve it.

Regarding war with Iran. The arena is more deeply and nastily interwoven than many can know. There are deals within deals within deals. Once a war starts, it's all to the winds. If Iran and the militias (hezbollah, etc) in the Gaza/Lebanon arena begin to win a forward momentum, then you will see other alliances melt into yet other preformed alliances.

It is time for the entire Arabian Peninsula to forge that peace agreement rather than attempting to continue a jihad against Israel in an attempt to dissolve it.

Israel is dissolving itself. What few friends it has it keeps kicking in the nuts. Israel thinks it can keep doing that forever.

As long as it is clear that you are not talking peace, but simply the dissolution of Israel, then it's all good here PF. This is just a forum.

Your mindset is clear. There's no peace in you even though you post many requests for sympathy. Do you see the dichotomy PF?

Hmmm?

 

[toomuchtime_]

once the Iran issue is taken care of.

There's too much political talk when we are this close to war imho. History has shown this to be the case more often than not. Political wrangling becomes harsher and less is accomplished.

The peace deals with Egypt and Jordan have proven that Israel can make and keep a peace. It is time for the entire Arabian Peninsula to forge that peace agreement rather than attempting to continue a jihad against Israel in an attempt to dissolve it.

Regarding war with Iran. The arena is more deeply and nastily interwoven than many can know. There are deals within deals within deals. Once a war starts, it's all to the winds. If Iran and the militias (hezbollah, etc) in the Gaza/Lebanon arena begin to win a forward momentum, then you will see other alliances melt into yet other preformed alliances.

I'm not so sure Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, etc. will attack Israel after the bombing of Iran's nuclear weapons and long range missile programs. They understand that a severe attack on Israel will be met by a severe retaliation that will cost significant losses of life and property among local Arabs, and none of these groups will want to be seen as Iranian proxies willing to sacrifice local Arab lives in support of the Iranian regime. The significant losses they suffered in the second Lebanon war and Cast Lead are still fresh in their minds and in the minds of the populations they want to govern.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There's too much political talk when we are this close to war imho. History has shown this to be the case more often than not. Political wrangling becomes harsher and less is accomplished.

The peace deals with Egypt and Jordan have proven that Israel can make and keep a peace. It is time for the entire Arabian Peninsula to forge that peace agreement rather than attempting to continue a jihad against Israel in an attempt to dissolve it.

Regarding war with Iran. The arena is more deeply and nastily interwoven than many can know. There are deals within deals within deals. Once a war starts, it's all to the winds. If Iran and the militias (hezbollah, etc) in the Gaza/Lebanon arena begin to win a forward momentum, then you will see other alliances melt into yet other preformed alliances.

It is time for the entire Arabian Peninsula to forge that peace agreement rather than attempting to continue a jihad against Israel in an attempt to dissolve it.

Israel is dissolving itself. What few friends it has it keeps kicking in the nuts. Israel thinks it can keep doing that forever.

As long as it is clear that you are not talking peace, but simply the dissolution of Israel, then it's all good here PF. This is just a forum.

Your mindset is clear. There's no peace in you even though you post many requests for sympathy. Do you see the dichotomy PF?

Hmmm?

The dissolution of Israel. What does that mean?

 

[Ropey]

Israel is dissolving itself. What few friends it has it keeps kicking in the nuts. Israel thinks it can keep doing that forever.

As long as it is clear that you are not talking peace, but simply the dissolution of Israel, then it's all good here PF. This is just a forum.

Your mindset is clear. There's no peace in you even though you post many requests for sympathy. Do you see the dichotomy PF?

Hmmm?

The dissolution of Israel. What does that mean?

Israel is dissolving itself. What few friends it has it keeps kicking in the nuts. Israel thinks it can keep doing that forever.

What do you mean?

 

[P F Tinmore]

As long as it is clear that you are not talking peace, but simply the dissolution of Israel, then it's all good here PF. This is just a forum.

Your mindset is clear. There's no peace in you even though you post many requests for sympathy. Do you see the dichotomy PF?

Hmmm?

The dissolution of Israel. What does that mean?

Israel is dissolving itself. What few friends it has it keeps kicking in the nuts. Israel thinks it can keep doing that forever.

What do you mean?

How about everyone still living there but with equal rights?

 

[Ropey]

The dissolution of Israel. What does that mean?

Israel is dissolving itself. What few friends it has it keeps kicking in the nuts. Israel thinks it can keep doing that forever.

What do you mean?

How about everyone still living there but with equal rights?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...t-consider-hamas-terrorist-3.html#post4878133



Try and keep up to the discussion we are having here on this thread PF. You can't stick to it and move off on other posts of other threads.

What do you mean with the use of the word dissolving in that statement PF.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Countries that recognize Palestine.

 

[Wolverine1984]

Countries that recognize Palestine.

So if Palestine is a country, how come you are saying they should be voting in Israeli elections ?
If Palestine is a world recognized country and Palestinians are it's citizens ... Then your argument about them not being allowed to vote in Israel is void.

 

[Ropey]

Countries that recognize Palestine.

So if Palestine is a country, how come you are saying they should be voting in Israeli elections ?
If Palestine is a world recognized country and Palestinians are it's citizens ... Then your argument about them not being allowed to vote in Israel is void.

This is because PF is not looking to be part of Israel but to simply see it destroyed. He does not want to see both states live. Like Hamas, he wants to see Israel die.