Are you dumb or do you just not read very well? I was talking about the occupied territories.
I'm glad you admit that they despise the Palestinians. I guess that explains why they are treated like "*******" by the Israelis. Yes they can vote. Yes they can elect members. Yes they are exempt from military service. But guess what - in order to get any sort of well paying job you have to have had military service.
Sounds good doesn't it? But they are subject to rules and laws of the Israeli government. So much for "autonomy" - it exists pretty much on paper only.
Actually, no. Your points are met with my points and some specific examples. I won't bother with sourcing them because you are unlikely to accept any source that contradicts your view.
The "territories" are largely under the control of the PA. Those parts that aren't are still waiting final status.
Do you know who the Druze are? Probably not. And going to Wiki is no fair.
I do know who the Druze are. If you read anything I posted, I have actually mentioned them as one of the many minority groups in Israel, Lebonon, Jordan and several other middle eastern countries.
And the Israelis. They are clearly a second class of citizen there and there are multiple sources of information supporting this including those from Israel itself.
Do you know what Kuwait did to the Palestinians living there after the Gulf War? I dont hear you complaining about that.
Explain to me how that is pertinant to the long ongoing situation in the occupied territories or are you just trying to deflect the issue?
Your points are worthless. They are based on Palestinian propaganda and a desire to see everything through the eyes of an American with no experience anywhere else in the world. There are no facts you have brought here.
And yours are based on Israeli propaganda. So what are the facts? Some of the sources I've used in my arguments ARE Israeli.
Since you have no idea what my nationality is, nor my experiences in other parts of the world your last statement is null.
There is no need to. Your posts and outlook give it all away.
You have managed to post nothing but opinion. You have mangled facts to fit your preconceived notion that Israel is a great aggressor and the poor palestinians just innocents caught in the middle.
It is not so. Israel bulldozes houses because the owners were allowing them to be used for terrorist bases. Israel bombs civilians. It does so because Hamas and other terrorists use those civilians as shields to hide in. Israel assassinates Palestinians leaders. Those leaders were responsible for bus bombs that killed innocent women and children.
Look, how long would the uS tolerate Mexicans setting off bus bombs in NY or LA? Not past the first one.
The Palis have been offered their own state on the most generous terms. The bastard Arafat (he should rot in hell) turned it down. He had to. Without Israel the Palestinians would figure out that their own leaders were responsible for their misery. To this day Palestinian kids are taught that all their problems come from the Jews. Their textbooks all show this. Their goal is not peaceful coexistence but the destruction of the Jewish state. When faced with an enemy like that things are likely to get a little rough.
The Arabs living in Israel proper get all the rights and privileges of Israeli citizens. The ones outside of Israel aren't citizens. What rights do you give non-citizens? What rights do Palestinians have in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia?
And it is relevant. If you are going to condemn Israel you need to condemn the other Arab states for their treatment of the Palestinians. Not to do so, to ignore it willfully is to set a double standard. And that invites nasty questions as to why you have different standards.
It is funny. I am not a Zionist. I am actually somewhat anti zionist. But when I get on these boards and see the blatant anti-semitism, the one sidedness of it I am forced to defend Israel. There is no other way for anyone with more than 2 brain cells.
Fortunately the right wing in this country gets it.