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Personally, I think the correct way to beat your wife is in a nice board game. Of course, you have to be careful not to gloat or you end up sleeping on the couch.
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Personally, I think the correct way to beat your wife is in a nice board game. Of course, you have to be careful not to gloat or you end up sleeping on the couch.
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
Point out NT scripture that supports wife beating.
Muslima wives who deny their muslime men sex are disobedient and must face the consequences of the religion of peace from psychological to physical abuse.
Quran
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
I look at all of this, and I see a call for genocide. Which is worse than wife-beating by a wide margin.
I look at all of this, and I see a call for genocide. Which is worse than wife-beating by a wide margin.
Nice straw man
but glad to know you support wife beating!
I look at all of this, and I see a call for genocide. Which is worse than wife-beating by a wide margin.
Every religion is as good or as bad as the people who practice it, and those vary widely. There are very bad Muslims out there, and I have also known some very good ones. The religion, like all other major religions, is complex and has a lot of elements that contradict one another, so that believers have to pick and choose. It's no different with any other major religion. All of them have the potential to be tyrannical and monstrous, and all have the potential to be humane and benign. Islam is far from unique in this way.
Every religion is as good or as bad as the people who practice it, and those vary widely. There are very bad Muslims out there, and I have also known some very good ones. The religion, like all other major religions, is complex and has a lot of elements that contradict one another, so that believers have to pick and choose. It's no different with any other major religion. All of them have the potential to be tyrannical and monstrous, and all have the potential to be humane and benign. Islam is far from unique in this way.
I can agree with what you are saying, but when people see books like this about beating the pants off your wife as a best seller in the Muslim world, it kind of gives people the impression Muslims in general are ok with shaping up your wife physically if you have to.
Every religion is as good or as bad as the people who practice it, and those vary widely. There are very bad Muslims out there, and I have also known some very good ones. The religion, like all other major religions, is complex and has a lot of elements that contradict one another, so that believers have to pick and choose. It's no different with any other major religion. All of them have the potential to be tyrannical and monstrous, and all have the potential to be humane and benign. Islam is far from unique in this way.
I can agree with what you are saying, but when people see books like this about beating the pants off your wife as a best seller in the Muslim world, it kind of gives people the impression Muslims in general are ok with shaping up your wife physically if you have to.
In many parts of the Muslim world, they are. In some parts of the Christian world, such as sub-Saharan Africa and even much of Latin America, they are. Muslims who have been in America for a couple of generations don't think that way. Christians who live here, or in Europe, don't think that way.
See the pattern? Is it the religion? Or is it simply an effect of backward cultures?
The difference is this, none of the backwards countries in Latin America or Africa rule their countries under strict Christian law
The difference is this, none of the backwards countries in Latin America or Africa rule their countries under strict Christian law
Naturally I don't approve of joining religion and the state; nevertheless, this is something that Christians have done in the past, and that some Christians want to do now. Again, it's not a difference in the religions, only in the cultures involved. Many Muslim countries aren't theocracies, either.
The difference is this, none of the backwards countries in Latin America or Africa rule their countries under strict Christian law
Naturally I don't approve of joining religion and the state; nevertheless, this is something that Christians have done in the past, and that some Christians want to do now. Again, it's not a difference in the religions, only in the cultures involved. Many Muslim countries aren't theocracies, either.
Oh I have seen people on this very board who want morality and religion to be legislated, and its their wet dream for this country to be a Christian version of the system Iran has going on, but thankfully those guys are a minority and that will not happen here.
Naturally I don't approve of joining religion and the state; nevertheless, this is something that Christians have done in the past, and that some Christians want to do now. Again, it's not a difference in the religions, only in the cultures involved. Many Muslim countries aren't theocracies, either.
Oh I have seen people on this very board who want morality and religion to be legislated, and its their wet dream for this country to be a Christian version of the system Iran has going on, but thankfully those guys are a minority and that will not happen here.
It won't happen here with Sharia law, either, for the same reason. Even Muslims in America don't want a theocracy. (Although that's probably because we don't get the equivalent of the religious right from the Muslim world as immigrants. I'm certainly not saying they don't exist!)
Every religion is as good or as bad as the people who practice it, and those vary widely. There are very bad Muslims out there, and I have also known some very good ones. The religion, like all other major religions, is complex and has a lot of elements that contradict one another, so that believers have to pick and choose. It's no different with any other major religion. All of them have the potential to be tyrannical and monstrous, and all have the potential to be humane and benign. Islam is far from unique in this way.
A call on a religious basis to abuse women is bad. A call on a religious basis to condemn another religion is worse. That's what I see happening on many threads here, including this one.