ISIS using Chemical Weapons?

[The Germans are coming]

A report I read in a German paper says that the Kurds fighting in Kobane are suffering from symptoms common when exposed to chlorine poisoning. And as a result are accusing ISIS of using chemical weapons.

Kobane Islamischer Staat IS soll Giftgas eingesetzt haben - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Before anyone starts whining over this.

Chlorine isn`t really that much of a common chemical weapon. It was used during world war 1 and is today mostly used in the chemical industry as a desinfectant and therefor very easy to auqire.

I am mainly suprised that I didnt see these reports on other news outlets.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

A report I read in a German paper says that the Kurds fighting in Kobane are suffering from symptoms common when exposed to chlorine poisoning. And as a result are accusing ISIS of using chemical weapons.

Kobane Islamischer Staat IS soll Giftgas eingesetzt haben - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Before anyone starts whining over this.

Chlorine isn`t really that much of a common chemical weapon. It was used during world war 1 and is today mostly used in the chemical industry as a desinfectant and therefor very easy to auqire.

I am mainly suprised that I didnt see these reports on other news outlets.

The Syrian Assad government is confirmed as using chlroine against civlians. So whether's it's ISIS or Assad I dunno. But accordingly, the US government's position is chrlorine isn't a chemical weapon attack. This determination came on the heels of President Obama's backpeddling about a line in the sand if Assad used chemical weapons. So take it with a shaker of salt.

 

[waltky]

ISIS chemical arms expert nabbed...

Iraqi officials: US captured top IS chemical arms engineer
Mar 9,`16 -- U.S. special forces captured the head of the Islamic State group's unit trying to develop chemical weapons in a raid last month in northern Iraq, Iraqi and U.S. officials told The Associated Press, the first known major success of Washington's more aggressive policy of pursuing IS militants on the ground.

The Obama administration launched the new strategy in December, deploying a commando force to Iraq that it said would be dedicated to capturing and killing IS leaders in clandestine operations, as well as generating intelligence leading to more raids. U.S. officials said last week that the expeditionary team had captured an Islamic State leader but had refused to identify him, saying only that he had been held for two or three weeks and was being questioned.

Two Iraqi intelligence officials identified the man as Sleiman Daoud al-Afari, who worked for Saddam Hussein's now-dissolved Military Industrialization Authority where he specialized in chemical and biological weapons. They said al-Afari, who is about 50 years old, heads the Islamic State group's recently established branch for the research and development of chemical weapons. He was captured in a raid near the northern Iraqi town of Tal Afar, the officials said. They would not give further details. In Washington, U.S. officials confirmed al-Afari's identity.

Iraqi Defense Minister Khaled al-Obeidi, center, arrives at a military a base outside Tikrit, 130 kilometers (80 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq, Wednesday, March 9, 2016. Al-Obeidi played down fears of the Islamic State group’s chemical weapons capabilities, saying the group lacks “chemical capabilities.” The attacks the group has carried were only intended to “hurt the morale of our fighters,” as they have so far not caused any casualties he said.​

The officials, who both have first-hand knowledge of the individual and of the IS chemical program, spoke on condition of anonymity as they are not authorized to talk to the media. No confirmation was available from U.S. officials. A U.S. official said Wednesday that one or more follow-up airstrikes were conducted against suspected IS chemical facilities in northern Iraq in recent days. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence-related operations, was unfamiliar with details of the airstrikes but indicated that they did not fully eliminate IS's suspected chemical threat.

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US 'quizzes IS chemical arms expert'
Wed, 09 Mar 2016 - A chemical weapons expert from the self-styled Islamic State group in Iraq has been captured by US special forces and is being questioned, reports say.

The man was once a specialist in chemical and biological weapons for Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi leader overthrown by the US invasion in 2003, Iraqi and US sources told US media. Named as Sleiman Daoud al-Afari, he was reportedly seized last month. In a statement to the BBC, the Pentagon would not confirm his capture. However, its spokesman confirmed US special forces had begun operations in Iraq - part of a more aggressive strategy against IS. The man has already told interrogators how IS loaded mustard gas into shells, US sources told the New York Times.

Last month, sources at the global chemical watchdog, the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), announced that sulphur mustard had been used last year in an attack on Kurdish forces in Iraq blamed on IS. If confirmed, it would be the first known use of chemical weapons in Iraq since the fall of Saddam. Mr Afari was identified as a former employee of the Military Industrialisation Authority, which functioned under Saddam, who used poison gas against Iraq's Kurdish community in the 1980s.

Unnamed US defence sources told the New York Times Mr Afari was being held in Irbil, a Kurdish stronghold in northern Iraq. He is being questioned about IS plans to use mustard gas, which is banned under international law, in Iraq and Syria, the paper says. The alleged IS weapons expert reportedly gave his captors details of how the group had weaponised mustard gas into powdered form and loaded it into artillery shells.

One defence official quoted by the paper said the gas was not concentrated enough to kill anyone but that it could maim people. Mustard gas, which is liquid at ambient temperature, is a powerful irritant and blistering agent which causes severe damage to the skin, eyes and respiratory system and internal organs. The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) visited the prisoner after it was notified of his capture by US officials, the paper adds. No details were given. Two unnamed Iraqi intelligence sources quoted by the Associated Press news agency described Mr Afari as the head of the IS unit trying to develop chemical weapons.

IS leaders targeted

 

[Mr. H.]

I am mainly suprised that I didnt see these reports on other news outlets.

I saw it on CBS news just this evening.

 

[irosie91]

A report I read in a German paper says that the Kurds fighting in Kobane are suffering from symptoms common when exposed to chlorine poisoning. And as a result are accusing ISIS of using chemical weapons.

Kobane Islamischer Staat IS soll Giftgas eingesetzt haben - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Before anyone starts whining over this.

Chlorine isn`t really that much of a common chemical weapon. It was used during world war 1 and is today mostly used in the chemical industry as a desinfectant and therefor very easy to auqire.

I am mainly suprised that I didnt see these reports on other news outlets.

The Syrian Assad government is confirmed as using chlroine against civlians. So whether's it's ISIS or Assad I dunno. But accordingly, the US government's position is chrlorine isn't a chemical weapon attack. This determination came on the heels of President Obama's backpeddling about a line in the sand if Assad used chemical weapons. So take it with a shaker of salt.

chlorine bombs are VERY MUCH A CHEMICAL WEAPON------they are deadly---
especially for children----the chlorine form HCl in the lungs and dissolves the
alveoli-----kids die in torment of respiratory insufficiency

 

[Indofred]

The Syrian Assad government is confirmed as using chlroine against civlians.

Are they?
Perhaps you could post the evidence, please.

 

[Indofred]

ISIS chemical arms expert nabbed...

Iraqi officials: US captured top IS chemical arms engineer

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The news agency cited unidentified Iraqi intelligence sources and noted the U.S. would not confirm the report.

Well, that old crap is coming out again, but not a single bit of proof - again.

Saddam's WMD anyone?

 

[irosie91]

ISIS chemical arms expert nabbed...

Iraqi officials: US captured top IS chemical arms engineer

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The news agency cited unidentified Iraqi intelligence sources and noted the U.S. would not confirm the report.

Well, that old crap is coming out again, but not a single bit of proof - again.

Saddam's WMD anyone?

several hundred thousand kurds-----including scores of thousands of babies left to
rot in the SUN-----------kinda HOLY JIHAD for the glory of allah-----(nothing "mass"
about it)

 

[waltky]

Looks like new inmates comin' to Guantanamo...

US to Temporarily Hold Captured ISIS Leaders for Interrogation
Mar 11, 2016 | The U.S. has no intention of setting up a permanent site for the detention and interrogation of terror suspects in Iraq and will only hold them for periods loosely defined as "short term," a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad said Friday. "Fourteen to 30 days is a ballpark figure, but even that is not really completely nailed down," said Col. Steve Warren, a spokesman for Combined Joint Task Force-Operation Inherent Resolve. "There isn't a hard definition of short-term."

However, a top U.S. commander has said that options must be considered for the long-term detention of leaders of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, as the U.S. steps up Special Forces raids in both countries. In testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee on Tuesday, Army Gen. Joseph Votel, head of U.S. Special Operations Command, said the U.S. will need a detention plan as more suspects are captured. Under questioning from Sen. Kelly Ayotte, a New Hampshire Republican, Votel, who has been nominated to take over U.S. Central Command, said, "I would agree there is a requirement for long-term detention, senator."

Since the campaign to defeat ISIS began in the summer of 2014, the U.S. has publicly acknowledged capturing and interrogating only two high-value members of the group and both have since been turned over to Iraqi authorities under an agreement to allow continued access, Warren said. "This is not a catch and release program," he said. "If we've got to go back and talk to them, we'll go back and talk to them." There were currently no plans to build a detention facility for terror suspect in Iraq, he said. "We are confident (the Iraqis) can hold them," Warren said on Friday in a video briefing from Baghdad to the Pentagon. "If some escape, then we'll just go catch them again or kill them."

The two ISIS members the U.S. has admitted to holding were both captured in raids by U.S. Special Forces teams. Both yielded valuable intelligence under interrogation while they were held at a location believed to be in or near Irbil, the capital of the Kurdish autonomous region, according to Defense and State Department officials. Despite the U.S. claim to have held only two terror suspects, The New York Times earlier this week reported that Special Forces teams had captured a "handful" of ISIS operatives and the Pentagon was "now faced with the prospect of detaining a larger group of captives." Late last year, Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said a so-called expeditionary targeting force of about 200 Special Operations troops was being set up in Iraq with the mission of killing or capturing ISIS leaders. In recent weeks, defense officials have said that the force had begun operations.

In a raid in Syria last May, U.S. Delta Force troops captured Nasrin As'ad Ibrahim, also known as Umm Sayyaf. She was the wife of ISIS leader Abu Sayyaf, who was killed in the raid. A young Yazidi woman also was rescued in the raid. Umm Sayyaf was held by the U.S. in Iraq and was later turned over to the Kurdish regional authorities in Irbil. In a statement at the time, National Security Council spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan, using another acronym for ISIS, said, "We suspect that Umm Sayyaf is a member of ISIL, played an important role in ISIL's terrorist activities, and may have been complicit in the enslavement of the young woman rescued last night." The second ISIS operative captured and detained by the U.S. has been identified as Sleiman Daoud al-Afari, believed to be an ISIS chemical weapons expert. He was captured last month in a Special Forces raid in northern Iraq west of Mosul.

Intelligence gleaned from the interrogation of al-Afari led to two U.S. airstrikes near Mosul last week that were believed to have destroyed to chemical weapons facilities, Warren said. On Thursday, fifteen Republican senators, including presidential candidates Marco Rubio of Florida and Ted Cruz of Texas, offered a resolution calling upon the Obama administration to send ISIS operatives captured in Iraq or Syria to the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detention facility to be held indefinitely. No new prisoners have been sent to Guantanamo since 2009, when President Barack Obama signed an executive order to begin the process to close the facility. Congress has since passed bills to block the closing.

US to Temporarily Hold Captured ISIS Leaders for Interrogation | Military.com

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US Hands Over ISIS Chemical Weapons Chief to Iraqi Government: DoD
Mar 11, 2016 - The Pentagon transferred the head of the Islamic State terror group's chemical weapons development unit to the Iraqi government Thursday shortly after the U.S. captured him in a raid, Pentagon press secretary Peter Cook announced.

Cook stressed the U.S. would keep ISIS detainees only for the "short term," handled on a "case by case" basis. "We have a government on the ground in Iraq, a partner in the fight against ISIL, that we feel confident we can rely on in this instance." A defense official who would not reveal his identity reached by Fox News after the briefing confirmed the Pentagon has no plan on handling ISIS detainees. Cook would not say whether the U.S. government had access to ISIS detainees once turned over to the Iraqi government.

Demonstrators chant pro-Islamic State slogans as they wave the group’s flags.​

U.S. special forces captured Sulayman Dawud al-Bakkar, also known as Sleiman Daoud al-Afari, in a raid last month in northern Iraq, according to Iraqi and U.S. officials. The special commando unit was deployed to Iraq to conduct raids and collect intelligence on the ground. The Pentagon press secretary said al-Bakkar's capture and transfer could be "a template for future cases." Cook said the airstrikes conducted as a result of al-Bakkar's capture "disrupted and degraded" the group's chemical weapons capabilities, but did not necessarily eliminate the problem. "We feel good about the damage we've done to the program," he said.

Cook declined to provide details of the strikes but said the information they've received will allow the U.S. to conduct additional strikes. Al-Bakkar worked for the late President Saddam Hussein's now-dissolved Military Industrialization Authority, where he specialized in chemical and biological weapons. Iraqi intelligence officials said he is about 50 years old and headed the Islamic State group's recently established branch for the research and development of chemical weapons. He was captured in a raid near the northern Iraqi town of Tal Afar, the officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

US Hands Over ISIS Chemical Weapons Chief to Iraqi Government: DoD | Military.com

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ISIS chemical weapons attacks kill child, wound 600
12 Mar.`16 -- The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has launched two chemical attacks near the northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk, killing a 3-year-old girl, wounding some 600 people and causing hundreds more to flee, Iraqi officials said Saturday.

"What the Daesh terrorist gangs did in the city of Taza will not go unpunished," Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said, using an alternative name for ISIS during a meeting with village elders in the small town of Taza on Saturday. "The perpetrators will pay dearly." Security and hospital officials say the latest attack took place early Saturday in Taza, which was also struck by a barrage of rockets carrying chemicals three days earlier.

Sameer Wais, whose daughter Fatima was killed in the attack, is a member of a Shiite militia fighting ISIS in Kirkuk province. He said he was on duty at the frontline when the attack occurred early in the morning, quickly ran home and said he could still smell the chemicals in the rocket. "We took her to the clinic and they said that she needed to go to a hospital in Kirkuk. And that's what we did, we brought her here to the hospital in Kirkuk," he said.

Fatma Samir, 3, who was killed in a chemical attack in Taza, 10 miles south of Kirkuk, northern Iraq.​

Wais said his daughter appeared to be doing better the next day so they took her home. "But by midnight she started to get worse. Her face puffed up and her eyes bulged. Then she turned black and pieces of her skin started to come off," he said. By the next morning, Fatima had died, Wais said. The hundreds of wounded are suffering from infected burns, suffocation and dehydration, said Helmi Hamdi, a nurse at the Taza hospital. He said eight people were transferred to Baghdad for treatment. "There is fear and panic among the women and children," said Adel Hussein, a local official in Taza. "They're calling for the central government to save them." Hussein said a German and an American forensics team arrived in the area to test for the presence of chemical agents. U.S. and Iraqi officials said U.S. special forces captured the head of the ISIS unit trying to develop chemical weapons in a raid last month in northern Iraq.

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[shadow355]

A report I read in a German paper says that the Kurds fighting in Kobane are suffering from symptoms common when exposed to chlorine poisoning. And as a result are accusing ISIS of using chemical weapons.

Kobane Islamischer Staat IS soll Giftgas eingesetzt haben - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Before anyone starts whining over this.

Chlorine isn`t really that much of a common chemical weapon. It was used during world war 1 and is today mostly used in the chemical industry as a desinfectant and therefor very easy to auqire.

I am mainly suprised that I didnt see these reports on other news outlets.

The Syrian Assad government is confirmed as using chlroine against civlians. So whether's it's ISIS or Assad I dunno. But accordingly, the US government's position is chrlorine isn't a chemical weapon attack. This determination came on the heels of President Obama's backpeddling about a line in the sand if Assad used chemical weapons. So take it with a shaker of salt.

chlorine bombs are VERY MUCH A CHEMICAL WEAPON------they are deadly---
especially for children----the chlorine form HCl in the lungs and dissolves the
alveoli-----kids die in torment of respiratory insufficiency

EXACTLY right.

Hydrochloric acid to be precise, is formed when chlorine meets water..... Or moisture in the lungs, or sweat on the body.

Think of it as a bluster agent and as a asphyxiant ( suffocates ) in one chemical. Synergistic effects.

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Quote :

PPM = parts per million

"Chlorine is deadly at concentrations of several hundred ppm or higher."

"In Iraq, militias or terrorists have detonated bombs rigged to cylinders containing chlorine that originally were intended for water treatment and other industrial uses, with the intention of dispersing the gas over their targets "

Industrial Chemicals as Weapons: Chlorine | NTI


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Quote:

"The chlorine seeped into body fluids and ate away at eyes, throat and lungs. Some 1,200 French soldiers were killed in the chaos of that first five-minute gas attack.

'You drown in your own lungs,' Chielens added."

Chemical warfare began 100 years ago this week



Shadow 355 ( Public Safety Employee )

 

[irosie91]

A report I read in a German paper says that the Kurds fighting in Kobane are suffering from symptoms common when exposed to chlorine poisoning. And as a result are accusing ISIS of using chemical weapons.

Kobane Islamischer Staat IS soll Giftgas eingesetzt haben - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Before anyone starts whining over this.

Chlorine isn`t really that much of a common chemical weapon. It was used during world war 1 and is today mostly used in the chemical industry as a desinfectant and therefor very easy to auqire.

I am mainly suprised that I didnt see these reports on other news outlets.

The Syrian Assad government is confirmed as using chlroine against civlians. So whether's it's ISIS or Assad I dunno. But accordingly, the US government's position is chrlorine isn't a chemical weapon attack. This determination came on the heels of President Obama's backpeddling about a line in the sand if Assad used chemical weapons. So take it with a shaker of salt.

chlorine bombs are VERY MUCH A CHEMICAL WEAPON------they are deadly---
especially for children----the chlorine form HCl in the lungs and dissolves the
alveoli-----kids die in torment of respiratory insufficiency

EXACTLY right.

Hydrochloric acid to be precise, is formed when chlorine meets water..... Or moisture in the lungs, or sweat on the body.

Think of it as a bluster agent and as a asphyxiant ( suffocates ) in one chemical. Synergistic effects.

---------

Quote :

PPM = parts per million

"Chlorine is deadly at concentrations of several hundred ppm or higher."

"In Iraq, militias or terrorists have detonated bombs rigged to cylinders containing chlorine that originally were intended for water treatment and other industrial uses, with the intention of dispersing the gas over their targets "

Industrial Chemicals as Weapons: Chlorine | NTI


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Quote:

"The chlorine seeped into body fluids and ate away at eyes, throat and lungs. Some 1,200 French soldiers were killed in the chaos of that first five-minute gas attack.

'You drown in your own lungs,' Chielens added."

Chemical warfare began 100 years ago this week



Shadow 355 ( Public Safety Employee )

shadow---you got it right-----BUT one correction-----it is not a "bluster" agent---it is a BLISTER agent------or----more technical term VESICANT

 

[shadow355]

A report I read in a German paper says that the Kurds fighting in Kobane are suffering from symptoms common when exposed to chlorine poisoning. And as a result are accusing ISIS of using chemical weapons.

Kobane Islamischer Staat IS soll Giftgas eingesetzt haben - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Before anyone starts whining over this.

Chlorine isn`t really that much of a common chemical weapon. It was used during world war 1 and is today mostly used in the chemical industry as a desinfectant and therefor very easy to auqire.

I am mainly suprised that I didnt see these reports on other news outlets.

The Syrian Assad government is confirmed as using chlroine against civlians. So whether's it's ISIS or Assad I dunno. But accordingly, the US government's position is chrlorine isn't a chemical weapon attack. This determination came on the heels of President Obama's backpeddling about a line in the sand if Assad used chemical weapons. So take it with a shaker of salt.

chlorine bombs are VERY MUCH A CHEMICAL WEAPON------they are deadly---
especially for children----the chlorine form HCl in the lungs and dissolves the
alveoli-----kids die in torment of respiratory insufficiency

EXACTLY right.

Hydrochloric acid to be precise, is formed when chlorine meets water..... Or moisture in the lungs, or sweat on the body.

Think of it as a bluster agent and as a asphyxiant ( suffocates ) in one chemical. Synergistic effects.

---------

Quote :

PPM = parts per million

"Chlorine is deadly at concentrations of several hundred ppm or higher."

"In Iraq, militias or terrorists have detonated bombs rigged to cylinders containing chlorine that originally were intended for water treatment and other industrial uses, with the intention of dispersing the gas over their targets "

Industrial Chemicals as Weapons: Chlorine | NTI


---------------

Quote:

"The chlorine seeped into body fluids and ate away at eyes, throat and lungs. Some 1,200 French soldiers were killed in the chaos of that first five-minute gas attack.

'You drown in your own lungs,' Chielens added."

Chemical warfare began 100 years ago this week



Shadow 355 ( Public Safety Employee )

shadow---you got it right-----BUT one correction-----it is not a "bluster" agent---it is a BLISTER agent------or----more technical term VESICANT

Yeah I know . " Bluster " was a typo error .

Shadow 355

 

[waltky]

Kurds report ISIS usin' chemical weapons?...

Islamic State using chemical weapons in Iraq, Kurds say
April 22, 2016 - The assault was an indication IS is prepared to defend the captured city of Mosul.

Kurdish Peshmerga positions in northern Iraq were again hit with chemical weapons by the Islamic State, several commanding officers said. An unidentified Peshmerga commander said IS attacked the Kurdish troops, fighting to control the town of Gwer, with rockets containing mustard gas in an attack this week. Col. Srud al-Bazanji, Peshmerga chief of staff for the area that was struck, referred to the chemical as chlorine gas. Both are banned for use in war by international treaties, and while neither is considered an effective tactical weapon, they have a potent psychological effect. "Normal weapons are better at causing death and injury but if you think chemical weapons are being used you are more afraid," Col Bazanji said, adding IS has used chemical weapons in the area at least 10 times in the past six weeks. Eight Peshmerga soldiers showed symptoms of assault by chemical warfare, in choking and shortness of breath.

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Bazanji noted the chemical assault was likely a warning that IS, which has seized large stocks of industrial chlorine and is believed to have the capability of weapons manufacture, is prepared to defend Mosul, Iraq's second-largest city and the biggest city occupied by insurgent forces. A long-planned campaign to rid Mosul of IS forces is expected to begin soon, and the Peshmerga troops' offensive to capture roadways leading to the city is slowly making progress. The timetable for attacking Mosul remains fluid. President Barack Obama said in an interview this week that Mosul will be re-taken by the end of 2016. Other officials predict the final push for Mosul will occur in early 2017.

After complaints their weapons have been inadequate to fight IS forces, the Peshmerga forces have been armed with armored personnel carriers, mortars and anti-tank weapons by the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq. "We have decided to give them about two U.S. Army brigades-worth of equipment -- heavier stuff," Brig. Gen. John E. Novalis II, who is overseeing coalition training of Iraqi security forces, told Stars and Stripes earlier in April. The United States also announced it will increase troop numbers in Iraq, send AH-64 Apache helicopters and helping fund the Kurdish Peshmerga with up to $415 million to help retake Mosul.

Islamic State using chemical weapons in Iraq, Kurds say

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