Is THIS what conservatives mean when they boast about American 'exceptionalism'?

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    And when liberals condemn atrocities like this, is that why conservatives label us traitors and UN-American?

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    WikiLeaks Documents Detail Rape, Abuse, Murder

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    Among the details from the approximately 400,000, collected from field reports sent in by American units in the field between 2004 and 2009, and leaked to the news outlets are that:

    - U.S. authorities failed to investigate hundreds of reports of abuse, torture, rape and even murder by Iraqi police and soldiers whose conduct appears to be systematic and normally unpunished.

    - Americans often turned a blind eye to Iraqis being tortured and abused by other Iraqis in secret prisons.

    - Iran's military - to a further extent than previously known - intervened aggressively in support of Shiite combatants, offering weapons, training and sanctuary.

    - A U.S. helicopter gunship involved in a notorious Baghdad incident had previously killed Iraqi insurgents after they tried to surrender.

    - According to one tabulation, there have been 100,000 civilian causalities - greater than the numbers previously made public, many of them killed by American troops but most of them were killed by other Iraqis.

    WikiLeaks Documents Detail Rape, Abuse, Murder - World Watch - CBS News

    Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.
    Dwight D. Eisenhower
     
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    And now the echo chamber is free to shot the messenger.
     
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    I knew this would come up sooner or later. Congratulations on finding the dumbest possible way to introduce the topic.
     
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    Yea, Hitler's atrocities came up sooner or later too you asshole.
     
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    1. Alexis de Tocqueville first wrote of America as ‘exceptional’ in 1835.

    2. Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan: "We are the oldest continuing democracy in the world. . . . We don't make refugees, we admit them. When the rich of the world get sick, they come here to be treated, and when their children come of age, they send them here to our universities. We have a supple political system open to reform, and a wildly diverse culture that has moments of stress but plenty of give. . . . The point is that while terrible challenges face us -- improving a sick public education system, ending the easy-money culture, rebuilding the economy -- we are building from an extraordinary, brilliant, and enduring base."

    3. “In most countries in the world your fate and your identity are handed to you; in America, you determine them for yourself. America is a country where you get to writh the script of your own life. Your life is like a blank sheet of paper, and you are the artist. This notion of being the architect of your own destiny is the incredibly powerful idea that is behind the worldwide appeal of America.” Dinesh D’Souza, born in India.

    4. “The United States is comically bad at making its own case,” Maddox writes in the book’s opening pages. This observation will ring true to those Americans who wonder how their country—which welcomes more immigrants than any other, is more generous in its foreign aid than any other, and whose culture is so popular—could be loathed by so many. It will sound even more spot-on to those non-Americans, like Maddox, who consider themselves friends of the United States. For years, overseas admirers of the U.S. have had to endure witless editorials and boorish dinner companions ranting about how Uncle Sam is the root of all evil. Unfortunately, the government of the United States has failed miserably at defending itself in the court of world opinion.
    Maddox makes the case for American indispensability. “American values are Western values,” she titles her third chapter. She stresses to her non-American readers that whatever differences they might have with America, they would do well to understand that the United States ultimately stands for individual rights, political freedom, and the free exchange of goods—all distinctly Western ideas.
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    5. There are those on the other side of the aisle whose main goal is to de-nude the American eagle, one feather at a time. Every twisting of language, every supposed infraction of statute, every claimed misstep, is another feather removed.
    “You are imperialist”, a feather gone.
    “You torture,” another feather.
    Many voted for a President who goes abroad to apologize for supposed wrongs, more feathers gone.
    (author unknown)

    It may just be an indication of each of our personalities, which aspects of America we each emphasis...
    I have always been a happy person.
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    in terms of aid to % of GDP , we aren't even close to the most generous
     
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    Again..I will say that exposing this is not the issue.

    Putting out real world names is..

    That is what I take enormous exception to.
     
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    Ah, another feather snatcher!

    "We usually hear about charity in the media when there is a terrible disaster. For example, after Hurricane Katrina, we heard about the incredible outpouring of private generosity that amounted to $6 billion. What gets less attention is that Americans routinely give that much to charity every week. Last year Americans gave $300 billion to charity. To put this into perspective, that is almost twice what we spent on consumer electronics equipment—equipment including cell phones, iPods and DVD players.

    Americans gave three times as much to charity last year as we spent on gambling and ten times as much as we spent on professional sports. America is by far the most charitable country in the world. There is no other country that comes close."
    https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2010&month=01
    (emphasis mine)

    And, of course, those on the right are more charitable than those on the left, who talk a good game...

    Or is that the motivation for your post?
     
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    Bluster and obfuscation PC...

    It was George Orwell who said: "The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."

    It was Albert Camus who said:" It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners."

    It was Mahatma Gandhi who said: "What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?"

    It was President Eisenhower who said: "Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing."

    It was President Kennedy who said: "The world knows America will never start a war"

    It was President Reagan who said: "No mother would ever willingly sacrifice her sons for territorial gain, for economic advantage, for ideology."

    It was General William Tecumseh Sherman who said: "It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood...War is hell."

    AND THEN, It was President G.W. Bush who said: "Our nation is somewhat sad, but we’re angry. There’s a certain level of blood lust, but we won’t let it drive our reaction. We’re steady, clear-eyed and patient, but pretty soon we’ll have to start displaying scalps."


    After 7 years of hearing your 'side of the aisle' serve as cheerleaders for torture, Hirohito sneak attacks, needless killing of innocent men, women and children, pushing preventative war and wars of ideology and THEN blaming the victims, whose only crime was living under a dictator America helped install, it's time to face the realities. There are good reasons WHY so many wise men have spoken out against war and worked so hard to avoid it. War is the scourge of mankind.

    I'm glad you are a 'happy person'...because all of mankind exists just to 'please' you PC. Enjoy your happiness PC, but it may be very short lived.

    “Dante once said that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality”
    President John F. Kennedy
     
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    foreign aid is done by the government and thats where the numbers are calculated from. your quoted material is about private donations by citizens
     

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