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I knew this would come up sooner or later. Congratulations on finding the dumbest possible way to introduce the topic.
Yea, Hitler's atrocities came up sooner or later too you asshole.
Why do Progressives like John Murtha and Bfgrn call our troops "cold blooded killers" and Nazis?
Why?
which technology and culture came from the state?
in terms of aid to % of GDP , we aren't even close to the most generous
Does your calculation include non government aid?
You are right rdean; cause your hero Al Gore did invent the internet.
Al Gore never said he did.
Nope, he just created it.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlco[/ame]
Nope..but he made jokes about it..which was stupid.
In any case..the guys that actually did "code" the internet..gave him award for his help in getting government funding.
That was not a joke.
No..actually..he was making jokes about it..and reminding people that idiots were misquoting him. It backfired.
And flew right over the part that the people who really DID "invent" the internet, gave him an award. Whooosh.
The blue line? WTF is wrong with you? What are you saying, he should adhere to some 'collectivist' code??? I guess that whole 'individual responsibility' mantra is just BULLSHIT dripping out of your mouth, eh asshole? I don't care what branch of the military it is or isn't. Those men & women represent you, me and our country. Joe Darby saw human beings being tortured and abused and the man did the RIGHT thing. You are really a scum bag, not a wind bag.
he was one of the originals to push for commercializing it
he was one of the originals to push for commercializing it
Was he? Do you have proof of that, or are you just making stuff up to defend a position you have suddenly found indefensible?
You are right rdean; cause your hero Al Gore did invent the internet.The liberal side of America is "exceptional". That's where all the technology, scientific discoveries, art and culture come from. When other countries copy our culture, they don't copy conservative Americans. Those people they fear, and rightly so.
Go ahead righties, call me a liar, but we both know it's true.
Al Gore never said he did.
You are right rdean; cause your hero Al Gore did invent the internet.
Al Gore never said he did.
Nope, he just created it.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlco[/ame]
he was one of the originals to push for commercializing it
Was he? Do you have proof of that, or are you just making stuff up to defend a position you have suddenly found indefensible?
he was one of the originals to push for commercializing it
Was he? Do you have proof of that, or are you just making stuff up to defend a position you have suddenly found indefensible?
Vinton Gray "Vint" Cerf (born June 23, 1943) is an American computer scientist who is recognized as one of the fathers of the Internet", sharing this title with American computer scientist Bob Kahn. His contributions have been acknowledged and lauded, repeatedly, with honorary degrees, and awards that include the National Medal of Technology, the Turing Award, the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and membership in the National Academy of Engineering.
Here is the definitive statement on Gore's involvement in "inventing" the Internet, from the guys who really did:
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Al Gore and the Internet
By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf
Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the
Internet and to promote and support its development.
No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the
Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among
people in government and the university community. But as the two people
who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the
Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a
Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to
our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of
time.
Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role.
He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the
initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have
argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover,
there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's
initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving
Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and
promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it
is timely to offer our perspective.
As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed
telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the
improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official
to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact
than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship. Though easily
forgotten, now, at the time this was an unproven and controversial
concept. Our work on the Internet started in 1973 and was based on even
earlier work that took place in the mid-late 1960s. But the Internet, as
we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still
in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided
intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential
benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he
sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in
areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural
disasters and other crises.
As a Senator in the 1980s Gore urged government agencies to consolidate
what at the time were several dozen different and unconnected networks
into an "Interagency Network." Working in a bi-partisan manner with
officials in Ronald Reagan and George Bush's administrations, Gore secured
the passage of the High Performance Computing and Communications Act in
1991. This "Gore Act" supported the National Research and Education
Network (NREN) initiative that became one of the major vehicles for the
spread of the Internet beyond the field of computer science.
As Vice President Gore promoted building the Internet both up and out, as
well as releasing the Internet from the control of the government agencies
that spawned it. He served as the major administration proponent for
continued investment in advanced computing and networking and private
sector initiatives such as Net Day. He was and is a strong proponent of
extending access to the network to schools and libraries. Today,
approximately 95% of our nation's schools are on the Internet. Gore
provided much-needed political support for the speedy privatization of the
Internet when the time arrived for it to become a commercially-driven
operation.
There are many factors that have contributed to the Internet's rapid
growth since the later 1980s, not the least of which has been political
support for its privatization and continued support for research in
advanced networking technology. No one in public life has been more
intellectually engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving
Internet than the Vice President. Gore has been a clear champion of this
effort, both in the councils of government and with the public at large.
The Vice President deserves credit for his early recognition of the value
of high speed computing and communication and for his long-term and
consistent articulation of the potential value of the Internet to American
citizens and industry and, indeed, to the rest of the world.
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Vint Cerf
WorldCom
22001 Loudoun County Parkway
Building F2, Room 4115, ATTN: Vint Cerf
Ashburn, VA 20147
Telephone (703) 886-1690
FAX (703) 886-0047
You are right rdean; cause your hero Al Gore did invent the internet.
Al Gore never said he did.
The right wing said that he did, so for them, that's evidence enough.
Al Gore never said he did.
Nope, he just created it.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlco[/ame]
Took the "initiative" in creating the Internet is way different than "I created the Internet".
Bush "took the initiative to invade Iraq". Does that mean that he himself actually invaded Iraq?
Took the "initiative" means he got things going.
Does everything have to be explained?
he was one of the originals to push for commercializing it
Was he? Do you have proof of that, or are you just making stuff up to defend a position you have suddenly found indefensible?
snopes.com: Al Gore Invented the Internet
good source to start with references
Al Gore never said he did.
The right wing said that he did, so for them, that's evidence enough.
Nope, he just created it. That in no way implies that he invented it, because only right wing wingnuts could possibly think someone who created something was saying he invented it.
1. Alexis de Tocqueville first wrote...
2. Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan said...
3. Dinesh DSouza said...
4. Maddox writes...
5. There are those on the other side of the aisle whose main goal is to de-nude the American eagle, one feather at a time. Every twisting of language, every supposed infraction of statute, every claimed misstep, is another feather removed.
You are imperialist, a feather gone.
You torture, another feather.
Many voted for a President who goes abroad to apologize for supposed wrongs, more feathers gone.
(author unknown)
It may just be an indication of each of our personalities, which aspects of America we each emphasis...
I have always been a happy person.
My condolences to you.
Bluster and obfuscation PC...
It was George Orwell who said: "The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."
It was Albert Camus who said:" It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners."
It was Mahatma Gandhi who said: "What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?"
It was President Eisenhower who said: "Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing."
It was President Kennedy who said: "The world knows America will never start a war"
It was President Reagan who said: "No mother would ever willingly sacrifice her sons for territorial gain, for economic advantage, for ideology."
It was General William Tecumseh Sherman who said: "It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood...War is hell."
AND THEN, It was President G.W. Bush who said: "Our nation is somewhat sad, but were angry. Theres a certain level of blood lust, but we wont let it drive our reaction. Were steady, clear-eyed and patient, but pretty soon well have to start displaying scalps."
After 7 years of hearing your 'side of the aisle' serve as cheerleaders for torture, Hirohito sneak attacks, needless killing of innocent men, women and children, pushing preventative war and wars of ideology and THEN blaming the victims, whose only crime was living under a dictator America helped install, it's time to face the realities. There are good reasons WHY so many wise men have spoken out against war and worked so hard to avoid it. War is the scourge of mankind.
I'm glad you are a 'happy person'...because all of mankind exists just to 'please' you PC. Enjoy your happiness PC, but it may be very short lived.
Dante once said that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality
President John F. Kennedy
The blue line? WTF is wrong with you? What are you saying, he should adhere to some 'collectivist' code??? I guess that whole 'individual responsibility' mantra is just BULLSHIT dripping out of your mouth, eh asshole? I don't care what branch of the military it is or isn't. Those men & women represent you, me and our country. Joe Darby saw human beings being tortured and abused and the man did the RIGHT thing. You are really a scum bag, not a wind bag.
I am the guy that gets a shitload from conservatives almost every time I mention police because I think they need to be reigned in, and now I am saying that they are right to have a code where the bad cops should keep quiet.
Right.
Grow up and start acting like an adult, and people might start respecting your opinion. Keep mouthing off because people who essentially agree with you call you on your factual errors and everyone will continue to treat you like the child you portray.
Pointing out your factual errors is not supporting the people you are attempting to dump on, it is just defending the people who did not do what you are talking about. Or do you have a problem with not smearing everyone with the same brush?
Go back, read my post, and point out anywhere where I spoke out against the man who reported the abuse, or even spoke up in support of the people who abused those prisoners. If you can find it I will retract what I said. If you cannot, I would like an apology. I do not expect one, but I would like one.
I will take your failure to point out where I said anything like you think I said as an admission that I did not say it, just in case you pull the typical position and refuse to mention this again.
Yep.
He ratted out a bunch of cops who were breaking the law, and is a pariah because of it. He crossed the Blue Line.
Nice of you to blame this on the Army though. Being the person you are, you probably haven't educated yourself to the extent that you would know that the regular Army thinks that reserve units are their biggest problem in both Iraq and Afghanistan. The worst are the ones that are police officers in civilian life, because they are trained to think like cops instead of soldiers. Do a little research on the militarization of police before you blame the Army for what cops did.]
