Is this the kind of nonsense talk we can expect on a daily basis from Trump and his team?

[TemplarKormac]

I could'n't help but ask myself if he didn't have any sense at all that the presidency doesn't come with a magic wand and pixie dust.

No, it comes with a pen and a phone. Democrats are going to regret Obama ever said that.

 

[Nosmo King]

You got crickets because many refuse to learn what the Electoral College is all about.

Hint - Only a third of the population supported succession from the Crown before the Revolutionary War.
The Electoral College is there for the citizens to overthrow an oppressive goverment that is doing our Nation harm and towards the citizens harm.
The E.C. is Set up for minorties to be able to do so against the majority.

Trump won more counties over Hillary.
Hillary lost, deal with it.

I'm not disputing the results of the election. I understand how and why the Electoral College works.

But the subject is Trump's rhetoric, specifically his credibility. His appointees seem to disavow the missions of the departments they are to head. His personal attacks on private citizens. The promises made on the campaign trail measured against his attitude on them now.

I didn't support Trump, as millions of Americans agreed. Like any incoming President Elect, I am giving him the respect of the office. But there is something to respect. I believe it is earned, not merely bestowed.

 

[buckeye45_73]

You got crickets because many refuse to learn what the Electoral College is all about.

Hint - Only a third of the population supported succession from the Crown before the Revolutionary War.
The Electoral College is there for the citizens to overthrow an oppressive goverment that is doing our Nation harm and towards the citizens harm.
The E.C. is Set up for minorties to be able to do so against the majority.

Trump won more counties over Hillary.
Hillary lost, deal with it.

I'm not disputing the results of the election. I understand how and why the Electoral College works.

But the subject is Trump's rhetoric, specifically his credibility. His appointees seem to disavow the missions of the departments they are to head. His personal attacks on private citizens. The promises made on the campaign trail measured against his attitude on them now.

I didn't support Trump, as millions of Americans agreed. Like any incoming President Elect, I am giving him the respect of the office. But there is something to respect. I believe it is earned, not merely bestowed.

Well republicans want smaller government and less activism, so there will be conflicts. We want the Dept of Education eliminated since Reagan, so if we can't do that, we'll have someone who makes it irrelevant, but at the same time gives us vouchers and fucks public sector unions, which lets face it are an oxymoron.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It won't be LONG till we are sick of Trump!

You already are. So what's gonna change?

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Let's start with a premise. It's this: All politicians, to one extent or another, obfuscate the truth.

definition of obfuscate: being evasive, unclear, or obscure in the telling of the facts.

So, almost any politician can be selective in what he says or how he says something which is sometimes meant to conceal rather than reveal.

I can usually, but certainly not always, tell when it's happening. Senators and members of the House of Representatives are usually more blatant in "framing issues" in such a way as to make a mockery of what is actually true. Presidents and their staff are generally more circumspect in this regard due to both the sheer impact of their statements and the high degree of scrutiny their statements get both at here at home and abroad.

Frankly, to be fair, I can think of some whoppers told by every president of the modern era. Some of these false or misleading statements, one can argue, are said in the interest of national security. Others are purely self-serving. Clinton's "I-did-not-have-sex-with-that-woman..." statement immediately comes to mind.

With that said, Trump and his team seem to be charting new ground even before taking office.

What prompts me to post this is a news report I just saw about the CIA continuing to look into Russia's meddling in last month's US national election due, at least in part, to the fact that president Obama had ordered a full review to be done in this regard.

Trump team responds to report that Russia helped Trump win

At any rate, as I read the article, I saw an unattributed quote from someone on Trump's transition team. The person reportedly said the following: "The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history."

Really? I didn't think the margin was particularly large. Consequently, I decided to see if I could find out how large it really was when compared to ALL the other presidential elections from George Washington onward. Here's what I found out.

We've had 58 presidential elections over our entire history. Trump's electoral margin of victory was 46th out of 58, AND he managed to lose the popular vote by somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.7 ballots cast. So, what that means is that approximately 78% of the winners of previous elections had a higher winning margin than Trump.

List of United States presidential elections by Electoral College margin - Wikipedia

So, I can't help but ask the question again. Is this the kind of nonsense talk we can expect on a daily basis from Trump and his team? If so, the nation is going to tire of it in short order. Of that, I am sure!

Well that would explain this --

Trump's favorability jumps since election

I wouldn't put much stock in ANY favorability rating which is calculated more than a month prior to actually taking office.

I've never put any stock on Obama's "favorability" ratings...talk about a bunch of BS. it's liked they polled San Freak Show

Fine.

However, I'm going to offer a prediction that I personally think is a no-brainer.

I predict that people are going to miss (REALLY miss) no-drama Obama and his sober, reflective, calm and reassuring leadership style very soon, especially considering that Trump is SO reactive and easily (and quite obviously) agitated by even the smallest seemingly insignificant thing (Think Alec Baldwin on SNL). Trump's excitable reactive style is going to make a LOT of people very nervous simply because he's predictably unpredictable. I would liken it to having a friend who is so emotionally excitable about almost anything that you're always trying to tip toe through a conversation because you're never really sure what's going to set him off. It's tiring, and taxing. My bet is that America is going to sour on Trump in record time. That's when his fragile ego is going to shift into a self-pity mode which is going to make people long for the days of Obama and how he maturely handled adversity like a man who understood it came with the territory and that there was no point on dwelling (or should I say, obsessing) on unimportant issues that would merely serve to distract his focus from the job at hand.

People missed Bush after he left office. The previous office holder's favorability always goes up after they're gone.

 

[Iceweasel]

What prompts me to post this is a news report I just saw about the CIA continuing to look into Russia's meddling in last month's US national election due, at least in part, to the fact that president Obama had ordered a full review to be done in this regard.

Trump team responds to report that Russia helped Trump win

At any rate, as I read the article, I saw an unattributed quote from someone on Trump's transition team. The person reportedly said the following: "The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history."

Really? I didn't think the margin was particularly large. Consequently, I decided to see if I could find out how large it really was when compared to ALL the other presidential elections from George Washington onward.

Here's what I found:

We've had 58 presidential elections over our entire history. Trump's electoral margin of victory was 46th out of 58, AND he still managed to lose the popular vote by somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.7 MILLION ballots cast. So, what this all means is that approximately 78% of the winners of previous elections had a higher winning electoral margin than Trump had.

List of United States presidential elections by Electoral College margin - Wikipedia

Wikipedia is a joke and immediately identifies you as an idiot for using it for any basis for argument. But not nearly as much as going full throttle on an unattributed opinion from somebody and not an official campaign position to try to score some political cheap shot.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let's start with a premise. It's this: All politicians, to one extent or another, obfuscate the truth.

definition of obfuscate: being evasive, unclear, or obscure in the telling of the facts.

So, almost any politician can be selective in what he says or how he says something which is sometimes meant to conceal rather than reveal.

I can usually, but certainly not always, tell when it's happening. Senators and members of the House of Representatives are usually more blatant in "framing issues" in such a way as to make a mockery of what is actually true. Presidents and their staff are generally more circumspect in this regard due to both the sheer impact of their statements and the high degree of scrutiny their statements get both here at home and abroad.

Frankly, to be fair, I can think of some whoppers told by every president of the modern era. Some of these false or misleading statements, one can argue, are said in the interest of national security. Others are purely self-serving. Clinton's "I-did-not-have-sex-with-that-woman..." statement immediately comes to mind.

With that said, Trump and his team seem to be charting new ground even before taking office.

What prompts me to post this is a news report I just saw about the CIA continuing to look into Russia's meddling in last month's US national election due, at least in part, to the fact that president Obama had ordered a full review to be done in this regard.

Trump team responds to report that Russia helped Trump win

At any rate, as I read the article, I saw an unattributed quote from someone on Trump's transition team. The person reportedly said the following: "The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history."

Really? I didn't think the margin was particularly large. Consequently, I decided to see if I could find out how large it really was when compared to ALL the other presidential elections from George Washington onward.

Here's what I found:

We've had 58 presidential elections over our entire history. Trump's electoral margin of victory was 46th out of 58, AND he still managed to lose the popular vote by somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.7 MILLION ballots cast. So, what this all means is that approximately 78% of the winners of previous elections had a higher winning electoral margin than Trump had.

List of United States presidential elections by Electoral College margin - Wikipedia

So, I can't help but ask the question again. Is this the kind of nonsense talk we can expect on a daily basis from Trump and his team? If so, the nation is going to tire of it in short order. Of that, I am sure!

I have a thread on just this from earlier today.

The reason the Trump camp is now going to lie about anything and everything whenever the lie suits them better than the truth is that that is Trump's act,

and he's the only one they have to be accountable to.

The fish rots from head down. The bloated orange wispy corn tasseled head down.

 

[PredFan]

Let's start with a premise. It's this: All politicians, to one extent or another, obfuscate the truth.

definition of obfuscate: being evasive, unclear, or obscure in the telling of the facts.

So, almost any politician can be selective in what he says or how he says something which is sometimes meant to conceal rather than reveal.

I can usually, but certainly not always, tell when it's happening. Senators and members of the House of Representatives are usually more blatant in "framing issues" in such a way as to make a mockery of what is actually true. Presidents and their staff are generally more circumspect in this regard due to both the sheer impact of their statements and the high degree of scrutiny their statements get both here at home and abroad.

Frankly, to be fair, I can think of some whoppers told by every president of the modern era. Some of these false or misleading statements, one can argue, are said in the interest of national security. Others are purely self-serving. Clinton's "I-did-not-have-sex-with-that-woman..." statement immediately comes to mind.

With that said, Trump and his team seem to be charting new ground even before taking office.

What prompts me to post this is a news report I just saw about the CIA continuing to look into Russia's meddling in last month's US national election due, at least in part, to the fact that president Obama had ordered a full review to be done in this regard.

Trump team responds to report that Russia helped Trump win

At any rate, as I read the article, I saw an unattributed quote from someone on Trump's transition team. The person reportedly said the following: "The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history."

Really? I didn't think the margin was particularly large. Consequently, I decided to see if I could find out how large it really was when compared to ALL the other presidential elections from George Washington onward.

Here's what I found:

We've had 58 presidential elections over our entire history. Trump's electoral margin of victory was 46th out of 58, AND he still managed to lose the popular vote by somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.7 MILLION ballots cast. So, what this all means is that approximately 78% of the winners of previous elections had a higher winning electoral margin than Trump had.

List of United States presidential elections by Electoral College margin - Wikipedia

So, I can't help but ask the question again. Is this the kind of nonsense talk we can expect on a daily basis from Trump and his team? If so, the nation is going to tire of it in short order. Of that, I am sure!

That is nothing compared to the nonsense, lies, and fake news we have been getting from the left since the election and will get throughout Trumps 8 years as president.

 

[OldLady]

You got crickets because many refuse to learn what the Electoral College is all about.

Hint - Only a third of the population supported succession from the Crown before the Revolutionary War.
The Electoral College is there for the citizens to overthrow an oppressive goverment that is doing our Nation harm and towards the citizens harm.
The E.C. is Set up for minorties to be able to do so against the majority.

Trump won more counties over Hillary.
Hillary lost, deal with it.

I have no problem with it, Peach. But it was not a landslide of historic proportions. Perhaps the word he wants is "upset" ? Maybe it was an upset of historic proportions. But EC wise, he didn't do so hot. Which is fine, he still won, but the POINT is, why is he flat out making shit up?

 

[Nosmo King]

You got crickets because many refuse to learn what the Electoral College is all about.

Hint - Only a third of the population supported succession from the Crown before the Revolutionary War.
The Electoral College is there for the citizens to overthrow an oppressive goverment that is doing our Nation harm and towards the citizens harm.
The E.C. is Set up for minorties to be able to do so against the majority.

Trump won more counties over Hillary.
Hillary lost, deal with it.

I'm not disputing the results of the election. I understand how and why the Electoral College works.

But the subject is Trump's rhetoric, specifically his credibility. His appointees seem to disavow the missions of the departments they are to head. His personal attacks on private citizens. The promises made on the campaign trail measured against his attitude on them now.

I didn't support Trump, as millions of Americans agreed. Like any incoming President Elect, I am giving him the respect of the office. But there is something to respect. I believe it is earned, not merely bestowed.

Well republicans want smaller government and less activism, so there will be conflicts. We want the Dept of Education eliminated since Reagan, so if we can't do that, we'll have someone who makes it irrelevant, but at the same time gives us vouchers and fucks public sector unions, which lets face it are an oxymoron.

Are Public Sector workers the bad guys? Why are so many Conservatives so interested in screwing people who work for a living?

 

[peach174]

You got crickets because many refuse to learn what the Electoral College is all about.

Hint - Only a third of the population supported succession from the Crown before the Revolutionary War.
The Electoral College is there for the citizens to overthrow an oppressive goverment that is doing our Nation harm and towards the citizens harm.
The E.C. is Set up for minorties to be able to do so against the majority.

Trump won more counties over Hillary.
Hillary lost, deal with it.

I have no problem with it, Peach. But it was not a landslide of historic proportions. Perhaps the word he wants is "upset" ? Maybe it was an upset of historic proportions. But EC wise, he didn't do so hot. Which is fine, he still won, but the POINT is, why is he flat out making shit up?

He's a CEO not a polititian, not a community organizer, not a lawyer.

 

[buckeye45_73]

You got crickets because many refuse to learn what the Electoral College is all about.

Hint - Only a third of the population supported succession from the Crown before the Revolutionary War.
The Electoral College is there for the citizens to overthrow an oppressive goverment that is doing our Nation harm and towards the citizens harm.
The E.C. is Set up for minorties to be able to do so against the majority.

Trump won more counties over Hillary.
Hillary lost, deal with it.

I'm not disputing the results of the election. I understand how and why the Electoral College works.

But the subject is Trump's rhetoric, specifically his credibility. His appointees seem to disavow the missions of the departments they are to head. His personal attacks on private citizens. The promises made on the campaign trail measured against his attitude on them now.

I didn't support Trump, as millions of Americans agreed. Like any incoming President Elect, I am giving him the respect of the office. But there is something to respect. I believe it is earned, not merely bestowed.

Well republicans want smaller government and less activism, so there will be conflicts. We want the Dept of Education eliminated since Reagan, so if we can't do that, we'll have someone who makes it irrelevant, but at the same time gives us vouchers and fucks public sector unions, which lets face it are an oxymoron.

Are Public Sector workers the bad guys? Why are so many Conservatives so interested in screwing people who work for a living?

Because:
1) they are redundant and not needed
2) they make regulations to justify their existance
3) they cost alot of money



And the most important reason!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4) Id rather they have private sector jobs to contribute to taxes rather than take from taxes

 

[peach174]

You got crickets because many refuse to learn what the Electoral College is all about.

Hint - Only a third of the population supported succession from the Crown before the Revolutionary War.
The Electoral College is there for the citizens to overthrow an oppressive goverment that is doing our Nation harm and towards the citizens harm.
The E.C. is Set up for minorties to be able to do so against the majority.

Trump won more counties over Hillary.
Hillary lost, deal with it.

I have no problem with it, Peach. But it was not a landslide of historic proportions. Perhaps the word he wants is "upset" ? Maybe it was an upset of historic proportions. But EC wise, he didn't do so hot. Which is fine, he still won, but the POINT is, why is he flat out making shit up?

To Republicans it was a landslide of historic proportions.
It's a different viewpoint taking in the whole context of the statement of everything. It was a movement.
Not a lie , a different way of looking at things.
You know like yin and yang.

 

[peach174]

You got crickets because many refuse to learn what the Electoral College is all about.

Hint - Only a third of the population supported succession from the Crown before the Revolutionary War.
The Electoral College is there for the citizens to overthrow an oppressive goverment that is doing our Nation harm and towards the citizens harm.
The E.C. is Set up for minorties to be able to do so against the majority.

Trump won more counties over Hillary.
Hillary lost, deal with it.

I'm not disputing the results of the election. I understand how and why the Electoral College works.

But the subject is Trump's rhetoric, specifically his credibility. His appointees seem to disavow the missions of the departments they are to head. His personal attacks on private citizens. The promises made on the campaign trail measured against his attitude on them now.

I didn't support Trump, as millions of Americans agreed. Like any incoming President Elect, I am giving him the respect of the office. But there is something to respect. I believe it is earned, not merely bestowed.

Well republicans want smaller government and less activism, so there will be conflicts. We want the Dept of Education eliminated since Reagan, so if we can't do that, we'll have someone who makes it irrelevant, but at the same time gives us vouchers and fucks public sector unions, which lets face it are an oxymoron.

Are Public Sector workers the bad guys? Why are so many Conservatives so interested in screwing people who work for a living?

Because:
1) they are redundant and not needed
2) they make regulations to justify their existance
3) they cost alot of money



And the most important reason!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4) Id rather they have private sector jobs to contribute to taxes rather than take from taxes

Thats it right there in a nut shell.
We're being forced to be takers rather that givers.
A lady caller on cspan said that too.

 

[buckeye45_73]

You got crickets because many refuse to learn what the Electoral College is all about.

Hint - Only a third of the population supported succession from the Crown before the Revolutionary War.
The Electoral College is there for the citizens to overthrow an oppressive goverment that is doing our Nation harm and towards the citizens harm.
The E.C. is Set up for minorties to be able to do so against the majority.

Trump won more counties over Hillary.
Hillary lost, deal with it.

I'm not disputing the results of the election. I understand how and why the Electoral College works.

But the subject is Trump's rhetoric, specifically his credibility. His appointees seem to disavow the missions of the departments they are to head. His personal attacks on private citizens. The promises made on the campaign trail measured against his attitude on them now.

I didn't support Trump, as millions of Americans agreed. Like any incoming President Elect, I am giving him the respect of the office. But there is something to respect. I believe it is earned, not merely bestowed.

Well republicans want smaller government and less activism, so there will be conflicts. We want the Dept of Education eliminated since Reagan, so if we can't do that, we'll have someone who makes it irrelevant, but at the same time gives us vouchers and fucks public sector unions, which lets face it are an oxymoron.

Are Public Sector workers the bad guys? Why are so many Conservatives so interested in screwing people who work for a living?

Because:
1) they are redundant and not needed
2) they make regulations to justify their existance
3) they cost alot of money



And the most important reason!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4) Id rather they have private sector jobs to contribute to taxes rather than take from taxes

Thats it right there in a nut shell.
We're being forced to be takers rather that givers.
A lady caller on cspan said that too.

Yep and its true, no way to argue it.

 

[OldLady]

You got crickets because many refuse to learn what the Electoral College is all about.

Hint - Only a third of the population supported succession from the Crown before the Revolutionary War.
The Electoral College is there for the citizens to overthrow an oppressive goverment that is doing our Nation harm and towards the citizens harm.
The E.C. is Set up for minorties to be able to do so against the majority.

Trump won more counties over Hillary.
Hillary lost, deal with it.

I have no problem with it, Peach. But it was not a landslide of historic proportions. Perhaps the word he wants is "upset" ? Maybe it was an upset of historic proportions. But EC wise, he didn't do so hot. Which is fine, he still won, but the POINT is, why is he flat out making shit up?

He's a CEO not a polititian, not a community organizer, not a lawyer.

That makes no sense. I'm none of the things above, either, but I know common English.

 

[Nosmo King]

You got crickets because many refuse to learn what the Electoral College is all about.

Hint - Only a third of the population supported succession from the Crown before the Revolutionary War.
The Electoral College is there for the citizens to overthrow an oppressive goverment that is doing our Nation harm and towards the citizens harm.
The E.C. is Set up for minorties to be able to do so against the majority.

Trump won more counties over Hillary.
Hillary lost, deal with it.

I'm not disputing the results of the election. I understand how and why the Electoral College works.

But the subject is Trump's rhetoric, specifically his credibility. His appointees seem to disavow the missions of the departments they are to head. His personal attacks on private citizens. The promises made on the campaign trail measured against his attitude on them now.

I didn't support Trump, as millions of Americans agreed. Like any incoming President Elect, I am giving him the respect of the office. But there is something to respect. I believe it is earned, not merely bestowed.

Well republicans want smaller government and less activism, so there will be conflicts. We want the Dept of Education eliminated since Reagan, so if we can't do that, we'll have someone who makes it irrelevant, but at the same time gives us vouchers and fucks public sector unions, which lets face it are an oxymoron.

Are Public Sector workers the bad guys? Why are so many Conservatives so interested in screwing people who work for a living?

Because:
1) they are redundant and not needed
2) they make regulations to justify their existance
3) they cost alot of money



And the most important reason!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4) Id rather they have private sector jobs to contribute to taxes rather than take from taxes

I am a Public Sector worker. I have been the Building Code Inspector for my county for the past fourteen years. I have never enacted any regulation nor advocated for an enactment of any new regulations since I took this position. I pay federal, state and local taxes. My earnings are not tax free. I have not had a raise in salary for fourteen months when I received my first raise in six years. I was given a 5% raise. My retirement account, OPERS or Ohio Public Employee Retirement Service, has been reworked twice under Republican governors. My retirement age has been delayed until I'm 67. I'll be 60 next month.

I show up to work every day. I'm on roofs, in pits formerly containing leaking underground storage tanks, in asbestos containing building materials in crawl spaces, in slum properties so contaminated by debris as to render them uninhabitable. I work hard.

The work I do keeps people safe, helps prevent insurance claims, increases the property value of the building and its neighborhood. No private sector company does what I do. My professional seal on my work places me at a degree of liability.

My department runs on 3% of the county budget. The value we bring in terms of health and safety and property value is emensce in comparison of our costs.

So, you see, you're arguing from anecdote and I'm arguing from a front seat. I can claim you're wrong on all four points of your premise.

I am not redundant because the private sector offers no alternative.

I have never enacted a single regulation.

I make the county wealthier as a result of my work while costing the county 3% in taxpayer expenditures.

I pay federal, state and local taxes from my salary.

 

[buckeye45_73]

You got crickets because many refuse to learn what the Electoral College is all about.

Hint - Only a third of the population supported succession from the Crown before the Revolutionary War.
The Electoral College is there for the citizens to overthrow an oppressive goverment that is doing our Nation harm and towards the citizens harm.
The E.C. is Set up for minorties to be able to do so against the majority.

Trump won more counties over Hillary.
Hillary lost, deal with it.

I'm not disputing the results of the election. I understand how and why the Electoral College works.

But the subject is Trump's rhetoric, specifically his credibility. His appointees seem to disavow the missions of the departments they are to head. His personal attacks on private citizens. The promises made on the campaign trail measured against his attitude on them now.

I didn't support Trump, as millions of Americans agreed. Like any incoming President Elect, I am giving him the respect of the office. But there is something to respect. I believe it is earned, not merely bestowed.

Well republicans want smaller government and less activism, so there will be conflicts. We want the Dept of Education eliminated since Reagan, so if we can't do that, we'll have someone who makes it irrelevant, but at the same time gives us vouchers and fucks public sector unions, which lets face it are an oxymoron.

Are Public Sector workers the bad guys? Why are so many Conservatives so interested in screwing people who work for a living?

Because:
1) they are redundant and not needed
2) they make regulations to justify their existance
3) they cost alot of money



And the most important reason!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4) Id rather they have private sector jobs to contribute to taxes rather than take from taxes

I am a Public Sector worker. I have been the Building Code Inspector for my county for the past fourteen years. I have never enacted any regulation nor advocated for an enactment of any new regulations since I took this position. I pay federal, state and local taxes. My earnings are not tax free. I have not had a raise in salary for fourteen months when I received my first raise in six years. I was given a 5% raise. My retirement account, OPERS or Ohio Public Employee Retirement Service, has been reworked twice under Republican governors. My retirement age has been delayed until I'm 67. I'll be 60 next month.

I show up to work every day. I'm on roofs, in pits formerly containing leaking underground storage tanks, in asbestos containing building materials in crawl spaces, in slum properties so contaminated by debris as to render them uninhabitable. I work hard.

The work I do keeps people safe, helps prevent insurance claims, increases the property value of the building and its neighborhood. No private sector company does what I do. My professional seal on my work places me at a degree of liability.

My department runs on 3% of the county budget. The value we bring in terms of health and safety and property value is emensce in comparison of our costs.

So, you see, you're arguing from anecdote and I'm arguing from a front seat. I can claim you're wrong on all four points of your premise.

I am not redundant because the private sector offers no alternative.

I have never enacted a single regulation.

I make the county wealthier as a result of my work while costing the county 3% in taxpayer expenditures.

I pay federal, state and local taxes from my salary.

Well good for you, are you saying that every govt employee is needed? and provides that much value or that they are all unbiased objective people?
you do realize that when the pubs took the house in 94, they still have elevator operators, for automatic elevators and people who brought buckets of ice?
What does the Dept of Education do? It should be eliminated for one example.

 

[RealDave]

You got crickets because many refuse to learn what the Electoral College is all about.

Hint - Only a third of the population supported succession from the Crown before the Revolutionary War.
The Electoral College is there for the citizens to overthrow an oppressive goverment that is doing our Nation harm and towards the citizens harm.
The E.C. is Set up for minorties to be able to do so against the majority.

Trump won more counties over Hillary.
Hillary lost, deal with it.

Nice try buttweed but Trump said his electoral victory was among the top ones ever.

 

[RealDave]

Duri g the election, the Republicans justified Trump's hatespeak by aying that it was just election talk. It would be different if he won.

Well he won, & he is still lying, spreading hate & having to retaliate every time a negative story about him comes out.story.

The CIA investigates Russian influence & Trump calls them all liars & incompetent.

Yep, that is more like 5th grader talk - not Presidential.