Is the Pope slamming Islam for what the Vatican and Christianity used to do?

[GreatestIam]

Jesus has many missing years, but no , sinse he was God in the flesh, he had no sexual desires. (also in those days the Jews married the young as well)

Jesus had no sexual desires? I thought one of the whole points of Jesus was for God to experience what it meant to be human. Jesus endured many temptations. They wouldn't be temptations if they were not something he desired. Jesus was the Son of God, yes, but he was also a man and experienced life as a man. He had desires just like anyone else.

If Jesus was the son of God and he knew it then it would be impossible to experience things the way a lowly man would.

Like if you were a millionaire slumming downtown for a week. Would you know what it was really like to be poor or would you just know what it is like to act poor for a week?

Further, how can scriptures say this if Jesus is God.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Note the we. A monotheist God would say I.

You can use your foolish Trinity concept that was forced down Christianity's throat by Constantine but then you would have to do the impossible and explain it in an understandable way.

Regards
DL

Well first of all, the concept of Jesus being God incarnate developed over time. John was written long after the other three gospels and it really portrays Jesus in a far different light than the other three do. In fact if you read the gospels in the order they were written instead of the order in which they appear in the Bible (and read the authentic letters of Paul first) you can get a really good feel for how the story of Jesus and what He represents develops.

John isn't my favorite. It tends to be a favorite among modern Christians because it's a lot more inspirational (at least I would argue that it is), but I tend to think that there is a lot more "shining things up" so to speak in John. I prefer Mark myself although that can be frustrating too as the way it was written is really bad.

Yes. Christians took a long time to develop their lies.

Regards
DL

Yeah...ok....you know...whatever. Not sure what the source of your hostility is regarding the subject but clearly it eats at you. I imagine you would probably be a lot happier if you just shrugged your shoulders and let people believe what they want.

If you can and just let people think they can kill gays and children whom they think are witches then you do not have much of a social conscience.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

I guess you have yet to note that there is a lot of material coming out that indicates that Jesus was married to Mary Magdelaine.

As a Jewish Rabbi he would have been forced to have a wife.

Regards
DL

That's not true. It would have been unusual for a Rabbi not to have a wife but it was by no means mandatory. You also have to remember that there were a lot more men than women in antiquity because so many women died in childbirth so it was impossible for all men to have a wife. The material about Jesus having married Magdalene makes a great story for the DaVinci Code, but there's very little evidence to support it. About all we know about Magdalene was that she was a financial supporter of Jesus' ministry which meant she was an independently wealthy woman, she followed Jesus with several other women who also supported His ministry financially, and that she (either alone or with others depending on which gospel you read) found the tomb of Jesus empty. That's about it.

All the stuff about her being the wife of Jesus or a prostitute and all that...that was all crap that was made up centuries later.

There is little evidence to support anything written in your book of myths.

If you deny that it is all myth then show any piece if evidence, --- knowing that nothing has emerged of a miracle worker in history. If there was one we would all know it.

Trust this talking snake on that and grow up and put away childish thinking. Literalism like yours is what gave us the Dark Ages and your still in it.

Regards
DL

Oh I think a lot of it is myth. Garden of Eden: myth. Genesis 1 regarding creation: myth. Noah and the flood: myth. Trust me I am far from a literalist. But there are also some good lessons in there that can have a positive impact on one's life and society in general.

Take for example the famous story of Jesus and the woman taken in adultery. Probably my favorite story about Jesus and sadly it probably never happened. That story did not start appearing in John (there's John again) until about the 5th century so it was a story that made its rounds in the oral tradition and someone popped it in later. Well the authenticity is not what's important. It's the lesson suggested by the story that is important: "everyone fucks up at some point in their life so don't be so judgmental in regards to someone who has made a bad choice." Great piece of advice even if historically the event itself never occurred.

One last point is that I remind you that absence of evidence not mean evidence of absence. God cannot be proven to exist, but neither can He be disproven. Believe it, don't believe it...it doesn't matter much to me at least so whatever gives you happiness and meaning you should go with and allow others to do the same.

I agree to a point.


For the evils of religion to grow, read any scripture literally.


Any and all harmless beliefs are allowed by Gnostic Christians. We know that any myth can be internalized for good results and as esoteric ecumenists, we enjoy knowledge of all the myths that man has created about Gods.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D


When there is a victim is when that view changes. Then you see why Christianity annihilated Gnostic Christianity. We do not let the evils of forced literalism go unopposed. To a tyrant like Constantine, we were poison. One of his first commands to his new Church was to kill off the free thinkers and of course, his new tool, his Church, did as bid. It was quite a ride for free thought for the next 1,000 years.


How can a Gnostic Christian, --- and any other free thinking moral person, --- not judge other's morals when seeing someone hurt other because of the same Church's teachings today?


Can you ignore such things if you have decent morals? Impossible. Especially with Islam pulling the same murderous, freedom stifling ****.


We must discriminate and judge constantly. Every law is a compulsion on all of us to judge.


It is my view that all right wing literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists, --- as well as those who do not believe. Literalists hurt their parent religions --- and everyone else, be he a believer or not. Literalists and the right wing of religions make us all into laughing stocks. Their God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution has got to go. So must beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic. These are all evil.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2zhlDbMfDg


They also do much harm to their own fellow adherents.


African witches and Jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI


Jesus Camp 1of 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac


Death to Gays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyuKLyGUHNE


For evil to grow my friend, all good people need do is nothing. Fight literalism when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.


Regards

DL

Well the whole point is that it's not supposed to be taken literally and many of the things you point out are not supported by the Bible. The death to gays crap, just as an example, isn't supported by the Bible, it's supported by nuts. What you are talking about are extremists who twist the Bible, read it selectively, or lack understanding of what it actually says. Granted that happens a lot but it seems to me that your beef ought to be with people who, either through simple ignorance or malicious intent, use scripture in a manner in which it was not intended.

You are talking about all literal readers of myths.

As you say, there are many and that is why Christianity and Islam are evil religions and why good people will fight them when they can.

Regards
DL

 

[BluePhantom]

That's not true. It would have been unusual for a Rabbi not to have a wife but it was by no means mandatory. You also have to remember that there were a lot more men than women in antiquity because so many women died in childbirth so it was impossible for all men to have a wife. The material about Jesus having married Magdalene makes a great story for the DaVinci Code, but there's very little evidence to support it. About all we know about Magdalene was that she was a financial supporter of Jesus' ministry which meant she was an independently wealthy woman, she followed Jesus with several other women who also supported His ministry financially, and that she (either alone or with others depending on which gospel you read) found the tomb of Jesus empty. That's about it.

All the stuff about her being the wife of Jesus or a prostitute and all that...that was all crap that was made up centuries later.

There is little evidence to support anything written in your book of myths.

If you deny that it is all myth then show any piece if evidence, --- knowing that nothing has emerged of a miracle worker in history. If there was one we would all know it.

Trust this talking snake on that and grow up and put away childish thinking. Literalism like yours is what gave us the Dark Ages and your still in it.

Regards
DL

Oh I think a lot of it is myth. Garden of Eden: myth. Genesis 1 regarding creation: myth. Noah and the flood: myth. Trust me I am far from a literalist. But there are also some good lessons in there that can have a positive impact on one's life and society in general.

Take for example the famous story of Jesus and the woman taken in adultery. Probably my favorite story about Jesus and sadly it probably never happened. That story did not start appearing in John (there's John again) until about the 5th century so it was a story that made its rounds in the oral tradition and someone popped it in later. Well the authenticity is not what's important. It's the lesson suggested by the story that is important: "everyone fucks up at some point in their life so don't be so judgmental in regards to someone who has made a bad choice." Great piece of advice even if historically the event itself never occurred.

One last point is that I remind you that absence of evidence not mean evidence of absence. God cannot be proven to exist, but neither can He be disproven. Believe it, don't believe it...it doesn't matter much to me at least so whatever gives you happiness and meaning you should go with and allow others to do the same.

I agree to a point.


For the evils of religion to grow, read any scripture literally.


Any and all harmless beliefs are allowed by Gnostic Christians. We know that any myth can be internalized for good results and as esoteric ecumenists, we enjoy knowledge of all the myths that man has created about Gods.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D


When there is a victim is when that view changes. Then you see why Christianity annihilated Gnostic Christianity. We do not let the evils of forced literalism go unopposed. To a tyrant like Constantine, we were poison. One of his first commands to his new Church was to kill off the free thinkers and of course, his new tool, his Church, did as bid. It was quite a ride for free thought for the next 1,000 years.


How can a Gnostic Christian, --- and any other free thinking moral person, --- not judge other's morals when seeing someone hurt other because of the same Church's teachings today?


Can you ignore such things if you have decent morals? Impossible. Especially with Islam pulling the same murderous, freedom stifling ****.


We must discriminate and judge constantly. Every law is a compulsion on all of us to judge.


It is my view that all right wing literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists, --- as well as those who do not believe. Literalists hurt their parent religions --- and everyone else, be he a believer or not. Literalists and the right wing of religions make us all into laughing stocks. Their God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution has got to go. So must beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic. These are all evil.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2zhlDbMfDg


They also do much harm to their own fellow adherents.


African witches and Jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI


Jesus Camp 1of 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac


Death to Gays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyuKLyGUHNE


For evil to grow my friend, all good people need do is nothing. Fight literalism when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.


Regards

DL

Well the whole point is that it's not supposed to be taken literally and many of the things you point out are not supported by the Bible. The death to gays crap, just as an example, isn't supported by the Bible, it's supported by nuts. What you are talking about are extremists who twist the Bible, read it selectively, or lack understanding of what it actually says. Granted that happens a lot but it seems to me that your beef ought to be with people who, either through simple ignorance or malicious intent, use scripture in a manner in which it was not intended.

You are talking about all literal readers of myths.

As you say, there are many and that is why Christianity and Islam are evil religions and why good people will fight them when they can.

Regards
DL

No. What you are doing is trying to correlate an entire religion with a small sample of extremists who don't know what they are talking about (or in a worst case scenario do know what they are talking about and don't care). The idiots who support killing gays, for example, and try to base it on the Bible completely and totally misunderstand what the Bible says on the subject (which frankly isn't much). Most people who support such actions base it on Leviticus 18 or 19, but they focus in on one single verse (such as 18:22) and completely ignore the context. When you put those verses into their proper context, read them in Hebrew instead of English, and apply the cultural considerations of the ancient Hebrews one will discover that that is not what Leviticus is talking about. And even if you conclude it is, you have to totally ignore that Leviticus only applies to Jews who live in the Holy Land. So if you are not a Jew or you are a Jew but you live somewhere other than Israel, you can toss Leviticus over your shoulder. Leviticus has absolutely no bearing on someone living in Tennessee or LA in 2015 for example. It just doesn't apply.

So yeah I agree with you that murdering in the name of God or Allah or committing other atrocities in their name should be opposed, but those are not Christians.....those are fucking lunatics. It's important to note the difference.

 

[theword]

Is the Pope slamming Islam for what the Vatican and Christianity used to do?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-pope-slams-deviant-forms-of-religion-in-wake-of-paris-attacks-9971981.html

Compare the tactics of Islam to those of Christianity when it ushered in the Dark Ages and Inquisition.



Are those tactics and ways not the same and does that not say that all idol worshipping religions, especially Christianity and Islam are evil?

Regards
DL

Neither Christians nor Muslims know how deceived they really are by what they observe in this universe.

 

[theword]

what year is it again???? Was Jesus a Pedo like Mohammed?

Jesus has many missing years, but no , sinse he was God in the flesh, he had no sexual desires. (also in those days the Jews married the young as well)

Being the Word of God makes us appear to be God in the flesh. The flesh is only an illusion that isn't real but God's voice is real.

 

[GreatestIam]

There is little evidence to support anything written in your book of myths.

If you deny that it is all myth then show any piece if evidence, --- knowing that nothing has emerged of a miracle worker in history. If there was one we would all know it.

Trust this talking snake on that and grow up and put away childish thinking. Literalism like yours is what gave us the Dark Ages and your still in it.

Regards
DL

Oh I think a lot of it is myth. Garden of Eden: myth. Genesis 1 regarding creation: myth. Noah and the flood: myth. Trust me I am far from a literalist. But there are also some good lessons in there that can have a positive impact on one's life and society in general.

Take for example the famous story of Jesus and the woman taken in adultery. Probably my favorite story about Jesus and sadly it probably never happened. That story did not start appearing in John (there's John again) until about the 5th century so it was a story that made its rounds in the oral tradition and someone popped it in later. Well the authenticity is not what's important. It's the lesson suggested by the story that is important: "everyone fucks up at some point in their life so don't be so judgmental in regards to someone who has made a bad choice." Great piece of advice even if historically the event itself never occurred.

One last point is that I remind you that absence of evidence not mean evidence of absence. God cannot be proven to exist, but neither can He be disproven. Believe it, don't believe it...it doesn't matter much to me at least so whatever gives you happiness and meaning you should go with and allow others to do the same.

I agree to a point.


For the evils of religion to grow, read any scripture literally.


Any and all harmless beliefs are allowed by Gnostic Christians. We know that any myth can be internalized for good results and as esoteric ecumenists, we enjoy knowledge of all the myths that man has created about Gods.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D


When there is a victim is when that view changes. Then you see why Christianity annihilated Gnostic Christianity. We do not let the evils of forced literalism go unopposed. To a tyrant like Constantine, we were poison. One of his first commands to his new Church was to kill off the free thinkers and of course, his new tool, his Church, did as bid. It was quite a ride for free thought for the next 1,000 years.


How can a Gnostic Christian, --- and any other free thinking moral person, --- not judge other's morals when seeing someone hurt other because of the same Church's teachings today?


Can you ignore such things if you have decent morals? Impossible. Especially with Islam pulling the same murderous, freedom stifling ****.


We must discriminate and judge constantly. Every law is a compulsion on all of us to judge.


It is my view that all right wing literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists, --- as well as those who do not believe. Literalists hurt their parent religions --- and everyone else, be he a believer or not. Literalists and the right wing of religions make us all into laughing stocks. Their God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution has got to go. So must beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic. These are all evil.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2zhlDbMfDg


They also do much harm to their own fellow adherents.


African witches and Jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI


Jesus Camp 1of 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac


Death to Gays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyuKLyGUHNE


For evil to grow my friend, all good people need do is nothing. Fight literalism when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.


Regards

DL

Well the whole point is that it's not supposed to be taken literally and many of the things you point out are not supported by the Bible. The death to gays crap, just as an example, isn't supported by the Bible, it's supported by nuts. What you are talking about are extremists who twist the Bible, read it selectively, or lack understanding of what it actually says. Granted that happens a lot but it seems to me that your beef ought to be with people who, either through simple ignorance or malicious intent, use scripture in a manner in which it was not intended.

You are talking about all literal readers of myths.

As you say, there are many and that is why Christianity and Islam are evil religions and why good people will fight them when they can.

Regards
DL

No. What you are doing is trying to correlate an entire religion with a small sample of extremists who don't know what they are talking about (or in a worst case scenario do know what they are talking about and don't care). The idiots who support killing gays, for example, and try to base it on the Bible completely and totally misunderstand what the Bible says on the subject (which frankly isn't much). Most people who support such actions base it on Leviticus 18 or 19, but they focus in on one single verse (such as 18:22) and completely ignore the context. When you put those verses into their proper context, read them in Hebrew instead of English, and apply the cultural considerations of the ancient Hebrews one will discover that that is not what Leviticus is talking about. And even if you conclude it is, you have to totally ignore that Leviticus only applies to Jews who live in the Holy Land. So if you are not a Jew or you are a Jew but you live somewhere other than Israel, you can toss Leviticus over your shoulder. Leviticus has absolutely no bearing on someone living in Tennessee or LA in 2015 for example. It just doesn't apply.

So yeah I agree with you that murdering in the name of God or Allah or committing other atrocities in their name should be opposed, but those are not Christians.....those are fucking lunatics. It's important to note the difference.

Text does not trump tradition fed by priests and imam's.

Christianity and Islam are both misogynistic religions who make second class citizens of women and also discriminate against gays without just cause. They have both retarded man's civilizing efforts.

Equality is being denied to half the world thanks to the fact that they collectively are the vast majority.

Do you think that to be good or evil?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Is the Pope slamming Islam for what the Vatican and Christianity used to do?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-pope-slams-deviant-forms-of-religion-in-wake-of-paris-attacks-9971981.html

Compare the tactics of Islam to those of Christianity when it ushered in the Dark Ages and Inquisition.



Are those tactics and ways not the same and does that not say that all idol worshipping religions, especially Christianity and Islam are evil?

Regards
DL

Neither Christians nor Muslims know how deceived they really are by what they observe in this universe.

True and you who says you know are not helping us tell them.

Get with it as time is a wasting.

If you need help the ask. I am here for you but not if you just continue as you have been doing and accomplishing nothing.

Regards
DL

 

[haissem123]

Is the Pope slamming Islam for what the Vatican and Christianity used to do?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-pope-slams-deviant-forms-of-religion-in-wake-of-paris-attacks-9971981.html

Compare the tactics of Islam to those of Christianity when it ushered in the Dark Ages and Inquisition.



Are those tactics and ways not the same and does that not say that all idol worshipping religions, especially Christianity and Islam are evil?

Regards
DL

why do you say Christianity and Islam especially? Don't they all do it whenever they get a chance? For God or country or half and half too, right? nothing new

 

[BluePhantom]

Oh I think a lot of it is myth. Garden of Eden: myth. Genesis 1 regarding creation: myth. Noah and the flood: myth. Trust me I am far from a literalist. But there are also some good lessons in there that can have a positive impact on one's life and society in general.

Take for example the famous story of Jesus and the woman taken in adultery. Probably my favorite story about Jesus and sadly it probably never happened. That story did not start appearing in John (there's John again) until about the 5th century so it was a story that made its rounds in the oral tradition and someone popped it in later. Well the authenticity is not what's important. It's the lesson suggested by the story that is important: "everyone fucks up at some point in their life so don't be so judgmental in regards to someone who has made a bad choice." Great piece of advice even if historically the event itself never occurred.

One last point is that I remind you that absence of evidence not mean evidence of absence. God cannot be proven to exist, but neither can He be disproven. Believe it, don't believe it...it doesn't matter much to me at least so whatever gives you happiness and meaning you should go with and allow others to do the same.

I agree to a point.


For the evils of religion to grow, read any scripture literally.


Any and all harmless beliefs are allowed by Gnostic Christians. We know that any myth can be internalized for good results and as esoteric ecumenists, we enjoy knowledge of all the myths that man has created about Gods.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D


When there is a victim is when that view changes. Then you see why Christianity annihilated Gnostic Christianity. We do not let the evils of forced literalism go unopposed. To a tyrant like Constantine, we were poison. One of his first commands to his new Church was to kill off the free thinkers and of course, his new tool, his Church, did as bid. It was quite a ride for free thought for the next 1,000 years.


How can a Gnostic Christian, --- and any other free thinking moral person, --- not judge other's morals when seeing someone hurt other because of the same Church's teachings today?


Can you ignore such things if you have decent morals? Impossible. Especially with Islam pulling the same murderous, freedom stifling ****.


We must discriminate and judge constantly. Every law is a compulsion on all of us to judge.


It is my view that all right wing literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists, --- as well as those who do not believe. Literalists hurt their parent religions --- and everyone else, be he a believer or not. Literalists and the right wing of religions make us all into laughing stocks. Their God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution has got to go. So must beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic. These are all evil.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2zhlDbMfDg


They also do much harm to their own fellow adherents.


African witches and Jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI


Jesus Camp 1of 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac


Death to Gays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyuKLyGUHNE


For evil to grow my friend, all good people need do is nothing. Fight literalism when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.


Regards

DL

Well the whole point is that it's not supposed to be taken literally and many of the things you point out are not supported by the Bible. The death to gays crap, just as an example, isn't supported by the Bible, it's supported by nuts. What you are talking about are extremists who twist the Bible, read it selectively, or lack understanding of what it actually says. Granted that happens a lot but it seems to me that your beef ought to be with people who, either through simple ignorance or malicious intent, use scripture in a manner in which it was not intended.

You are talking about all literal readers of myths.

As you say, there are many and that is why Christianity and Islam are evil religions and why good people will fight them when they can.

Regards
DL

No. What you are doing is trying to correlate an entire religion with a small sample of extremists who don't know what they are talking about (or in a worst case scenario do know what they are talking about and don't care). The idiots who support killing gays, for example, and try to base it on the Bible completely and totally misunderstand what the Bible says on the subject (which frankly isn't much). Most people who support such actions base it on Leviticus 18 or 19, but they focus in on one single verse (such as 18:22) and completely ignore the context. When you put those verses into their proper context, read them in Hebrew instead of English, and apply the cultural considerations of the ancient Hebrews one will discover that that is not what Leviticus is talking about. And even if you conclude it is, you have to totally ignore that Leviticus only applies to Jews who live in the Holy Land. So if you are not a Jew or you are a Jew but you live somewhere other than Israel, you can toss Leviticus over your shoulder. Leviticus has absolutely no bearing on someone living in Tennessee or LA in 2015 for example. It just doesn't apply.

So yeah I agree with you that murdering in the name of God or Allah or committing other atrocities in their name should be opposed, but those are not Christians.....those are fucking lunatics. It's important to note the difference.

Text does not trump tradition fed by priests and imam's.

Christianity and Islam are both misogynistic religions who make second class citizens of women and also discriminate against gays without just cause. They have both retarded man's civilizing efforts.

Equality is being denied to half the world thanks to the fact that they collectively are the vast majority.

Do you think that to be good or evil?

Regards
DL

Christian tradition is misogynistic and anti-gay. The Bible is not. Again, your anger should be directed at the lack of education about scripture that most Christians have and not about the scripture itself.

 

[GreatestIam]

Is the Pope slamming Islam for what the Vatican and Christianity used to do?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-pope-slams-deviant-forms-of-religion-in-wake-of-paris-attacks-9971981.html

Compare the tactics of Islam to those of Christianity when it ushered in the Dark Ages and Inquisition.



Are those tactics and ways not the same and does that not say that all idol worshipping religions, especially Christianity and Islam are evil?

Regards
DL

why do you say Christianity and Islam especially? Don't they all do it whenever they get a chance? For God or country or half and half too, right? nothing new

What other religions in the past 2,000 years have been more destructive to mankind?

None. So I go after the worst offenders. The rest are small fry. If I am to bully anyone it should be the biggest ones.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

I agree to a point.


For the evils of religion to grow, read any scripture literally.


Any and all harmless beliefs are allowed by Gnostic Christians. We know that any myth can be internalized for good results and as esoteric ecumenists, we enjoy knowledge of all the myths that man has created about Gods.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D


When there is a victim is when that view changes. Then you see why Christianity annihilated Gnostic Christianity. We do not let the evils of forced literalism go unopposed. To a tyrant like Constantine, we were poison. One of his first commands to his new Church was to kill off the free thinkers and of course, his new tool, his Church, did as bid. It was quite a ride for free thought for the next 1,000 years.


How can a Gnostic Christian, --- and any other free thinking moral person, --- not judge other's morals when seeing someone hurt other because of the same Church's teachings today?


Can you ignore such things if you have decent morals? Impossible. Especially with Islam pulling the same murderous, freedom stifling ****.


We must discriminate and judge constantly. Every law is a compulsion on all of us to judge.


It is my view that all right wing literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists, --- as well as those who do not believe. Literalists hurt their parent religions --- and everyone else, be he a believer or not. Literalists and the right wing of religions make us all into laughing stocks. Their God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution has got to go. So must beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic. These are all evil.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2zhlDbMfDg


They also do much harm to their own fellow adherents.


African witches and Jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI


Jesus Camp 1of 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac


Death to Gays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyuKLyGUHNE


For evil to grow my friend, all good people need do is nothing. Fight literalism when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.


Regards

DL

Well the whole point is that it's not supposed to be taken literally and many of the things you point out are not supported by the Bible. The death to gays crap, just as an example, isn't supported by the Bible, it's supported by nuts. What you are talking about are extremists who twist the Bible, read it selectively, or lack understanding of what it actually says. Granted that happens a lot but it seems to me that your beef ought to be with people who, either through simple ignorance or malicious intent, use scripture in a manner in which it was not intended.

You are talking about all literal readers of myths.

As you say, there are many and that is why Christianity and Islam are evil religions and why good people will fight them when they can.

Regards
DL

No. What you are doing is trying to correlate an entire religion with a small sample of extremists who don't know what they are talking about (or in a worst case scenario do know what they are talking about and don't care). The idiots who support killing gays, for example, and try to base it on the Bible completely and totally misunderstand what the Bible says on the subject (which frankly isn't much). Most people who support such actions base it on Leviticus 18 or 19, but they focus in on one single verse (such as 18:22) and completely ignore the context. When you put those verses into their proper context, read them in Hebrew instead of English, and apply the cultural considerations of the ancient Hebrews one will discover that that is not what Leviticus is talking about. And even if you conclude it is, you have to totally ignore that Leviticus only applies to Jews who live in the Holy Land. So if you are not a Jew or you are a Jew but you live somewhere other than Israel, you can toss Leviticus over your shoulder. Leviticus has absolutely no bearing on someone living in Tennessee or LA in 2015 for example. It just doesn't apply.

So yeah I agree with you that murdering in the name of God or Allah or committing other atrocities in their name should be opposed, but those are not Christians.....those are fucking lunatics. It's important to note the difference.

Text does not trump tradition fed by priests and imam's.

Christianity and Islam are both misogynistic religions who make second class citizens of women and also discriminate against gays without just cause. They have both retarded man's civilizing efforts.

Equality is being denied to half the world thanks to the fact that they collectively are the vast majority.

Do you think that to be good or evil?

Regards
DL

Christian tradition is misogynistic and anti-gay. The Bible is not. Again, your anger should be directed at the lack of education about scripture that most Christians have and not about the scripture itself.

He shall rule over you and do not teach men are both in the bible so you should be advocating against it, not for it and to say that it is not misogynistic is an outright lie.

Go try that lie on the Christians you say do not know the bible. I know it too well to believe your lies.

Regards
DL

 

[haissem123]

Is the Pope slamming Islam for what the Vatican and Christianity used to do?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-pope-slams-deviant-forms-of-religion-in-wake-of-paris-attacks-9971981.html

Compare the tactics of Islam to those of Christianity when it ushered in the Dark Ages and Inquisition.



Are those tactics and ways not the same and does that not say that all idol worshipping religions, especially Christianity and Islam are evil?

Regards
DL

why do you say Christianity and Islam especially? Don't they all do it whenever they get a chance? For God or country or half and half too, right? nothing new

What other religions in the past 2,000 years have been more destructive to mankind?

None. So I go after the worst offenders. The rest are small fry. If I am to bully anyone it should be the biggest ones.

Regards
DL

you keeping score accurately or just guessing? Much damage is done behind the scenes cloak and dagger shit you can't tell me who did it or what they did it for but it's usually money and population control.

 

[BluePhantom]

Is the Pope slamming Islam for what the Vatican and Christianity used to do?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-pope-slams-deviant-forms-of-religion-in-wake-of-paris-attacks-9971981.html

Compare the tactics of Islam to those of Christianity when it ushered in the Dark Ages and Inquisition.



Are those tactics and ways not the same and does that not say that all idol worshipping religions, especially Christianity and Islam are evil?

Regards
DL

why do you say Christianity and Islam especially? Don't they all do it whenever they get a chance? For God or country or half and half too, right? nothing new

What other religions in the past 2,000 years have been more destructive to mankind?

None. So I go after the worst offenders. The rest are small fry. If I am to bully anyone it should be the biggest ones.

Regards
DL

Fine, but go bully those who actually engage in the stuff you are upset about. Why wage war against some man or woman who does their own study, reaches their own conclusions, and stays out of everyone else's business? Or even someone who accepts church dogma but keeps it to their own religious community? Now jack asses who stand on street corners saying "kill the gays"...sure...go get 'em tiger. In fact I will stand there and clap as you do. But going after the entire community and the institution as a whole, frankly makes you look just as extremist and, I am sorry to say, narrow minded and intolerant as those you oppose.

If there was a killer on the run who had run into a house and taken hostages would you be in favor of blowing up the house wiping out everyone just to get to the criminal? I would hope not. LOL. Perhaps I misunderstand, but it seems to me you are doing something similar.

 

[theword]

Is the Pope slamming Islam for what the Vatican and Christianity used to do?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-pope-slams-deviant-forms-of-religion-in-wake-of-paris-attacks-9971981.html

Compare the tactics of Islam to those of Christianity when it ushered in the Dark Ages and Inquisition.



Are those tactics and ways not the same and does that not say that all idol worshipping religions, especially Christianity and Islam are evil?

Regards
DL

Neither Christians nor Muslims know how deceived they really are by what they observe in this universe.

True and you who says you know are not helping us tell them.

Get with it as time is a wasting.

If you need help the ask. I am here for you but not if you just continue as you have been doing and accomplishing nothing.

Regards
DL

There's nothing we can do to change the minds of those who are under siege by their religious beliefs. I'm only looking for those who listen and learn who we really are. A listener is needed before a teacher can be successful. I have found thousands of people in the past 42 months who love what they hear as I speak to them about the knowledge of God.

 

[BluePhantom]

Well the whole point is that it's not supposed to be taken literally and many of the things you point out are not supported by the Bible. The death to gays crap, just as an example, isn't supported by the Bible, it's supported by nuts. What you are talking about are extremists who twist the Bible, read it selectively, or lack understanding of what it actually says. Granted that happens a lot but it seems to me that your beef ought to be with people who, either through simple ignorance or malicious intent, use scripture in a manner in which it was not intended.

You are talking about all literal readers of myths.

As you say, there are many and that is why Christianity and Islam are evil religions and why good people will fight them when they can.

Regards
DL

No. What you are doing is trying to correlate an entire religion with a small sample of extremists who don't know what they are talking about (or in a worst case scenario do know what they are talking about and don't care). The idiots who support killing gays, for example, and try to base it on the Bible completely and totally misunderstand what the Bible says on the subject (which frankly isn't much). Most people who support such actions base it on Leviticus 18 or 19, but they focus in on one single verse (such as 18:22) and completely ignore the context. When you put those verses into their proper context, read them in Hebrew instead of English, and apply the cultural considerations of the ancient Hebrews one will discover that that is not what Leviticus is talking about. And even if you conclude it is, you have to totally ignore that Leviticus only applies to Jews who live in the Holy Land. So if you are not a Jew or you are a Jew but you live somewhere other than Israel, you can toss Leviticus over your shoulder. Leviticus has absolutely no bearing on someone living in Tennessee or LA in 2015 for example. It just doesn't apply.

So yeah I agree with you that murdering in the name of God or Allah or committing other atrocities in their name should be opposed, but those are not Christians.....those are fucking lunatics. It's important to note the difference.

Text does not trump tradition fed by priests and imam's.

Christianity and Islam are both misogynistic religions who make second class citizens of women and also discriminate against gays without just cause. They have both retarded man's civilizing efforts.

Equality is being denied to half the world thanks to the fact that they collectively are the vast majority.

Do you think that to be good or evil?

Regards
DL

Christian tradition is misogynistic and anti-gay. The Bible is not. Again, your anger should be directed at the lack of education about scripture that most Christians have and not about the scripture itself.

He shall rule over you and do not teach men are both in the bible so you should be advocating against it, not for it and to say that it is not misogynistic is an outright lie.

Go try that lie on the Christians you say do not know the bible. I know it too well to believe your lies.

Regards
DL

The only place in the New Testament where it really encourages a misogynistic point of view is in a few letters that scholarship knows are forgeries attributed to Paul. In Paul's undisputed letters he is quite clear that women are of equal standing to men. I suppose technically the Timothy's are in the Bible so I guess you can make that argument, but anyone who has done any research knows those letters are pseudopigraphic and should be taken with a high degree of skepticism if not outright dismissed. Personally I completely dismiss them but to each their own

 

[GreatestIam]

Is the Pope slamming Islam for what the Vatican and Christianity used to do?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-pope-slams-deviant-forms-of-religion-in-wake-of-paris-attacks-9971981.html

Compare the tactics of Islam to those of Christianity when it ushered in the Dark Ages and Inquisition.



Are those tactics and ways not the same and does that not say that all idol worshipping religions, especially Christianity and Islam are evil?

Regards
DL

why do you say Christianity and Islam especially? Don't they all do it whenever they get a chance? For God or country or half and half too, right? nothing new

What other religions in the past 2,000 years have been more destructive to mankind?

None. So I go after the worst offenders. The rest are small fry. If I am to bully anyone it should be the biggest ones.

Regards
DL

you keeping score accurately or just guessing? Much damage is done behind the scenes cloak and dagger shit you can't tell me who did it or what they did it for but it's usually money and population control.

History is what I track and I agree with your last as all religions are created to that end. Most religions have little to do with seeking God and a lot to do with social control and manipulation as well as idol worship.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Is the Pope slamming Islam for what the Vatican and Christianity used to do?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-pope-slams-deviant-forms-of-religion-in-wake-of-paris-attacks-9971981.html

Compare the tactics of Islam to those of Christianity when it ushered in the Dark Ages and Inquisition.



Are those tactics and ways not the same and does that not say that all idol worshipping religions, especially Christianity and Islam are evil?

Regards
DL

why do you say Christianity and Islam especially? Don't they all do it whenever they get a chance? For God or country or half and half too, right? nothing new

What other religions in the past 2,000 years have been more destructive to mankind?

None. So I go after the worst offenders. The rest are small fry. If I am to bully anyone it should be the biggest ones.

Regards
DL

Fine, but go bully those who actually engage in the stuff you are upset about. Why wage war against some man or woman who does their own study, reaches their own conclusions, and stays out of everyone else's business? Or even someone who accepts church dogma but keeps it to their own religious community? Now jack asses who stand on street corners saying "kill the gays"...sure...go get 'em tiger. In fact I will stand there and clap as you do. But going after the entire community and the institution as a whole, frankly makes you look just as extremist and, I am sorry to say, narrow minded and intolerant as those you oppose.

If there was a killer on the run who had run into a house and taken hostages would you be in favor of blowing up the house wiping out everyone just to get to the criminal? I would hope not. LOL. Perhaps I misunderstand, but it seems to me you are doing something similar.

That is what I do.

All literalist Christians and Muslims fall under my tongue as they all contribute to the evils of misogyny and inequality.

You should be doing the same if you are a moral person.

Regards
DL

.

 

[BluePhantom]

Is the Pope slamming Islam for what the Vatican and Christianity used to do?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-pope-slams-deviant-forms-of-religion-in-wake-of-paris-attacks-9971981.html

Compare the tactics of Islam to those of Christianity when it ushered in the Dark Ages and Inquisition.



Are those tactics and ways not the same and does that not say that all idol worshipping religions, especially Christianity and Islam are evil?

Regards
DL

why do you say Christianity and Islam especially? Don't they all do it whenever they get a chance? For God or country or half and half too, right? nothing new

What other religions in the past 2,000 years have been more destructive to mankind?

None. So I go after the worst offenders. The rest are small fry. If I am to bully anyone it should be the biggest ones.

Regards
DL

Fine, but go bully those who actually engage in the stuff you are upset about. Why wage war against some man or woman who does their own study, reaches their own conclusions, and stays out of everyone else's business? Or even someone who accepts church dogma but keeps it to their own religious community? Now jack asses who stand on street corners saying "kill the gays"...sure...go get 'em tiger. In fact I will stand there and clap as you do. But going after the entire community and the institution as a whole, frankly makes you look just as extremist and, I am sorry to say, narrow minded and intolerant as those you oppose.

If there was a killer on the run who had run into a house and taken hostages would you be in favor of blowing up the house wiping out everyone just to get to the criminal? I would hope not. LOL. Perhaps I misunderstand, but it seems to me you are doing something similar.

That is what I do.

All literalist Christians and Muslims fall under my tongue as they all contribute to the evils of misogyny and inequality.

You should be doing the same if you are a moral person.

Regards
DL

.

Well forgive me for saying this but you are not doing it real well. I am not sure what you think you are going to accomplish. My experience tells me that once a fanatic has made up their mind there's nothing anyone can say to change it. All of these atrocities you speak of are being committed by fools or lunatics. I am not sure you are going to have much success trying to reason with either.

I have had plenty of religious discussions on these boards and you want to know how many fanatic nutballs I have gotten to see the light? None. Not a sausage. Not a single one. I have even waved indisputable smoking gun evidence in front of their faces and it gets totally dismissed. So...you know....be angry and pissed off all you want and pound your shoe on the table until your arm grows weak I guess, but I seriously hope you are under no delusion that you are going to make one bit of difference or that you will change a single person's mind. Seems to me that a better use of your energy would be to focus on your own imperfections rather than worrying about those of others. Just my opinion, dude.

 

[GreatestIam]

Is the Pope slamming Islam for what the Vatican and Christianity used to do?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-pope-slams-deviant-forms-of-religion-in-wake-of-paris-attacks-9971981.html

Compare the tactics of Islam to those of Christianity when it ushered in the Dark Ages and Inquisition.



Are those tactics and ways not the same and does that not say that all idol worshipping religions, especially Christianity and Islam are evil?

Regards
DL

Neither Christians nor Muslims know how deceived they really are by what they observe in this universe.

True and you who says you know are not helping us tell them.

Get with it as time is a wasting.

If you need help the ask. I am here for you but not if you just continue as you have been doing and accomplishing nothing.

Regards
DL

There's nothing we can do to change the minds of those who are under siege by their religious beliefs. I'm only looking for those who listen and learn who we really are. A listener is needed before a teacher can be successful. I have found thousands of people in the past 42 months who love what they hear as I speak to them about the knowledge of God.

Good for you. Strange that you can fathom what is said to be un-fathomable.

Perhaps if you did not just spout the usual people would listen more.

Perhaps you should speak of Jesus' wife.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Is the Pope slamming Islam for what the Vatican and Christianity used to do?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-pope-slams-deviant-forms-of-religion-in-wake-of-paris-attacks-9971981.html

Compare the tactics of Islam to those of Christianity when it ushered in the Dark Ages and Inquisition.



Are those tactics and ways not the same and does that not say that all idol worshipping religions, especially Christianity and Islam are evil?

Regards
DL

why do you say Christianity and Islam especially? Don't they all do it whenever they get a chance? For God or country or half and half too, right? nothing new

What other religions in the past 2,000 years have been more destructive to mankind?

None. So I go after the worst offenders. The rest are small fry. If I am to bully anyone it should be the biggest ones.

Regards
DL

Fine, but go bully those who actually engage in the stuff you are upset about. Why wage war against some man or woman who does their own study, reaches their own conclusions, and stays out of everyone else's business? Or even someone who accepts church dogma but keeps it to their own religious community? Now jack asses who stand on street corners saying "kill the gays"...sure...go get 'em tiger. In fact I will stand there and clap as you do. But going after the entire community and the institution as a whole, frankly makes you look just as extremist and, I am sorry to say, narrow minded and intolerant as those you oppose.

If there was a killer on the run who had run into a house and taken hostages would you be in favor of blowing up the house wiping out everyone just to get to the criminal? I would hope not. LOL. Perhaps I misunderstand, but it seems to me you are doing something similar.

That is what I do.

All literalist Christians and Muslims fall under my tongue as they all contribute to the evils of misogyny and inequality.

You should be doing the same if you are a moral person.

Regards
DL

.

Well forgive me for saying this but you are not doing it real well. I am not sure what you think you are going to accomplish. My experience tells me that once a fanatic has made up their mind there's nothing anyone can say to change it. All of these atrocities you speak of are being committed by fools or lunatics. I am not sure you are going to have much success trying to reason with either.

I have had plenty of religious discussions on these boards and you want to know how many fanatic nutballs I have gotten to see the light? None. Not a sausage. Not a single one. I have even waved indisputable smoking gun evidence in front of their faces and it gets totally dismissed. So...you know....be angry and pissed off all you want and pound your shoe on the table until your arm grows weak I guess, but I seriously hope you are under no delusion that you are going to make one bit of difference or that you will change a single person's mind. Seems to me that a better use of your energy would be to focus on your own imperfections rather than worrying about those of others. Just my opinion, dude.

These boards are forever. I post with lurkers in mind more than the fundies.

I get more feedback from those than the ones I speak to. They are the important ears.

Regards
DL