Is the MARXIST PROGRESSIVE TAX SYSTEM we use immoral?

Of course it is fair
The wealthy benefit so much more from our society

If you have to differentiate between two (or more) groups and set individual standards for each group ... That is not fair.
You can attempt to justify it ... Your justifications may be well-intended ... But, it will never amount to fairness ... :thup:

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I don't care if Jefferson wanted a progressive tax plan.

Isn't he a POS slave owner who should have all of his statues removed?

Why would I want to follow the tax plan of a RACIST!!

Does ANYONE remember CHARLOTTESVILLE?

Thomas Jefferson fucked his slaves. His tax plan must be bad and racist.
:lol:

You're sputtering now.

That was easy!
 
Is it moral to force people who earn more money to pay progressively higher RATES of taxes?

Should the "WEALTHY" also pay higher sales tax? Would that also be moral?

if you are a millionaire, should you pay $100 for a loaf of bread? Would that be fair and moral?

KARL MARX wrote our tax code, essentially.

Let's look at the 10 planks of MARXISM...doesn't this sound like every Prog you hear crying.... "THE RICH SHOULD PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE!!!"

The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx

1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

The courts have interpreted the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868) to give the government far more "eminent domain" power than was originally intended, Under the rubric of "eminent domain" and various zoning regulations, land use regulations by the Bureau of Land Managementproperty taxes, and "environmental" excuses, private property rights have become very diluted and private property in landis, vehicles, and other forms are seized almost every day in this country under the "forfeiture" provisions of the RICO statutes and the so-called War on Drugs..




2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

The 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913 (which some scholars maintain was never properly ratified), and various State income taxes, established this major Marxist coup in the United States many decades ago. These taxes continue to drain the lifeblood out of the American economy and greatly reduce the accumulation of desperately needed capital for future growth, business starts, job creation, and salary increases.




3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

Another Marxian attack on private property rights is in the form of Federal & State estate taxes and other inheritance taxes, which have abolished or at least greatly diluted the right of private property owners to determine the disposition and distribution of their estates upon their death. Instead, government bureaucrats get their greedy hands involved .




4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

We call it government seizures, tax liens, "forfeiture" Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.




5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

The Federal Reserve System, created by the Federal Reserve Act of Congress in 1913, is indeed such a "national bank" and it politically manipulates interest rates and holds a monopoly on legal counterfeiting in the United States. This is exactly what Marx had in mind and completely fulfills this plank, another major socialist objective. Yet, most Americans naively believe the U.S. of A. is far from a Marxist or socialist nation.




6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

In the U.S., communication and transportation are controlled and regulated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) established by the Communications Act of 1934 and the Department of Transportation and the Interstate Commerce Commission (established by Congress in 1887), and the Federal Aviation Administration as well as Executive orders 11490, 10999 -- not to mention various state bureaucracies and regulations. There is also the federal postal monopoly, AMTRAK and CONRAIL -- outright socialist (government-owned) enterprises. Instead of free-market private enteprrise in these important industries, these fields in America are semi-cartelized through the government's regulatory-industiral complex.




7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

While the U.S. does not have vast "collective farms" (which failed so miserably in the Soviet Union), we nevertheless do have a significant degree of government involvement in agriculture in the form of price support subsidies and acreage alotments and land-use controls. The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.




8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.




9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

We call it the Planning Reorganization Act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.




10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .

You're talking out of your ass.

High earners benefit more from a well-funded:
social programs
schools
law enforcement
military


If you ask "why should high earners pay into social programs they don't use?" -- I'd point you to the history of the French Revolution. Do some reading and learn what happens when the basic standard of living is allowed to decay.
 
I don't care if Jefferson wanted a progressive tax plan.

Isn't he a POS slave owner who should have all of his statues removed?

Why would I want to follow the tax plan of a RACIST!!

Does ANYONE remember CHARLOTTESVILLE?

Thomas Jefferson fucked his slaves. His tax plan must be bad and racist.
:lol:

You're sputtering now.

That was easy!


You're an idiot now....that was easy.

I don't know how much clearer I can make it.

I don't care how TJ wanted taxes levied. I disagree with it.

Progressive tax structure is UNFAIR and IMMORAL.

Your evidence that it is FAIR and MORAL is THOMAS JEFFERSON? :badgrin::badgrin:

Who are "THE RICH" and what is their "FAIR SHARE"? SPECIFICALLY. Give numbers.
 
Our Founders established progressive taxation as a means to mitigate the unnatural concentration of wealth which violated natural law.
 
I don't care if Jefferson wanted a progressive tax plan.

Isn't he a POS slave owner who should have all of his statues removed?

Why would I want to follow the tax plan of a RACIST!!

Does ANYONE remember CHARLOTTESVILLE?

Thomas Jefferson fucked his slaves. His tax plan must be bad and racist.
:lol:

You're sputtering now.

That was easy!


You're an idiot now....that was easy.

I don't know how much clearer I can make it.

I don't care how TJ wanted taxes levied. I disagree with it.

Progressive tax structure is UNFAIR and IMMORAL.

Your evidence that it is FAIR and MORAL is THOMAS JEFFERSON? :badgrin::badgrin:

Who are "THE RICH" and what is their "FAIR SHARE"? SPECIFICALLY. Give numbers.
Well, gee. I wonder whose opinion has more weight.

Some internet tard or...Thomas Jefferson.

Boy, that's a real puzzler!
 
I'm going to assume that most of the far-right posters and Trump fans on USMB earn well below the national average and are therefore in one of the two lowest tax brackets.

So, STFU… You don't pay shit.
 
Who are "THE RICH" and what is their "FAIR SHARE?"

Specifically, what do Democrats mean when they say that all the time?
 
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Our budget problems are not caused by "the rich" being taxed too much or too little.

This is misdirection on the part of both parties who are partners in keeping the rubes in the dark.
 
Who are "THE RICH" and what is their "FAIR SHARE?"

Specifically, what do Democrats mean when they say that all the time?


:badgrin::badgrin::badgrin::badgrin::badgrin::badgrin:

it's like PROG ROACH SPRAY.....all the Progs flee when they are asked that question.

I fucking love it.
 
Since we are talking about Jefferson, who did Thomas Jefferson claim were "THE RICH" and what he he claim was their "FAIR SHARE"?

Why don't Democrats want to tell us who are "THE RICH" and what is their "FAIR SHARE"?

They don't have any issues being specific about wanting all guns banned in America. That is VERY specific.
 
Since we are talking about Jefferson, who did Thomas Jefferson claim were "THE RICH" and what he he claim was their "FAIR SHARE"?
Half a million guineas at the upper levels. You really ought to read the links that people are thoughtful enough to provide. You wouldn't have to ask stupid questions.

The property of this country is absolutely concentrated in a very few hands, having revenues of from half a million of guineas a year downwards.
To James Madison Fontainebleau, Oct. 28, 1785 < The Letters of Thomas Jefferson 1743-1826 < Thomas Jefferson < Presidents < American History From Revolution To Reconstruction and beyond
 

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