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we start petrolium engineers at $80,000. Most educated people would rather do something like that than clean toilets.
The value of education is not measured by income.
One off examples are a dime a dozen.
I am a snob cleaning toilets is beneath me and most college grads.
Too bad they didn't go into the military. At that young age, they still could.
Shit, rdean, that's a damn intelligent statement.......see how much a few days of rest, and taking your meds helps!!
Screw college, be a plumber.
That's right, graduate high school and get yourself an apprentice job. Work your way up and eventually start your own shop.
The work might be digusting at times but it pays well, and not nearly as disgusting as sitting on your ass all day in a cubicle staring at a damn computer screen and dealing with office politics.
And as an added benefit, you'll never be outsourced.
I have an MBA and can run circles around you in business knowledge janitor.
I have 2 bachelors and a mastersI have an MBA and can run circles around you in business knowledge janitor.
If you don't care to own a business then why tout yourself as knowing more than me Mr "I have an MBA"? Big fucking deal; the idiot who runs the Dunkin Donuts down the street from me has an MBA.skull douce, not everyone has a hard on for owning a business. I had my site on becoming a millionaire by investing. I did it a decade earlier than the average millionaire takes (49 vs 50). I don't care if you have more. I don't work long hours or work hard, never have. I've lived a very comfortable country club lifestyle cause that's what I choose. I put my family above career.
Good read. I am happy I pay cash for my tuition. (Yes, I earned it myself.)
I'm very much pro-university studies, I've spent more time in advanced studies than required schooling. However, it's become the norm for nearly everyone to pick up after high school and that just doesn't seem to be working out for those coming out.
We bemoan the lack of classes for the gifted and academically challenged, yet on some level seem to have bought into the idea that all are academically qualified to go to university. Is it any surprise that university education has been dummied down?
On the other hand, how many kids that were naturally talented in trade type skills, were made to feel wrong if they weren't so keen on going to college? How well were they going to do in those required courses of British Lit? Probably as well as the average liberal arts student was in the required Trig courses, but that was one or two course out of two years required.
Actually today's economy is for the first time in my lifetime that parents are listening to kids who say they want to try something else, before going onto college. Nearly everyone knows of someone under 25 who has a university degree but can't find an entry level job with benefits, at least one they consider entry level. Young people are trying to gain skills in what are traditionally the 'trades', though the unions aren't really hiring apprentices. The kids are picking them up off the union track. Electrical, plumbing, roofing, brick laying, all are skills and services needed. Car repairs is another. These are not jobs that China or India can be outsourced to.
I'm guessing in a few years there will be major uproars in a state like IL, that requires union workers and wages for all work. Lots of things are changing, it will be interesting indeed to see where it all goes.
Good read. I am happy I pay cash for my tuition. (Yes, I earned it myself.)
I'm very much pro-university studies, I've spent more time in advanced studies than required schooling. However, it's become the norm for nearly everyone to pick up after high school and that just doesn't seem to be working out for those coming out.
We bemoan the lack of classes for the gifted and academically challenged, yet on some level seem to have bought into the idea that all are academically qualified to go to university. Is it any surprise that university education has been dummied down?
On the other hand, how many kids that were naturally talented in trade type skills, were made to feel wrong if they weren't so keen on going to college? How well were they going to do in those required courses of British Lit? Probably as well as the average liberal arts student was in the required Trig courses, but that was one or two course out of two years required.
Actually today's economy is for the first time in my lifetime that parents are listening to kids who say they want to try something else, before going onto college. Nearly everyone knows of someone under 25 who has a university degree but can't find an entry level job with benefits, at least one they consider entry level. Young people are trying to gain skills in what are traditionally the 'trades', though the unions aren't really hiring apprentices. The kids are picking them up off the union track. Electrical, plumbing, roofing, brick laying, all are skills and services needed. Car repairs is another. These are not jobs that China or India can be outsourced to.
I'm guessing in a few years there will be major uproars in a state like IL, that requires union workers and wages for all work. Lots of things are changing, it will be interesting indeed to see where it all goes.
I have noticed over time that "do-it-yourself" skills, which were once common, have virtually vanished from native-born Americans. Where I live, if you need home remodeling work of any type done, chances are excellent that you're hiring a Mexican-American, or possibly an Asian-American. And I am using these hyphenations deliberately to denote someone who was not born in this country, or at most someone whose parents were not born here.
It's not just traditionally male skills, either. Domestic skills that one would once have taken for granted in most women are disappearing, too. It is a huge shocker to people that I can not only repair my own clothing when it's damaged, but I can actually make a garment from scratch. Crochet is so dirt-simple that I can do it in a darkened theater while watching a movie, but show someone a completed project, and you would think I just spun straw into gold before their eyes. Even cooking, on a basic domestic "my family needs dinner" level is becoming a rarity. You're either a serious "foodie" going on about gourmet cuisine, or you're making a lot of frozen lasagna or Hamburger Helper, it seems. Take a batch of homemade tamales to a Christmas party and you're suddenly Julia Child.
I don't care if you have 10 mill. I wouldn't clean toilets janitor. And I'll leave the guys dicks for you. I'm not gay.