Education and theHumanist Agenda

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    This clearly is my perference.

    I am quoting from the book "Inside American Education", by Thomas Sowell. He clearly opposes the Humanist agenda, because he uses it as an example of what has gone wrong with education. He quotes John J Dunphy, "A Religion for a New Age" Humanist, January/February 1983, page 26.

    I would not say this is a new religion, for a new age, but it is what comes through Greek and Roman classics that were the meaning of being literate, when the United States of American became a republic. I think this education is essential to defending our democracy, which is the culture we defended in two world wars. Christianity without this education, just does not result in the democracy we defended.
     
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    Um...your quote has nothing to do with Christianity, and almost nothing to do with any religion.

    Sowell is simply saying that teachers need to be as dedicated as preachers, and that as preachers (imbued in a faith that "Every Student Can Learn") they become better teachers.
     
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    I am sorry for giving incomplete information. I became aware of this problem because of a Public Boardcasting Station show. The man who has so much influence is a Christian who believes he is doing the work of God, by distorting text books. His belief makes him stronger than others who think they stand alone, and that is why I started this thread.

    Christians would have us believe the foundation of the USA and its constitution is the bible and Christianity. They have controlled public education to a large degree, until Eisenhower established the Military Industrail Complex and we replaced liberal education with education for technology for military and industrial purpose. The problem being, before this change in public education, all Christians had a liberal education. That is education Greek and Roman classics. Christianity without this education is not a good thing! Christianity with only education for technology is a very bad thing.

    These fanatical Christians who stand in the way of education for science, and who would distort text books, are more powerful than non Christians if the non Christian also knows nothing about history and humanism. You see, education for technology, leaves those who have a vague understanding of humanism and democratic principles standing alone, out in the cold, no longer backed by public education. What they say is only "their opinion", and they are not backed by God as a religious person is backed by God and Christian organizations. I want to clarify, those with an education in the classics have God and morals, but this is not recognized by those who don't have that education, and since it is no longer public education behind this, individuals stand alone, without organized support.

    Our education transmitted a culture from the Greek and Roman classics. Our concept of democratic principles and our value as human beings, and our duty to God, family and the state, and comes from the classics, but our whole culture has been radically changed, by the 1958 National Defense Education Act, in part because we stopped transmitting our culture.

    There are two ways of having social order, culture or authority over the people. Without the culture, that leaves only authority over the people. So I go from forum to forum telling the owners I am willing to donate to a forum that services my purpose for writing, and after failing to get my point across, I move on to the next one, where I am again told, these forums are private, and the owners can do as they want. True, the owners and their moderators have all the power, and Christians would have us believe God has all the power, but Satan is now ruling earth.:cuckoo: Power verses power, but no longer the culture of rule by reason. No longer knowledge of humanism, or the principles of democracy and the ideology of for which our nation once stood.

    Failure to use the classics to transmit a culture, leaves only those with power to rule over those who have none. We are at the mercey of those with power. This is not rule by reason. It is not the democracy we inherited.
     
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    I think we need to get thru Newtonian physics before we try for the quantum stuff and most people don't need it.

    The laws of physics don't care about Greek or Latin.

    Trying to change the schools would be an up hill battle where the enemy has all of the advantages. But now cheap, powerful computers present us with the possibility of doing a complete end run around the schools. If kids learn more faster outside of school than they do in it then who is going to complain?

    Besides the people whose true objective is to keep them ignorant? They will of course fall all over themselves in their eagerness to admit that.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq6lFOhLJ0c]YouTube - ‪Noam Chomsky on the Role of the Educational System‬‎[/ame]

    I'm not a Chomsky fan but that was good.

    All Day September, by Roger Kuykendall
    The Project Gutenberg eBook of All Day September, by Roger Kuykendall.

    Subversive, by Dallas McCord Reynolds
    The Project Gutenberg eBook of Subversive, by Mack Reynolds

    Cost of Living, by Robert Sheckley
    The Project Gutenberg eBook of Cost of Living, by Robert Sheckley

    That old science fiction has science and technology and politics and economics.

    We now get to watch the technology of economics with these cheap powerful computers. When will users figure out the buying more power does them almost no good. They just make the software more inefficient. This cracked me up.

    The Beauty of Inefficient Code - Science and Tech - The Atlantic

    psik

    PS - The Humanism of Isaac Asimov
    Prophet of the Rightness and Power of Knowledge
    http://www.asimovhumanists.org/AboutIsaacAssimov2.htm

    Star Trek a paean to humanism, says Gene Roddenberry’s former executive assistant
    http://gratefultothedead.wordpress....gene-roddenberrys-former-executive-assistant/

    Promise of Humanism in Octavia E. Butler’s Science Fiction
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...+fiction"++humanism&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    Gene Roddenberry, Star Trek, Humanism, and Me
    http://let-me-be-frank.blogspot.com/2009/03/gene-roddenberry-star-trek-humanism-and.html
     
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