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Ooooooh, I love this one. "That's the OLD TESTAMENT".
Come on, guy, you can do better than that.
I could, but it takes brains to understand the logic involved.
Ooooooh, I love this one. "That's the OLD TESTAMENT".
Come on, guy, you can do better than that.
I could, but it takes brains to understand the logic involved.
NO, not really.
Because most of the barbaric shit in the OT continued well into the middle ages. Some of it damned well near into the modern age.
It was only in the 20th century did people start saying, "Well, the NT nullifies the barbarism of the OT"
Ooooooh, I love this one. "That's the OLD TESTAMENT".
Come on, guy, you can do better than that.
I could, but it takes brains to understand the logic involved.
NO, not really.
Because most of the barbaric shit in the OT continued well into the middle ages. Some of it damned well near into the modern age.
It was only in the 20th century did people start saying, "Well, the NT nullifies the barbarism of the OT"
Ooooooh, I love this one. "That's the OLD TESTAMENT".
Come on, guy, you can do better than that.
That did not answer the question
Is there a Christian church mentioned in the old testament?
Hold on, checking to see if I care...
Nope. I don't.
Point is, it's not like the New Testament got rid of all those silly laws in the Old Testement.
Nor does the Bible in EITHER testament really say anything about birth control.
It's the Church's interpretation of these things, and if that's what they want to preach to the faithful, they are free to do so.
They just can't impose it on them, even if they are paying them to do a job.
That did not answer the question
Is there a Christian church mentioned in the old testament?
Hold on, checking to see if I care...
Nope. I don't.
Point is, it's not like the New Testament got rid of all those silly laws in the Old Testement.
Nor does the Bible in EITHER testament really say anything about birth control.
It's the Church's interpretation of these things, and if that's what they want to preach to the faithful, they are free to do so.
They just can't impose it on them, even if they are paying them to do a job.
Why are you imposing your "beliefs" on the Christians that disagree with abortion? Why must "Christian" tax dollars support immoral behavior? Why are you wanting to legislate "immorality"?
If the gov't wants to be in the birth control business, it should do so with surgical proceedures for men and women. A couple staples will ensure no babies. If the people decide they want children they can be financially responsible for reversing the proceedure. (and yes, I am aware that is against the teaching of the church, but feel it is the least evil method)
What gives you the right to ban shit that doesn't concern you? Tell me more. Like I said.. you're all about other people's sins, but ignore your own... You fucking worship the greedy like Demigods are prideful, judgmental pricks.... Don't worry, God's writing all that shit down too. Sin is sin in God's eye... there is no one sin worse than others. That's you rationalizing.
Yep, just ignore the facts.
Not ignoring the facts at all... Never once did I deny any of that shit. What you are ignoring is the fact that YOU don't have the RIGHT to Ban other people's sins. If we are going to do that, where does it stop. We going to throw kids in jail for masturbating? How about getting a blow job? Anal Sex? Doing it doggie style?
The bottom line is... if you are against abortion... don't have one.
The life that's in control of the decision. When you have to carry around an unwanted fetus around for 9 months, forced into painful childbirth and take care of it for 18 years. You can have a say... until then? STFU.
I know, I know... personal responsibility. Making that choice whether to keep or abort a fetus IS personal responsibility. Taking that choice away is Legislating morality. God gave us free will so that we can make our own choices, you do know this right?
Like I said...If anyone came to me for advice on this subject, I would urge them not to have an abortion. But this is a free country with real choices(and consequences). You want to skip through all of that and make that choice for other people that you have no idea who they are or what their life is like. That makes YOU an oppressor...no better than Stalin, Mao, or Hitler...at least on this particular subject.
"You" have much more in common with those people. They too, could make murder seem perfectly reasonable.
I'm going to address all your posts in this one... Ummm....fuck you.
First off... no one is saying for you to "pay" for abortion. You are just so fuckin' brainwashed that you don't want to believe that the Hyde Amendment works.
I don't condone murder... I don't condone abortion... I am against it. I just refuse to judge a person for having an abortion.... that's God's job... not yours, not mine. I am also not for banning abortion. Regulating it? Yes. But not banning.
True... very true... But that's not your choice to make, furthermore... the elimination of that choice is not something that a free society should be doing. Make no mistake. I do not condone abortion...I am just not one to force my opinions upon others and make them bend to it.
That's where you guys are wrong. Trying to legislate morality is what is happening in the Middle East with their Sharia Law bullshit. Is this really the direction we want to be heading?
Why is Obama "legislating" IMMORALITY? Is that really the direction we want to be heading?
He's not... abortion has been legal since 1973.
Yep, just ignore the facts.
Not ignoring the facts at all... Never once did I deny any of that shit. What you are ignoring is the fact that YOU don't have the RIGHT to Ban other people's sins. If we are going to do that, where does it stop. We going to throw kids in jail for masturbating? How about getting a blow job? Anal Sex? Doing it doggie style?
The bottom line is... if you are against abortion... don't have one.
Then don't force me to pay for a "service" (torture/murder) that I am not using.
Not ignoring the facts at all... Never once did I deny any of that shit. What you are ignoring is the fact that YOU don't have the RIGHT to Ban other people's sins. If we are going to do that, where does it stop. We going to throw kids in jail for masturbating? How about getting a blow job? Anal Sex? Doing it doggie style?
The bottom line is... if you are against abortion... don't have one.
Then don't force me to pay for a "service" (torture/murder) that I am not using.
Then don't force me to pay outlandish prices for medicines that other countries pay a pittance for, just so some CEO can cruise around in a Ferrari. Don't force my kids to go $100K in debt before they even have a chance to start their lives so they can get an education. Don't force the uninsured to have to make a choice of a house or their lives because our health care system is one that has to make a killing.
Lastly... you're not too fucking logical in this.... you're emotional. The Hyde Amendment prohibits federal funds to pay for abortions... IF you have proof otherwise, then take it to court....otherwise? You are just being a speculative, whiny bitch.
That did not answer the question
Is there a Christian church mentioned in the old testament?
Hold on, checking to see if I care...
Nope. I don't.
Point is, it's not like the New Testament got rid of all those silly laws in the Old Testement.
Nor does the Bible in EITHER testament really say anything about birth control.
It's the Church's interpretation of these things, and if that's what they want to preach to the faithful, they are free to do so.
They just can't impose it on them, even if they are paying them to do a job.
7And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.
8And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
9And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
10And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
7 But Er, Judahs firstborn, was evil in the sight of the LORD, so the LORD took his life.
8 Then Judah said to Onan, Go in to your brothers wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up [a]offspring for your brother.
9 Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brothers wife, he [c]wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give [d]offspring to his brother. 10 But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.
That did not answer the question
Is there a Christian church mentioned in the old testament?
Hold on, checking to see if I care...
Nope. I don't.
Point is, it's not like the New Testament got rid of all those silly laws in the Old Testement.
Nor does the Bible in EITHER testament really say anything about birth control.
It's the Church's interpretation of these things, and if that's what they want to preach to the faithful, they are free to do so.
They just can't impose it on them, even if they are paying them to do a job.
Is this how God feel's about birth control?
Genesis 38:7-10 kjv
7And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.
8And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
9And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
10And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
7 But Er, Judahs firstborn, was evil in the sight of the LORD, so the LORD took his life.
8 Then Judah said to Onan, Go in to your brothers wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up [a]offspring for your brother.
9 Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brothers wife, he [c]wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give [d]offspring to his brother. 10 But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.
I'm no biblical scholar nor do I claim to be a christian but seed in the Bible I think represents the mans sperm.
Hold on, checking to see if I care...
Nope. I don't.
Point is, it's not like the New Testament got rid of all those silly laws in the Old Testement.
Nor does the Bible in EITHER testament really say anything about birth control.
It's the Church's interpretation of these things, and if that's what they want to preach to the faithful, they are free to do so.
They just can't impose it on them, even if they are paying them to do a job.
Is this how God feel's about birth control?
Genesis 38:7-10 kjv
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
7 But Er, Judahs firstborn, was evil in the sight of the LORD, so the LORD took his life.
8 Then Judah said to Onan, Go in to your brothers wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up [a]offspring for your brother.
9 Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brothers wife, he [c]wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give [d]offspring to his brother. 10 But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.
I'm no biblical scholar nor do I claim to be a christian but seed in the Bible I think represents the mans sperm.
Well, gee, that actually seems kind of psychotic. He doesn't want to father children with this woman, because it was his dead brother's wife, So God kills the poor schlub?
Sadly, God does this all through the bible. The more people who actually read the bible, the more atheists we'll have.
And we never really found out what Er did that God had to smite him.
The story goes on that poor Tamar (the second hand wife) eventually had to seduce Judah disguised as a harlot. And when she was pregnant, Judah was going to murder her on the spot for adultery. Even though she had an unborn baby in her womb.
Then Tamar revealed that Judah himself was the father of that child. Oooooopsy.
So essentially, God had no problem killing an unborn child, which means you can take the SAME retarded story and make a case for abortion.
Duly noted that you couldn't really answer the point that God was totally down with Judah burning Tamar and her fetus to death.
Duly noted that you couldn't really answer the point that God was totally down with Judah burning Tamar and her fetus to death.
I am human and can not answer for a Just God. My answer could never justify his action so why bother?
Duly noted that you couldn't really answer the point that God was totally down with Judah burning Tamar and her fetus to death.
I am human and can not answer for a Just God. My answer could never justify his action so why bother?
But you religionists spend every day trying to impose stupid, mean-spirited rules on the rest of us on the basis of what you think you Invisible Sky Pixie wants. But when someone points out how the Pixie does something in the Bible that is just plain evil or inexplicable, you say, "Well, we can't possibly know the mind of God."
Reality check. The bible was written by bronze age savages and "God" was their explanation for everything they didn't understand. Since they didn't know what a Germ was or where the sun went at night, God got the blame for a lot of stuff.
That's what's this argument is about, is it not? The Catholic Church (you know, the one that molested altar boys, started crusades, burned witches, tortured heratics, sold indulgences, etc.) is just horrified that they have to pay for birth control pills for their employees or their employees spouses or children up to the age of 26. Why? Because that's their intrepretation of the Bible. Other Christian sects read the same bible and come up with different conclusions.
