CDZ Is Las Vegas covering up the shooter's motive?

[Chuz Life]

It's a believable theory. The last thing Las Vegas casinos would have wanted as a headline is "Las Vegas gunman was a millionaire who lost almost everything gambling, leading to depression and the worst mass shooting in US history".

The longer authorities take with the investigation, wrong timelines, video surveillance withheld, people missing, etc etc...the more this looks like some sort of "cover-up". Not as in an "all-out conspiracy theory" but possibly covering up a motive like you theorize or some sort of liability of the casinos.

Yes....exactly. The shooter's gambling losses should have been the first thing the authorities checked out. Has anyone seen a report on that. I think not...because there is no report on that.

Anyone who lives or has lived in Las Vegas knows how corrupt it is...how the hotel owners control the politicians and the police dept.

The last thing the 'big boys' want talked about by the msm is gambling losses and suicides as in how many people have killed themselves because of losing money gambling in vegas casinoes.

There are too many things that just does not jibe with a disgruntled gaming addict scenario.

1. He wired over 100K to his gal pal in the Philippines. A gambling addict would sooner use that 100K to try to win back their losses before they would just give it away.

There is no doubt he was a gambling addict...he was observed on video playing video poker just a short time before he started shooting people...had to get that 'last fix' in.

There is no doubt he wired 100,000 dollars to his g/f in the phillippines.

These two things alone do not mean all that much....one has to combine all the known factors about the shooter to try and arrive at some logical motive for his killing of innocent people.

One also should try and analyze what the authorities in vegas are doing or are not doing...thereby also perhaps gaining some insight into the shooters motive.

Also...one needs to analyze what might have drove the shooter to go suicidal....he was intelligent and according to the autopsy report...there was nothing clinically wrong with his brain. Thus he had to know he would either be killed or he would kill himself...he had screwed the door to his hotel room shut....which means he did not intend to try and get away as some authorities in vegas suggested.

Logically if one can determine what might have caused the shooter to become suicidal then that should shed some light on his motive. A lot of people committ suicide but they do not decide to take the lives of innocent people before they kill themselves.

Thus his motive can be viewed in certain ways...he was trying to send some kind of message...but what? he left no notes in regards to why he did what he did. Isis did claim he was a recruit...but that is not credible and certainly no evidence for it that I have seen. Perhaps he was satisfied with just killing a lot of people...as in it gave him some sort of depraved pleasure? A sociopath or psychopath? Well his father had been diagnosed as a psychopath and it is known that some mental illness runs in families....so perhaps he was just crazy and wanted to take a lot of innocent people with him....and wanted to be remembered for that?

One significant factor stands out that has not been considered...and it is a factor that has triggered many suicides in Las Vegas....he could have become suicidal because of his gambling losses. But that has not even been considered by the authorities....and they have not released any financial info on him or any info on his gambling losses. Now why is that? This is a glaring fact and a big clue as to what his possible motive may have been.

I am not saying that his gambling losses caused him to go suicidal/crazy I am simply saying as long as the authorities in Vegas refuse to release his financial and gambling info...that factor must be placed on the table of possible motives.

If he targeted the Casino itself, I could more see that this might have been related to his gaming losses. My gut tells me that it is more than that.

 

[Sundance508]

It's a believable theory. The last thing Las Vegas casinos would have wanted as a headline is "Las Vegas gunman was a millionaire who lost almost everything gambling, leading to depression and the worst mass shooting in US history".

The longer authorities take with the investigation, wrong timelines, video surveillance withheld, people missing, etc etc...the more this looks like some sort of "cover-up". Not as in an "all-out conspiracy theory" but possibly covering up a motive like you theorize or some sort of liability of the casinos.

Yes....exactly. The shooter's gambling losses should have been the first thing the authorities checked out. Has anyone seen a report on that. I think not...because there is no report on that.

Anyone who lives or has lived in Las Vegas knows how corrupt it is...how the hotel owners control the politicians and the police dept.

The last thing the 'big boys' want talked about by the msm is gambling losses and suicides as in how many people have killed themselves because of losing money gambling in vegas casinoes.

There are too many things that just does not jibe with a disgruntled gaming addict scenario.

1. He wired over 100K to his gal pal in the Philippines. A gambling addict would sooner use that 100K to try to win back their losses before they would just give it away.

There is no doubt he was a gambling addict...he was observed on video playing video poker just a short time before he started shooting people...had to get that 'last fix' in.

There is no doubt he wired 100,000 dollars to his g/f in the phillippines.

These two things alone do not mean all that much....one has to combine all the known factors about the shooter to try and arrive at some logical motive for his killing of innocent people.

One also should try and analyze what the authorities in vegas are doing or are not doing...thereby also perhaps gaining some insight into the shooters motive.

Also...one needs to analyze what might have drove the shooter to go suicidal....he was intelligent and according to the autopsy report...there was nothing clinically wrong with his brain. Thus he had to know he would either be killed or he would kill himself...he had screwed the door to his hotel room shut....which means he did not intend to try and get away as some authorities in vegas suggested.

Logically if one can determine what might have caused the shooter to become suicidal then that should shed some light on his motive. A lot of people committ suicide but they do not decide to take the lives of innocent people before they kill themselves.

Thus his motive can be viewed in certain ways...he was trying to send some kind of message...but what? he left no notes in regards to why he did what he did. Isis did claim he was a recruit...but that is not credible and certainly no evidence for it that I have seen. Perhaps he was satisfied with just killing a lot of people...as in it gave him some sort of depraved pleasure? A sociopath or psychopath? Well his father had been diagnosed as a psychopath and it is known that some mental illness runs in families....so perhaps he was just crazy and wanted to take a lot of innocent people with him....and wanted to be remembered for that?

One significant factor stands out that has not been considered...and it is a factor that has triggered many suicides in Las Vegas....he could have become suicidal because of his gambling losses. But that has not even been considered by the authorities....and they have not released any financial info on him or any info on his gambling losses. Now why is that? This is a glaring fact and a big clue as to what his possible motive may have been.

I am not saying that his gambling losses caused him to go suicidal/crazy I am simply saying as long as the authorities in Vegas refuse to release his financial and gambling info...that factor must be placed on the table of possible motives.

If he targeted the Casino itself, I could more see that this might have been related to his gaming losses. My gut tells me that it is more than that.

Well he certainly inflicted a huge loss on the casino as in they will be sued by many for millions...due to their lax security etc. The big question remains...why hasn't the las vegas police released the shooters financial info? What are they hiding?

As previously pointed out as anyone and as anyone who has lived in Vegas well knows....many suicides there related to gambling losses....why is this not being considered by the l.v. police as a possible motive in this case?

I would say from what I have heard at this point.....he had mental problems and possibly that was inherited from his father...his g/f has indicated he was 'mental' but was this alone enough to cause him to want to kill innocent people? I think he was consumed with hatred at this point in his life...why...well several possible factors ...he was a psychopath, a drug user ...prescribed by a doctor ...as in valium as in a drug that is known to cause some to get violent, he was a gambler and undoubtedly had lost a lot of money gambling as in the length of time he gambled...years and years and he bet huge amounts....as the laws of probability dictate that with the mathematical odds against him...he could not be anything but a loser....he had a big ego....it is possible that he deluded himself as well as his family that he was a winner...when in fact las vegas people know full well that there is nothing more expensive than comps...sure the hotels will give you free rooms, food etc. if you gamble big time ....knowing that translates into him losing big time....I think he had reached the point in his life where he realized he was a loser...but could not accept responsibility for it...he had to blame someone ...so he blamed las vegas....he became suicidal and wanted to exact revenge on vegas...that is my theory.

 

[Chuz Life]

This was much more than a suicide.

 

[Sundance508]

This was much more than a suicide.

Of course....a lot of innocent people were killed...otherwise no one would have ever heard of his suicide. Perhaps that is another angle...he wanted to be remembered...for something, for anything?

I think his decision to go suicidal played an integral role in this horrific scenario and thus it cannot be seperated from what he did ...as in--if he were not suicidal he would not have had the inclination to slaughter innocents in some sort of misguided and heinous manner...in his desperation he let evil come in and dominate him...make no mistake what he did was pure evil...if anything is to be learned...perhaps it is that everyone at some point in their lives succumbs to some sort of evil influence...to a greater extent for some and to a lesser extent for others.

Another thing of great importance in this case needs to be discussed.....how gambling ruins so many lives....we know that drugs ruins lives and lots of them...gambling is just another addiction but some would contend just as bad or perhaps even worse than being addicted to drugs.

Yet Vegas wants to excuse gambling...they do not even call it gambling...they call it gaming in a clever ploy to play up the 'entertainment' component...oh what could possibly be wrong with a little entertainment...as in their public relations ploy...vegas is not the gambling mecca...but an entertainment mecca....even tried to play it up as a family town for years...that marketing adventure finally failed...but Vegas is still seen by most as a not so bad place, as a place to go to have fun etc.

Never mind all those who have ruined their lives there, never mind how many have lost their families whilst pursuing a 'little entertainment' in Vegas, never mind all those who have completely lost everything in vegas by succumbing to the lure of easy money.

Just one other thing...unknown to most....vegas is at the top of the list for every social evil...from alcohol abuse to teen dliquency pregnacy etc.

Nevada Is Booming but So Are Social Problems

 

[Sundance508]

Las Vegas shooting: Paddock's girlfriend may be hiding something, sheriff suggests....and finally the sheriff talks about paddocks financial situation...........and it appears my theory regarding his motive may very well be correct--in fact is most likely correct....the narrative that was going around of paddock being a 'successful gambler' was b.s. as I explained...no one can gamble in Las Vegas for the length of time he did and not wind up a loser.....mathamatically impossible....now the sheriff fesses up.........Las Vegas shooting: Paddock's girlfriend may be hiding something, sheriff suggests

 

[rightwinger]

We may never know his motive

 

[Sundance508]

We may never know his motive

I posted it awhile back...in fact right after the shooting.....scroll back in time....the sheriffs latest statement re-inforces my theory.

 

[Picaro]

As someone who has lived in Las Vegas for years....I understand all too well how corrupt this place is. I am not talking about the 'mafioso' ---they were run out of town years ago.

The Italian Mob was replaced by the 'corporate mob' some say they are worse than the eyeties.

The mafioso certainly treated the locals better hence the well known preferance of the locals for the Italian mob rather than the corporations...who are seen as greedy as in...hard to get a comp for one thing. Not even to mention they prefer hiring foreigners.

Anyhow...to get to my point--Many understand and locals certainly do that one of the main reasons for suicide in vegas is driven by losing too much at the casino...it really does not have to be all that much to trigger a suicide...usually just enough for the gambler to realize he will have to change his lifestyle.

The shooter in vegas was definitely suicidal....some las vegas law enforcement was quoted as saying the guy had an escape plan....laughable....he rented the room in his own name and had screwed his door shut....how was he going to get out? Even if he had managed to get out...with his identity well known....how long could he have eluded capture. So...no....he had no plans to escape....he was suicidal and he proved that.

So....why did he go suicidal? That is the real question and one that the investigators I am convinced really do not want the answer to because it could/would make vegas and the gambling industry as a whole look very,very bad which of course it is. Countless lives lost and more families ruined by gambling losses than most can even comprehend....yet...the journalists and so called investigators have not put the pressure on the casinoes to cough up the finances of Paddock...and anyone that knows how the casinoes operate ...knows how they keep financial records on all those who gamble in their establishments....they know how much you gamble, they know how much you win/lose. They know how much you are worth etc. And all of this information is available on their computer system and readily revealed at the touch of a button....yet...has anyone see this angle(possible motive)pursued....did in fact the shooter go suicidal because of his gambling losses? I did see one juournalist ask the sheriff about the shooters finances...his question was brushed off.

The big boys in vegas fear unfavorable publicity and they definitely fear anything that would place government attention on how gambling hurts so many people. As in....they fear possible governmental regulations that might put a damper on how people can gamble....the corpporate heads of the casinoes care about one thing and one thing only....their bottome line....and as long as that is good.....they are happy and unconcerned about all the lives they have ruined in keeping their profits outrageously high.

Sounds like a very reasonable assessment. I gamble there frequently, as well as elsewhere, enough to file a W-2G every year and get audited every two years, and our little group of regulars weed out guys like that; they're very easy to spot, and any casino that claims they don't avidly cultivate and encourage them is a outright liar. Another insight about Vegas is the rampant dope use. Just pull over nearly anywhere along the highway to LA and look around on the ground; you're going to find 10 or 20 used needles rusty and old to brand new, within a 20 foot radius of where ever you pull over. You definitely do not want to stop and let your dog or kids out anywhere along that highway.

 

[Picaro]

It's a believable theory. The last thing Las Vegas casinos would have wanted as a headline is "Las Vegas gunman was a millionaire who lost almost everything gambling, leading to depression and the worst mass shooting in US history".

The longer authorities take with the investigation, wrong timelines, video surveillance withheld, people missing, etc etc...the more this looks like some sort of "cover-up". Not as in an "all-out conspiracy theory" but possibly covering up a motive like you theorize or some sort of liability of the casinos.

Yes....exactly. The shooter's gambling losses should have been the first thing the authorities checked out. Has anyone seen a report on that. I think not...because there is no report on that.

Anyone who lives or has lived in Las Vegas knows how corrupt it is...how the hotel owners control the politicians and the police dept.

The last thing the 'big boys' want talked about by the msm is gambling losses and suicides as in how many people have killed themselves because of losing money gambling in vegas casinoes.

There are too many things that just does not jibe with a disgruntled gaming addict scenario.

1. He wired over 100K to his gal pal in the Philippines. A gambling addict would sooner use that 100K to try to win back their losses before they would just give it away.

He could have just been trying to make a quick score of some kind, and sent buy money, probably for dope, to be smuggled back to the States, too, to build a bankroll back up. Gambling addiction is no different than drug addiction in what addicts will do to get money to feed their addictions.

 

[usmbguest5318]

So weeks after the Las Vegas massacre, the deadliest mass killing in the U.S. since 9/11, we are reminded:

• On October 1, a man shot and killed 58 people at an outdoor concert in Las Vegas -- the largest mass murder in modern American history.
• On October 3, President Donald Trump was asked about the impact of the shooting on current gun laws -- and possible future gun control measures. He said that his administration and Congress would "be talking about gun laws as time goes by." Trump was also asked whether the shooting was an act of domestic terrorism. He declined to answer.
• On October 4, in Las Vegas, Trump was again asked about possible legislative action on guns. "We're not going to talk about that today," he responded. "We won't talk about that."

So here we are in November, and has any legislative or executive action been taken, action that legitimately can be taken or shown to be a serious attempt to reduce the risk of another "Las Vegas" happening? Not that I think the bump stock moves that were discussed would help, but the folks who were "all about" curtailing bump stock availability haven't even followed through on that line of action. Nevermind that neither do we know why the gunman killed all those people, nor do we know why he killed himself.

 

[Picaro]

In related news, some big dog crapped in my yard again, and still nothing from Trump on what's being done about it.

 

[Manonthestreet]

If this was meticulously planned as alleged,,,why all the extra weapons he had no need of ......

 

[RodISHI]

Mandalay Bay Security guard does 'fluff' interview with ellen degenarate

Report: Jesus Campos Granted Fluff Interview with Ellen DeGeneres Due to MGM Lawsuit Fears

Just a note that I came across that may interest you on the Mandalay Bay Hotel. The top five floors are owned by Four Seasons which the two major shareholders are prince Al-Waleed who was just arrested for (money laundering in Saudi Arabia along with 11 other princes and four ministers) and Bill Gates. Al-Waleed has given multiple millions to the Clinton Foundation and he has also been implicated by the Ducth anti-fraud division for taking a four hundred million dollar bribe from a construction firm (does that sound familiar).

 

[Picaro]

If this was meticulously planned as alleged,,,why all the extra weapons he had no need of ......

Good question; looks like he was expecting others to show up and help him, or he expected to last a lot longer than he did.