Is it really worth it to live to over 80 years?

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Thought this was interesting and thought provoking.

I shall be 87 next month
I am totally deaf, partially blind, and can only read books with difficulty, so it is many years since I read a book, though I can read a computer screen easily
I’m very much overweight, and take pills daily, which I will do for life
Problems with legs and lungs make me largely housebound

I live alone, apart from my cat, but I am lucky in so far as I can look after myself Most of my friends of my generation are gone, and several are severely ill or have dementia, but also several others of my generation are still working

To some extent it is the gene lottery that keeps one going
though not always. My father was ill all his life, and died at 43
He, like my mother, could not swim or ride a bicycle
I could do both, as of course, could everyone of my generation

Both of my grandfathers were illiterate.
My mother and father could read, but neither ever read a book
There were no books in the house other than those I got myself.

My mother had two still born children prior to myself, and told me that I was a sickly child, so it would seem that neither nurture or Nature favored me.

So what is it that keeps one going into old age?
In my case it was largely the Times one was born in.
My grandparents born in the 1870–80’s London were poor.
They worked full time as young teenagers, so denied an education.

My parents born in 1900, were slightly better off, but as young teenagers were caught up in the 1914–18 war and later the Great Depression. They had few choices in life, and simply accepted that surviving was meeting the battles of the day.

My generation - 1930’s - were again better off, but there were few people I knew who owned a phone or a car, and even a radio was a luxury, but we did have one thing; WW2

Yes, WW2 had its downsides, but it did provide free travel, and a wide range of opportunities to be educated, and meet people if you were in the military, and if not, work was plentiful.
My mother who had earned a pitiful living as a house cleaner before the war, was now a machine operator in a wartime munitions factory, and getting relatively good money.

Wartime, for my generation who are now in the 70–90’s, had to look after themselves. Not so much in the USA, quite a bit in the UK, and totally in war-torn Europe
There was a great sense of purpose that a ‘World fit for heroes’ might exist, though not quite.

In answer to the question
‘Is it worth it to live over 80 years?’
My grandparents never knew, nor my parents, though a few crossed the line
It is common enough in my generation, but there is a ‘Dark zone’ where you know that even a slight illness can lead to complications
But today, anyone under 60 will most likely live past 80
and will do so in the knowledge that they are generally a button away from getting help if needed

What can you do if you make it to 80?
Well, if your brain and heart are in relatively good condition, you will be surprised to know that you will feel about 40, or even less

If you want to make it to 80, my advice is go for it
You will not be short of company.


 
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EDIT
Several people have commented about their elderly relatives who suffer from illness and loneliness.
It has been suggested that more people die of loneliness than illness, but worse, many who suffer from loneliness are neither ill nor old.

Part of the problem is both obvious and yet invisible. Here is a typical 1930’s sitting room of the sort I grew up in. No black boxes with shiny knobs and buttons. Somewhere a large radio; shelves with a few treasured possessions.
Every such room would have a personality of the owner. Designed to be warm and comfortable. One could go into most houses and recognize all the items; a windup clock; a sewing basket; a few books (no TV), a coal fire with coal tongs and poker, and a bucket of coal beside the fire, and a toasting fork.

(In this picture you can see a small hand pump on the left hand side of the fireplace. It was used to blow air when you started the fire every day, that is, after you had raked the cinders out, made firelighters out of rolled up newspapers, sorted out unburnt cinders, and cleaned up. You bought small bundles of wood as fire starters, and if you had the money, then you could buy wax covered paper that lit up instantly (what luxury).


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Every technological advancement took away a minor joy. The electric toaster took away the joy of using a toasting fork to make toast in front of an open coal fire that you stared into, as if hypnotized as the coal burnt and created shapes.
The toast would be covered in home made jam. One felt safe in such surroundings.

When my mother made an apple pie, I saw her make the dough, roll it out, peel the apples, stoke the cast iron stove, boil the custard, lay the table, poke the pie with a knife to see if it was cooked, then deliver it triumphantly straight from the oven to us as we waited in anticipation.
On first taste, we look at her and say ‘It’s delicious, can I have a second helping’. She would smile. It was her way of saying ‘I love you all’, and our way of saying ‘We know you do’.

Technology has given us microwave ovens, precooked pies, and tinned custard, but there is one ingredient they left out.

That is why the elderly are lonely.
 
It all depends on the person. First, you have to stay active, laugh a lot and keep making meaningful decisions. Do everything you can. If you have a decent amount of independence and a grateful family, life can be great, like it is for my 93 year old mother, God bless her. Merry Christmas to everyone.
 
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Thank you so much for sharing your precious recollections and perspectives. I have many memories that I prize far beyond anything I see today, and I'm only just shy of 70.

Give me the old memories any day. The technology is a bore.

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Did you think that was me? It was reproduced from someone else.

Although l do like the idea of the toasting fork.

And l get the writer’s point. Modern technology, as great as it is, has alienated us from one another.
 
Did you think that was me? It was reproduced from someone else.

Although l do like the idea of the toasting fork.

And l get the writer’s point. Modern technology, as great as it is, has alienated us from one another.
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Oh, I thought some of it was in your voice.

Anyway, it's all beautiful.

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I am only seventy-four, but I have seen a number of my relatives who lived into their eighties or nineties quite enjoy and cherish life up until their death so I will say, yes for many it is well worth it.
 
A documentary on Netflix about the "blue zones", where people regularly live 10 years or longer than global averages.
They traveled to every single blue zone, looking for clues - is it food or eating habits, is it they stay active longer?
In the end, people in those blue zones eat all kinds of different foods, with different nutritional values - there was no secret food. Some are more active than other societies, some are not.

BUT - they all did have one thing in common. Every one of them.
Their culture revered the elderly. They include them in all things. They VALUE them.
We... do not.
They are not lonely, they don't feel isolated and useless.
In every blue zone there is also one thing missing. One thing not a single one had... nursing homes.
 
Thought this was interesting and thought provoking.

I shall be 87 next month
I am totally deaf, partially blind, and can only read books with difficulty, so it is many years since I read a book, though I can read a computer screen easily
I’m very much overweight, and take pills daily, which I will do for life
Problems with legs and lungs make me largely housebound

I live alone, apart from my cat, but I am lucky in so far as I can look after myself Most of my friends of my generation are gone, and several are severely ill or have dementia, but also several others of my generation are still working

To some extent it is the gene lottery that keeps one going
though not always. My father was ill all his life, and died at 43
He, like my mother, could not swim or ride a bicycle
I could do both, as of course, could everyone of my generation

Both of my grandfathers were illiterate.
My mother and father could read, but neither ever read a book
There were no books in the house other than those I got myself.

My mother had two still born children prior to myself, and told me that I was a sickly child, so it would seem that neither nurture or Nature favored me.

So what is it that keeps one going into old age?
In my case it was largely the Times one was born in.
My grandparents born in the 1870–80’s London were poor.
They worked full time as young teenagers, so denied an education.

My parents born in 1900, were slightly better off, but as young teenagers were caught up in the 1914–18 war and later the Great Depression. They had few choices in life, and simply accepted that surviving was meeting the battles of the day.

My generation - 1930’s - were again better off, but there were few people I knew who owned a phone or a car, and even a radio was a luxury, but we did have one thing; WW2

Yes, WW2 had its downsides, but it did provide free travel, and a wide range of opportunities to be educated, and meet people if you were in the military, and if not, work was plentiful.
My mother who had earned a pitiful living as a house cleaner before the war, was now a machine operator in a wartime munitions factory, and getting relatively good money.

Wartime, for my generation who are now in the 70–90’s, had to look after themselves. Not so much in the USA, quite a bit in the UK, and totally in war-torn Europe
There was a great sense of purpose that a ‘World fit for heroes’ might exist, though not quite.

In answer to the question
‘Is it worth it to live over 80 years?’
My grandparents never knew, nor my parents, though a few crossed the line
It is common enough in my generation, but there is a ‘Dark zone’ where you know that even a slight illness can lead to complications
But today, anyone under 60 will most likely live past 80
and will do so in the knowledge that they are generally a button away from getting help if needed

What can you do if you make it to 80?
Well, if your brain and heart are in relatively good condition, you will be surprised to know that you will feel about 40, or even less

If you want to make it to 80, my advice is go for it
You will not be short of company.


I couldn't say if it's worth living past 80. But what's the alternative????? Suicide?
 
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BUT - they all did have one thing in common. Every one of them.
Their culture revered the elderly. They include them in all things. They VALUE them.

I think this is true. I saw it in the Canary Isles. Things were geared up for old people. Every day, crowds of older people, men and women, mingling on the streets, enjoying coffee at outdoor coffee bars.
 
I think this is true. I saw it in the Canary Isles. Things were geared up for old people. Every day, crowds of older people, men and women, mingling on the streets, enjoying coffee at outdoor coffee bars.
Indeed.
How we treat the elderly is a VERY shameful side of Western culture.
Ageism is the last remaining "ism" that is alive and well.
Particularly here in America where our culture is damningly youth centric.
I am only 58, and in our society, I already feel disconnected and distanced.

And, just sayin, when my father died in January 2017 it became apparent pretty quick that mom wasn't doing well mentally. So we bought a house with a walk in basement, put in a kitchen and bathroom designed for an elderly person. She lives with us.
 
I could say if it's worth living past 80. But what's the alternative????? Suicide?

I wouldn’t have the guts. I was watching ‘It’s a Wonderful Life’ the other night, and the sight of those swirling waters George was contemplating jumping into! :eek:
 
I wouldn’t have the guts. I was watching ‘It’s a Wonderful Life’ the other night, and the sight of those swirling waters George was contemplating jumping into! :eek:
I think a lot of people get depressed during the holidays, especially those who are short on family or friends. I don't think a lot about old age but I probably will in the future. I don't miss stuff like hand pumps and making toast in the fireplace. I never knew it. I will probably miss Grand Theft Auto and things like that.
 
Indeed.
How we treat the elderly is a VERY shameful side of Western culture.
Ageism is the last remaining "ism" that is alive and well.
Particularly here in America where our culture is damningly youth centric.
I am only 58, and in our society, I already feel disconnected and distanced.

And, just sayin, when my father died in January 2017 it became apparent pretty quick that mom wasn't doing well mentally. So we bought a house with a walk in basement, put in a kitchen and bathroom designed for an elderly person. She lives with us.

What l’ve noticed in America, is how many ‘older’ people get jobs, any kind of job. If only for something to do, the socialising, the money. I met a retired classics professor who was doing cooking demos to promote a product, in a local store. Another guy served takeaway pizzas. They loved it, got them out and about, met someone new every day.

This is not so in Europe, Germany being particularly bad at tossing people on the scrap heap at 50.
 

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