Is it Constitutional to sign a bill without seeing it?

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    My guess is that Obama will resign the law before this gets to court rendering the issue moot, but I would love to see this challenged.

    Barack Obama | Autopen Signature | Patriot Act Extension | The Daily Caller

    I do have a prediction though, all the Obamabots will line up in defense of this.
     
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    If the President authorizes the signature... i dont really see the issue.

    Besides, as long as the President doesnt veto within ten days, the bill is deemed to have been signed anyway. It's a moot point because even if a court ruled that the President cant sign this way, his lack of veto would make it a law anyway.
     
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    It is not moot because the provisions of the law they are worried about would have lapsed without his signature before midnight last night. That would leave us completely open to attack.
     
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    I missed the part where he didn't read it.
     
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    Here is the question you are asking. "Is it ok for a machine to sign a bill in to law." The answer is easily no.
     
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    When you have your wife sign your name on your check, it's it legal?
     
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    No. Just as if she were to use my credit card with my permission. The president cannot delegate his specific constitutional authority to a machine. Will anyone complain? No. But is it legal? Also no. Any terrorists that that can prove that he is caught on us soil due to information received during the 10 day time frame can now contest the evidence and win.
     
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    And exactly who said you can't legally delegate signatory authority to your wife? As for using your credit card w/o your permission, you should go back and read the fine print on your credit card contract. The POTUS can authorize the 'autopen' to be used to sign a bill as far as I know. The constitution says he must sign it, it doesn't define 'sign'. So, it will be up to lawyers and judges to determine what 'sign' means in the constitution. But since I know that he authorized the use of the autopen, I don't have a problem with it. But I do have a problem with the Patriot Act.
     
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    I had to get a Government Authorized online signature. That was what.................2002 I think.

    Get with the times. It's technology. If you know he "authorized" the bill, which is in effect what his signature is only meant to REFLECT, then this is poo-pooing childish bullshit that nobody really gives a fuck about....to be frank.
     
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    The President cannot give Power of Auttourney to an autopen and delegate SPECIFIC constitutional requirements to a machine. Trust me. If any lawyer finds that information of his client was gathered during the 10 day time perioud he could have it thrown out.
     
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