Is Homosexuality a Mental Disorder ?

[RosieS]

Dunno what a track record has to do with it.

You dunno. Really? We have all of recorded history where it was/is considered deviant but in the last 20 or less years we are told by the very vocal minority that we are phobic or deranged if we don't think it's normal. How does that not matter to you?

Why are you repulsed by what you do not, and should not, know?

That ignorant repulsion is more than a little crazy.

I'll stick with the opinions of 99.999999999999999999999999% of the rest of mankind. Thanks.

Your kind of crazy and fearing that which you will never do is petty and minor.

I find walking on hot coals repulsive. It makes me anxious watching it, no matter how many reassurances people give. I will never ever do it.

Worse than that is sword swallowing. I can't bear to watch, even if some fake it. I will never ever do it and will not watch it, either, due to being repulsed.

If that is a metaphor for you, then you need to rethink things and not choose crazy.

No one needs to care about my minor and petty tics

If you are repulsed by men having sex with men, you are watching the WRONG PORNOS.

Stick with straight porn and your craziness will end.

Regards from Rosie

 

[aaronleland]

 

[GISMYS]

God let them go ahead into every sort of sex sin, and do whatever they wanted to—yes, vile and sinful things with each other’s bodies. 25 Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they prayed to the things God made, but wouldn’t obey the blessed God who made these things. So it was that when they gave God up and would not even acknowledge him, God gave them up to doing everything their evil minds could think of. ROMANS 1:24-28

 

[Nosmo King]

God let them go ahead into every sort of sex sin, and do whatever they wanted to—yes, vile and sinful things with each other’s bodies. 25 Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they prayed to the things God made, but wouldn’t obey the blessed God who made these things. So it was that when they gave God up and would not even acknowledge him, God gave them up to doing everything their evil minds could think of. ROMANS 1:24-28

Should we use the Bible as the DSM? Should we use the Bible as a Code of Law, a textbook, the final authority on morality and ethics? Would you advocate a system of laws based on biblical interpretation? Who gets to do that interpretation? Would a form of Christian sharia law be a better model for this country? What are your views on those who do not adhere strictly to the Bible? Should they too have a voice, or should they be shunned as unbelievers?

 

[GreenBean]

Ugh...this again.

Two things are absent from this APA reclassification some of the knuckle-dragging anti-homosexuals use to bolster what they think is an argument:

They apparently believe the top psychiatrists in the field were incapable of making sensible, informed decisions about an area in which they specialize and spend a great deal of time studying and interacting with patients. They have this sense professionals and doctors would not look at the science, all their data and dealings with the matter and forgo their reputations and discipline in the field to concede to noisy rabbles. The only answer for them is: those doctors must have been 'bullied.'

It only passed by 55%
Of that 55% - some were by forged ballots and forged credentials

Also - When discussing this change in classification to “not a disorder” back in 73, what isn't discussed is why it was first classified as a disorder in the first place.

Actually, it wasn't entirely deleted from the DSM - it was initially reclassified as a "Sexual Orientation Disorder"

Go back into the history of the study of psychiatry and methods used back then - heck, we only have to go back a few more decades and recall for homosexuality, some forms of depression and certain maladies, they were drilling holes in people's skulls, they were taking out full sections of their brains, butchering their frontal lobes, they were attaching electric nodes to their heads and electrocuting people in attempts to cure.

Nice History - did you ever watch "One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest" - what you say is true but is not really relevant to the argument at hand.

The evidence was seen, eventually, this did not work. Science, of course, is a process of trial and error and learning.

Which involves Scientific Objectivity - trial and error learning that is - I will adress that a bit further on.

Masturbation was once classified as a disorder and a cause of mental illness.

Not for several Centuries - I believe that was even pre-Freud

When they changed THAT classification, I wonder how many sad souls inhaled a great sigh of relief or did they strike out at the APA for having the audacity - the sheer gall - at reclassifying what would make most of us "disordered" today.

Who is "Most of Us" 2 - 5% of the population ? ... and of that 2 - 5% many are well aware of the fact that they have a problem,some have sought counseling - However Gay propagandists are going to great lengths to deny them the right to get the counseling they desire.


A former president of the American Psychological Association (APA), who also introduced the motion to declassify homosexuality as a mental illness in 1975, says that the APA has been taken over by “ultraliberals” beholden to the “gay rights movement,” who refuse to allow an open debate on reparative therapy for homosexuality.

In an interview with representatives of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) in late April, Cummings said that the organization’s problems began with the rejection of the Leona Tyler Principle, which required that all public positions of the APA be supported by scientific evidence.

The APA “started changing pretty drastically by the late 1980s,” said Cummings. “By the mid 1990s, the Leona Tyler principle was absolutely forgotten, that political stances seemed to override any scientific results. Cherry-picking results became the mode. The gay rights movement sort of captured the APA.”

LifeSiteNews Mobile | Former president of APA says organization controlled by ?gay rights? movement



The Leona Tyler Principle, adopted by the American Psychological Association (APA) in 1973, has just been unanimously adopted by NARTH’s Governing Board on the advice of its Scientific Advisory Committee. In essence, the principle states that when psychologists are speaking as members of their profession, any advocacy in which they engage should be based on scientific data and demonstrable professional experience. Perhaps Dr. Tyler, then APA’s president, was able to foresee the day when organized psychology would be influenced by activism, and she wanted to ensure that psychology as a profession would not be eroded as it has today.

NARTH adopts Leona Tyler Principle

 

[GISMYS]

God let them go ahead into every sort of sex sin, and do whatever they wanted to—yes, vile and sinful things with each other’s bodies. 25 Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they prayed to the things God made, but wouldn’t obey the blessed God who made these things. So it was that when they gave God up and would not even acknowledge him, God gave them up to doing everything their evil minds could think of. ROMANS 1:24-28

Should we use the Bible as the DSM? Should we use the Bible as a Code of Law, a textbook, the final authority on morality and ethics? Would you advocate a system of laws based on biblical interpretation? Who gets to do that interpretation? Would a form of Christian sharia law be a better model for this country? What are your views on those who do not adhere strictly to the Bible? Should they too have a voice, or should they be shunned as unbelievers?

YES!!! OUR GOOD laws are based on biblical interpretation. poor laws come from man's ideas and opinions.

 

[Nosmo King]

God let them go ahead into every sort of sex sin, and do whatever they wanted to—yes, vile and sinful things with each other’s bodies. 25 Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they prayed to the things God made, but wouldn’t obey the blessed God who made these things. So it was that when they gave God up and would not even acknowledge him, God gave them up to doing everything their evil minds could think of. ROMANS 1:24-28

Should we use the Bible as the DSM? Should we use the Bible as a Code of Law, a textbook, the final authority on morality and ethics? Would you advocate a system of laws based on biblical interpretation? Who gets to do that interpretation? Would a form of Christian sharia law be a better model for this country? What are your views on those who do not adhere strictly to the Bible? Should they too have a voice, or should they be shunned as unbelievers?

YES!!! OUR GOOD laws are based on biblical interpretation. poor laws come from man's ideas and opinions.

So you think science, just as it was in Galileo's time, should take a back seat to someone's interpretation of the Bible. How is that attitude supposed to make us wise, free and smarter?

 

[GISMYS]

True science is part of GOD'S creation. There is no conflict with GOD and true science!

 

[Howey]

Homosexuality is not a disorder, however the fear of homosexuality is.

 

[GreenBean]

i'm straight. And i don't see the use in repulsion. I embrace tolerance rather than blind fear and hatred. No homosexual has ever harmed me. I believe in the american principles of live and let live, personal freedom, and tolerance.

40 million+ dead from hiv aids and another 40million+ hiv positive and countless millions more with std's and ruined lives of shame and guilt=the price of sick abomination sexual perversion!

You might have a point if all those cases of HIV AIDS were exclusively a result of homosexual contact. But we both know the facts. AIDS in Africa is pandemic due to the lack of information, condoms and medical facilities. We also know that drugs have been developed to stem the tide of HIV AIDS, but those drugs are not widely available in the regions most adversely affected.

And you speak of "ruined lives of shame and guilt". Who is casting the shame and guilt but ardent homophobes?

HIV / AIDS originates in homosexuality - IV drug users were also getting it by sharing needles, many innocent people got it through transfusions from tainted blood. {Yet many Gays insist they should still be able to donate Blood}

When the virus first began appearing -the syndrome was initially termed "GRID", or gay-related immune deficiency.

As per US Statistics Aids.gov
Although Gay Men represent about 4% of the male population in the United States in 2010, they accounted for 78% of new HIV infections

 

[GISMYS]

Homosexuality is not a disorder, however the fear of homosexuality is.

"Homosexuality" is a sick choice,a unnatural choice,a perverted choice,an abomination!!!

 

[Iceweasel]

Back in the dark days of slavery it was posited that Blacks were not fully human beings. There was a long track record of that belief to bolster the bigots. Is this the kind of 'track record' you cling to here?

Since you can't articulate a coherant response to what I said it's you who are the bigot. Everything I said is true. I didn't say anything about being inhuman and past wrongs are a poor excuse to justify anything. In this case it's the homosexual slander than failure to embrace it as normal is a disorder. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Is Homosexuality a Mental Disorder ?

Sexuality can be the vehicle for addiction, whether hetero or homo, yes.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Back in the dark days of slavery it was posited that Blacks were not fully human beings. There was a long track record of that belief to bolster the bigots. Is this the kind of 'track record' you cling to here?

Since you can't articulate a coherant response to what I said it's you who are the bigot. Everything I said is true. I didn't say anything about being inhuman and past wrongs are a poor excuse to justify anything. In this case it's the homosexual slander than failure to embrace it as normal is a disorder. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

The inability to adapt to social and cultural change can be a disorder, yes.

 

[Iceweasel]

I'm straight. And I don't see the use in repulsion. I embrace tolerance rather than blind fear and hatred. No homosexual has ever harmed me. I believe in the American principles of live and let live, personal freedom, and tolerance.

What's wrong with repulsion? People are supposed to lie to make you feel better? Lot's of heterosexual stuff is repulsive as well. If they said I had a disorder I'd give it right back to them.

 

[Iceweasel]

Your kind of crazy and fearing that which you will never do is petty and minor.

Your continued slander is petty and minor. I'm not afraid of you or any whack job that wants to intimidate people into believe homosexuality is normal. What you do is your business but telling me I am wrong to be repulsed is where you cross the line.

I find walking on hot coals repulsive. It makes me anxious watching it, no matter how many reassurances people give. I will never ever do it.

Worse than that is sword swallowing. I can't bear to watch, even if some fake it. I will never ever do it and will not watch it, either, due to being repulsed.

If that is a metaphor for you, then you need to rethink things and not choose crazy.

No, you need to rethink how stupid you are for trying to brainwash and insult people into bowing down to your demands. Ain't gonna happen.

No one needs to care about my minor and petty tics

If you are repulsed by men having sex with men, you are watching the WRONG PORNOS.

Stick with straight porn and your craziness will end.

Regards from Rosie

Your craziness is probably just beginning.

 

[GISMYS]

every homo harms everyone around them. unnatural,perverted,shame, ruined lives,guilt sickness and death!

 

[RosieS]

Your kind of crazy and fearing that which you will never do is petty and minor.

Your continued slander is petty and minor. I'm not afraid of you or any whack job that wants to intimidate people into believe homosexuality is normal. What you do is your business but telling me I am wrong to be repulsed is where you cross the line.

I find walking on hot coals repulsive. It makes me anxious watching it, no matter how many reassurances people give. I will never ever do it.

Worse than that is sword swallowing. I can't bear to watch, even if some fake it. I will never ever do it and will not watch it, either, due to being repulsed.

If that is a metaphor for you, then you need to rethink things and not choose crazy.

No, you need to rethink how stupid you are for trying to brainwash and insult people into bowing down to your demands. Ain't gonna happen.

No one needs to care about my minor and petty tics

If you are repulsed by men having sex with men, you are watching the WRONG PORNOS.

Stick with straight porn and your craziness will end.

Regards from Rosie

Your craziness is probably just beginning.

Look up slander. If you are hearing these words that I type; you are certifiable.

Regards from Rosie

 

[GreenBean]

Homosexuality is not a disorder, however the fear of homosexuality is.

Prove it - Don't just spout off and disappear - the purpose of Open Forums is for everybody to speak their mind as articulately as they are capable - I know you're capable of better than that .

 

[paperview]

Ugh...this again.

Two things are absent from this APA reclassification some of the knuckle-dragging anti-homosexuals use to bolster what they think is an argument:

They apparently believe the top psychiatrists in the field were incapable of making sensible, informed decisions about an area in which they specialize and spend a great deal of time studying and interacting with patients. They have this sense professionals and doctors would not look at the science, all their data and dealings with the matter and forgo their reputations and discipline in the field to concede to noisy rabbles. The only answer for them is: those doctors must have been 'bullied.'

It only passed by 55%
Of that 55% - some were by forged ballots and forged credentials

Also - When discussing this change in classification to “not a disorder” back in 73, what isn't discussed is why it was first classified as a disorder in the first place.

Actually, it wasn't entirely deleted from the DSM - it was initially reclassified as a "Sexual Orientation Disorder"




Nice History - did you ever watch "One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest" - what you say is true but is not really relevant to the argument at hand.

Which involves Scientific Objectivity - trial and error learning that is - I will adress that a bit further on.

Masturbation was once classified as a disorder and a cause of mental illness.

Not for several Centuries - I believe that was even pre-Freud

When they changed THAT classification, I wonder how many sad souls inhaled a great sigh of relief or did they strike out at the APA for having the audacity - the sheer gall - at reclassifying what would make most of us "disordered" today.

Who is "Most of Us" 2 - 5% of the population ? ... and of that 2 - 5% many are well aware of the fact that they have a problem,some have sought counseling - However Gay propagandists are going to great lengths to deny them the right to get the counseling they desire.
...

In an interview with representatives of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH)...

We've already been through your Narth garbage before.
DSM-III-R (1987)

In 1987, the DSM-III-R was published as a revision of the DSM-III, under the direction of Spitzer. Categories were renamed and reorganized, and significant changes in criteria were made.

Six categories were deleted while others were added.

Controversial diagnoses, such as pre-menstrual dysphoric disorder and masochistic personality disorder, were considered and discarded. "Sexual orientation disturbance" was also removed and was largely subsumed under "sexual disorder not otherwise specified", which can include "persistent and marked distress about one’s sexual orientation."[23][34] Altogether, the DSM-III-R contained 292 diagnoses and was 567 pages long. Further efforts were made for the diagnoses to be purely descriptive, although the introductory text stated that for at least some disorders, "particularly the Personality Disorders, the criteria require much more inference on the part of the observer" (p. xxiii).[17]

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders

I'm not going to waste my time arguing again with an obvious raging homophobe -- except to laugh my ass off that you think people who masturbate make up only 2 to 5% of the population.