Is Braggs stretching it with a felony?

[Faun]

That's funny. The same people who projected Hillary with a 98% chance of winning in 2016!

LOLOL

You sayin' their projection was wrong??

 

[Faun]

And that allegation stems from being accused of overvaluing his properties to defraud banks when IN FACT the banks do Not Use his estimations but rather the valuations defined by their staff appraisers.
As always you know not whereof you speak.

Still falsified business records.

 

[Flopper]

The part that implies Trump was illegally “buying silence”
Also the part that has a states attorney trying to run federal charges through his state.
Part of your fakery is the excessive indexing you use. That fools zero thinkers.

There would have been absolutely nothing illegal about buying silence if Trump would have done it legally which would have meant declaring the hushmoney payments and any legal fees as campaign contribution and expenses. However, that would mean his sexual promiscuities would once again be drug before the public. So he Turned to Cohen, his fixer.

 

[Faun]

State of NY referencing federal issues and trying to commingle into state statutes

The NY law simply states it's a felony if business records are falsified in order to commit another "crime," conceal another "crime," or aid someone else in committing a "crime."

ANY "crime." Their own or someone else's. State or Federal. ANY "crime."

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

No, he pled guilty, was disbarred, and paid hundreds of thousands in fines.

And he was one of the better presidents of my lifetime despite his sexual proclivities.

And make no mistake about it ANY MAN would have lied to congress about an affair to try shielding his family and himself from public humiliation. Infidelity is as old as humans and has no real place in political discourse unless illegal or abusive allegations are involved.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

There would have been absolutely nothing illegal about buying silence if Trump would have done it legally which would have meant declaring the hushmoney payments and any legal fees as campaign contribution and expenses. However, that would mean his sexual promiscuities would once again be drug before the public. So he Turned to Cohen, his fixer.

You can't prove that so why state it?

I saw YOU soliciting gay men in a park the other day. I have no proof but well you know, these are fair political standards right?

 

[Flopper]

State of NY referencing federal issues and trying to commingle into state statutes

Falsifying businesses records with the intent to conceal the commission of a crime becomes a felony. The law does not say federal or state, misdemeanor or felony, simply a crime. Bragg has used this law 31 times in the past year when crimes were both federal and state.

There are also state laws that could come into play, one being illegally calming hushmoney payments as legal fees on state income taxes returns as well as state banking laws.

 

[WorldWatcher]

State of NY referencing federal issues and trying to commingle into state statutes

New York State law says that for the felony enhancement the intent must have been to aid in or conceal another crime.

It does not say that crime that the indicted individual is charged with can't have been committed by another or that the crime must have been a state crime. Under Section 175.10 of the New York State Penal Code attempting to aid in or conceal the crimes that Cohen (criminal) and Pecker (civil) have already been charged with and determined to be guilty of would qualify not problem. Bragg won't have to prove that Cohen and Pecker committed crimes, those are already adjudicated at the federal level (criminal for Cohen and FEC for Pecker). Bragg will have to show that Trump was involved with the planning and as a result intentionally violated New York State business law.

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[WorldWatcher]

And he was one of the better presidents of my lifetime despite his sexual proclivities.

And make no mistake about it ANY MAN would have lied to congress about an affair to try shielding his family and himself from public humiliation. Infidelity is as old as humans and has no real place in political discourse unless illegal or abusive allegations are involved.

It seems the FDOTUS was not concerned about shielding his family or himself from public humiliation as at one point he directed that they try to delay the payment until after the election because then they could stiff the porn star since it wouldn't matter.

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[WorldWatcher]

You can't prove that so why state it?

I saw YOU soliciting gay men in a park the other day. I have no proof but well you know, these are fair political standards right?

He can't no. You are correct.

However the District Attorney can present evidence to the Jury including:

• Testimony by David Pecker (AMI Media Chief Editor)
• Testimony by Allen Weisselberg (Trump Organization Chief Financial Officer)
• Testimony by Michael Cohen (Trump Personal Attorney, corroborated by others and with documentation)
• Testimony of others such as staff and assistants
• Texts,
• Emails,
• Shell company legal documents
• Home loan documents,
• Invoices,
• Business ledgers
• Checks
• And, we know Cohen made audio tapes for CYA (Karen McDougal Tape already released to the public), so possibly Trump's own voice being involved with the planning.

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[WEATHER53]

Still falsified business records.

There is no adverse outcome to the act and no ability nor intent to deceive so as always it’s just your feelings

 

[WEATHER53]

Nope
You read it incorrectly
What would make him guilty was that he did it with intent to deceive or deceived and benefitted while putting banks in peril
The checks and balances that banks always have in place to protect themselves prevented that. It does not matter your feelings about what else he might have wanted to do or could have done.
You are good at listing bullet points but obviously Very inexperienced with the business and lending world.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Nope
You read it incorrectly
What would make him guilty was that he did it with intent to deceive or deceived and benefitted while putting banks in peril
The checks and balances that banks always have in place to protect themselves prevented that. It does not matter your feelings about what else he might have wanted to do or could have done.
You are good at listing bullet points but obviously Very inexperienced with the business and lending world.

I have no indicator of who you were responding to, but you bringing up Trumps property valuations problems has nothing to do with the Manhattan DA case involving the money scheme with Cohen, Pecker and Weisseilberg to advantage the campaign.

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[Pappadave1]

Bragg did not indict Trump on any federal charges.

No, but he's trying to bootstrap a federal misdemeanor into a NY State "felony," on the dubious rationale that there was a "conspiracy" to fool voters in November of 2016 by his "attorney" obscuring a very dubious charge by a porn actress right before the election and then reimbursing that attorney's hush money in June of 2017! IF Trump committed a federal election misdemeanor (and the FEC says he didn't) it didn't take place until long AFTER he'd been elected so couldn't POSSIBLY have "deceived" the voters in November of 2016...which ALSO would have been a misdemeanor. BOTH such "crimes" had their statute of limitations expire YEARS ago, and Trump did NOT "move" in order to make himself unavailable. The whole WORLD knew where he was.

 

[Faun]

There is no adverse outcome to the act and no ability nor intent to deceive so as always it’s just your feelings

There doesn't have to be an adverse outcome. It's intent which matters. It's still a crime to falsify business records. Both Cohen and AMI have been convicted of crimes. All Bragg has to do is prove Trump falsified business records to conceal their either of their crimes.

 

[Faun]

No, but he's trying to bootstrap a federal misdemeanor into a NY State "felony," on the dubious rationale that there was a "conspiracy" to fool voters in November of 2016 by his "attorney" obscuring a very dubious charge by a porn actress right before the election and then reimbursing that attorney's hush money in June of 2017! IF Trump committed a federal election misdemeanor (and the FEC says he didn't) it didn't take place until long AFTER he'd been elected so couldn't POSSIBLY have "deceived" the voters in November of 2016...which ALSO would have been a misdemeanor. BOTH such "crimes" had their statute of limitations expire YEARS ago, and Trump did NOT "move" in order to make himself unavailable. The whole WORLD knew where he was.

AGAIN... Bragg did not charge Trump with committing a federal crime. He didn't charge Trump with violating any FEC regulations.

 

[Nostra]

AGAIN... Bragg did not charge Trump with committing a federal crime. He didn't charge Trump with violating any FEC regulations.

And he has yet to tell us what the underlying crime is he claims elevates long ago expired misdemeanors to felonies, Simp.

 

[WorldWatcher]

No, but he's trying to bootstrap a federal misdemeanor into a NY State "felony," on the dubious rationale that there was a "conspiracy" to fool voters in November of 2016 by his "attorney" obscuring a very dubious charge by a porn actress right before the election and then reimbursing that attorney's hush money in June of 2017! IF Trump committed a federal election misdemeanor (and the FEC says he didn't) it didn't take place until long AFTER he'd been elected so couldn't POSSIBLY have "deceived" the voters in November of 2016...which ALSO would have been a misdemeanor. BOTH such "crimes" had their statute of limitations expire YEARS ago, and Trump did NOT "move" in order to make himself unavailable. The whole WORLD knew where he was.

#1 Trump isn't charged with any federal crime.

#2 Trump is charged with a felony, and it doesn't matter under New York State law if New York knew where he was or not. The statute of limitations for felony charges is 5 years with up to 5 additional years for periods when the defendant was outside the state. That 2017 + 5 years is 2022. Add the time in DC and FL and the DA is still well within the SOL.

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[WorldWatcher]

And he has yet to tell us what the underlying crime is he claims elevates long ago expired misdemeanors to felonies, Simp.

Sure he did, the crimes committed by others that Trump attempted to aid in and or conceal are documented in the Statement of Facts that were submitted to the court at the same time the indictment was unsealed.

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[Faun]

And he has yet to tell us what the underlying crime is he claims elevates long ago expired misdemeanors to felonies, Simp.

Read the statement of facts, Dumbfuck.