Is banning guns to save lives even logical?

[The Purge]

 

[Kondor3]

No.

The Right to Bear Arms is sacred in the American lexicon and should not be overthrown.

On the other hand, nationwide and effective licensing, registration, vetting and transaction controls are desperately overdue.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Lemme guess, you Law Abiding Citizen is standing in a Walmart that just got evacuated due to him being in there with his open carry. It appears that the other "Citizen" might have a point.

 

[The Purge]

Lemme guess, you Law Abiding Citizen is standing in a Walmart that just got evacuated due to him being in there with his open carry. It appears that the other "Citizen" might have a point.

Then again you seem to enjoy the fact that your Constitutional rights have been abridged and more people are killed with a knife each year than with avgun....So when are you radicals going to start the BAN THE KNIFE movement?....ABNORMALS simply want all your rights abridged in one form or another!

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

No.

The Right to Bear Arms is sacred in the American lexicon and should not be overthrown.

On the other hand, nationwide and effective licensing, registration, vetting and transaction controls are desperately overdue.

Like I said before, if we give in to those demands to convert a right to a privilege, issue a license, and charge a fee:

1. What do we get in return? Unlimited access to all firearms? You allegedly will have closed the gaps with the vetting and transaction controls. Why not? It can't be all give and no take. We have already been giving and not taking for decades and we are AGAIN asked to sacrifice. Is there going to be ANY compromise?

2. How will you guarantee that this will be the last control measures taken? The moment those controls are in place, there will be yet another mass shooting and the gun-grabbers will be back at it with equal furry. Why should we give in when we know it's just a stepping stone for more?

3. How can we EVER trust the gun-grabbers after they tried to get our right to keep and bear arms REVOKED as an individual right by legislation from the bench? We had to fight them all the way to the SCOTUS. THAT IS UNFORGIVABLE. WE SHOULD REPEAL ALL GUN LAWS FOR THAT ACT OF BAD FAITH ALONE.

The reality is the gun-grabbers are a bunch of commies authoritarian ass fuckers who have lied, cheated, and stole to relieve us of our right. THEY CAN GO FUCK THEMSELVES until they prove themselves to be trustworthy, in maybe 1000 years or so. It is that unforgivable.

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[Daryl Hunt]

Lemme guess, you Law Abiding Citizen is standing in a Walmart that just got evacuated due to him being in there with his open carry. It appears that the other "Citizen" might have a point.

Then again you seem to enjoy the fact that your Constitutional rights have been abridged and more people are killed with a knife each year than with avgun....So when are you radicals going to start the BAN THE KNIFE movement?....ABNORMALS simply want all your rights abridged in one form or another!

Let's do a fact check on that.

FACT CHECK: Are Four Times More People Stabbed to Death Than Killed with Rifles?

Unproven

Origin

On 16 October 2017, Breitbart.com posted a story reporting that according to 2016 crime statistics published by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, more people are murdered with knives or by beaten to death than with rifles:


According to FBI: UCR Table 12, there were approximately 374 people shot and killed with rifles of any kind. There were 1,604 people killed with “knives or cutting instruments.”

Table 12 also shows that more people were killed via the use of “hands, fists, feet, etc.,” than were killed by rifles of any kind. In fact, the tally shows that the death numbers were not even close. While approximately 374 people were shot and killed with rifles, roughly 656 people were beaten to death with “hands, fists, feet, etc.”
.....
When you go to the Table 12, you see that in order to get to the figures that Briebart claims you are going to have to add in Knive and cutting devices along with hands, feet, clubs, etc.. This is another Kleck moment.

 

[The Purge]

Lemme guess, you Law Abiding Citizen is standing in a Walmart that just got evacuated due to him being in there with his open carry. It appears that the other "Citizen" might have a point.

Then again you seem to enjoy the fact that your Constitutional rights have been abridged and more people are killed with a knife each year than with avgun....So when are you radicals going to start the BAN THE KNIFE movement?....ABNORMALS simply want all your rights abridged in one form or another!

Let's do a fact check on that.

FACT CHECK: Are Four Times More People Stabbed to Death Than Killed with Rifles?

Unproven

Origin

On 16 October 2017, Breitbart.com posted a story reporting that according to 2016 crime statistics published by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, more people are murdered with knives or by beaten to death than with rifles:


According to FBI: UCR Table 12, there were approximately 374 people shot and killed with rifles of any kind. There were 1,604 people killed with “knives or cutting instruments.”

Table 12 also shows that more people were killed via the use of “hands, fists, feet, etc.,” than were killed by rifles of any kind. In fact, the tally shows that the death numbers were not even close. While approximately 374 people were shot and killed with rifles, roughly 656 people were beaten to death with “hands, fists, feet, etc.”
.....
When you go to the Table 12, you see that in order to get to the figures that Briebart claims you are going to have to add in Knive and cutting devices along with hands, feet, clubs, etc.. This is another Kleck moment.

Thanks for confirming knives kill more people!!!!

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Lemme guess, you Law Abiding Citizen is standing in a Walmart that just got evacuated due to him being in there with his open carry. It appears that the other "Citizen" might have a point.

Then again you seem to enjoy the fact that your Constitutional rights have been abridged and more people are killed with a knife each year than with avgun....So when are you radicals going to start the BAN THE KNIFE movement?....ABNORMALS simply want all your rights abridged in one form or another!

Let's do a fact check on that.

FACT CHECK: Are Four Times More People Stabbed to Death Than Killed with Rifles?

Unproven

Origin

On 16 October 2017, Breitbart.com posted a story reporting that according to 2016 crime statistics published by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, more people are murdered with knives or by beaten to death than with rifles:


According to FBI: UCR Table 12, there were approximately 374 people shot and killed with rifles of any kind. There were 1,604 people killed with “knives or cutting instruments.”

Table 12 also shows that more people were killed via the use of “hands, fists, feet, etc.,” than were killed by rifles of any kind. In fact, the tally shows that the death numbers were not even close. While approximately 374 people were shot and killed with rifles, roughly 656 people were beaten to death with “hands, fists, feet, etc.”
.....
When you go to the Table 12, you see that in order to get to the figures that Briebart claims you are going to have to add in Knive and cutting devices along with hands, feet, clubs, etc.. This is another Kleck moment.

Thanks for confirming knives kill more people!!!!

I confirmed that Knives by themselves kill fewer people. But when you add in knives, clubs, fists, etc. then you get a larger figure. And that is according to Table 12. You read only the part that agreed with what you were "told to" believe in. You didn't read the whole thing.

 

[The Purge]

According to FBI: UCR Table 12, there were approximately 374 people shot and killed with rifles of any kind. There were 1,604 people killed with “knives or cutting instruments

Settled science!!!!

 

[The Purge]

 

[Daryl Hunt]

According to FBI: UCR Table 12, there were approximately 374 people shot and killed with rifles of any kind. There were 1,604 people killed with “knives or cutting instruments

Settled science!!!!

Rifles alone. You left out handguns and shotguns and the biggy, Firearms Unknown for a total of 13,896.
But you did include all knives or cutting instruments including anything with a blade including garden shears, hoes, shovels, paper cutters, industrial metal shears, etc. for a total of 1604. You also left out the fact that the majority of the Murders in almost EVERY state was done by Firearms.

Now, find me a chart with just Knives on it versus Rifles and then we can compare. But I think you will find that when you remove box cutters and other bladed things , knife homicides will drastically shrink in numbers while the Rifle will stay consistent. Plus, there is a section in the table where it's difficult to tell if the murder was done by either a rifle or a handgun since the 9mm is used in both.

You just pulled another Kleck. Nice tradition you have going there.

 

[The Purge]

According to FBI: UCR Table 12, there were approximately 374 people shot and killed with rifles of any kind. There were 1,604 people killed with “knives or cutting instruments

Settled science!!!!

Rifles alone. You left out handguns and shotguns and the biggy, Firearms Unknown for a total of 13,896.
But you did include all knives or cutting instruments including anything with a blade including garden shears, hoes, shovels, paper cutters, industrial metal shears, etc. for a total of 1604. You also left out the fact that the majority of the Murders in almost EVERY state was done by Firearms.

Now, find me a chart with just Knives on it versus Rifles and then we can compare. But I think you will find that when you remove box cutters and other bladed things , knife homicides will drastically shrink in numbers while the Rifle will stay consistent. Plus, there is a section in the table where it's difficult to tell if the murder was done by either a rifle or a handgun since the 9mm is used in both.

You just pulled another Kleck. Nice tradition you have going there.

I am practicing how to be an ABNORMAL...STILL CAN'T BEAT "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"....Surrender Monkey has these moves down pat!

 

[Daryl Hunt]

According to FBI: UCR Table 12, there were approximately 374 people shot and killed with rifles of any kind. There were 1,604 people killed with “knives or cutting instruments

Settled science!!!!

Rifles alone. You left out handguns and shotguns and the biggy, Firearms Unknown for a total of 13,896.
But you did include all knives or cutting instruments including anything with a blade including garden shears, hoes, shovels, paper cutters, industrial metal shears, etc. for a total of 1604. You also left out the fact that the majority of the Murders in almost EVERY state was done by Firearms.

Now, find me a chart with just Knives on it versus Rifles and then we can compare. But I think you will find that when you remove box cutters and other bladed things , knife homicides will drastically shrink in numbers while the Rifle will stay consistent. Plus, there is a section in the table where it's difficult to tell if the murder was done by either a rifle or a handgun since the 9mm is used in both.

You just pulled another Kleck. Nice tradition you have going there.

I am practicing how to be an ABNORMAL...STILL CAN'T BEAT "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"....Surrender Monkey has these moves down pat!

And that was caused by the various HMOs and Insurance Companies where the Doctors were forced to do certain actions. Obamacare had nothing to do with it. If I had my way, the HMOs and Insurance Companies would be all fined into non existance and let the Hospitals and Doctors have the ultimate control like before the HMOs and Insurance Companies grabbed the lions share "For the Good of the Community".

Thank you for showing that you lost the argument and allowing me to address your strawman post so easily. Hows it feel to be purchased by the HMOs, Pharamas and Insurance Companies. I wouldn't know since I am not. But you should be able to tell us.

 

[The Purge]

According to FBI: UCR Table 12, there were approximately 374 people shot and killed with rifles of any kind. There were 1,604 people killed with “knives or cutting instruments

Settled science!!!!

Rifles alone. You left out handguns and shotguns and the biggy, Firearms Unknown for a total of 13,896.
But you did include all knives or cutting instruments including anything with a blade including garden shears, hoes, shovels, paper cutters, industrial metal shears, etc. for a total of 1604. You also left out the fact that the majority of the Murders in almost EVERY state was done by Firearms.

Now, find me a chart with just Knives on it versus Rifles and then we can compare. But I think you will find that when you remove box cutters and other bladed things , knife homicides will drastically shrink in numbers while the Rifle will stay consistent. Plus, there is a section in the table where it's difficult to tell if the murder was done by either a rifle or a handgun since the 9mm is used in both.

You just pulled another Kleck. Nice tradition you have going there.

I am practicing how to be an ABNORMAL...STILL CAN'T BEAT "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"....Surrender Monkey has these moves down pat!

And that was caused by the various HMOs and Insurance Companies where the Doctors were forced to do certain actions. Obamacare had nothing to do with it. If I had my way, the HMOs and Insurance Companies would be all fined into non existance and let the Hospitals and Doctors have the ultimate control like before the HMOs and Insurance Companies grabbed the lions share "For the Good of the Community".

Thank you for showing that you lost the argument and allowing me to address your strawman post so easily. Hows it feel to be purchased by the HMOs, Pharamas and Insurance Companies. I wouldn't know since I am not. But you should be able to tell us.

No idea I'm on medicare!....

 

[toobfreak]

Take away democrats and the problem is solved.

If the goal is to truly save lives, then:

• Abolish politicians with no term limits and no accountability who get rich in office (or thereafter)
• Kill all the lawyers
• Kill all the health insurance companies.

That alone will save you 70% of all the deaths in this country.

Then you can look at the FDA and about a dozen other politicized, useless government agencies, crooked, politically-controlled school boards who don't educate our children, big city planners, and a whole bunch of other things and after that, you will have saved another 25% of the people in this country. Having restored sanity to the country, people will be living better, prosperous, happier lives and the gun issue will take care of itself.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

According to FBI: UCR Table 12, there were approximately 374 people shot and killed with rifles of any kind. There were 1,604 people killed with “knives or cutting instruments

Settled science!!!!

Rifles alone. You left out handguns and shotguns and the biggy, Firearms Unknown for a total of 13,896.
But you did include all knives or cutting instruments including anything with a blade including garden shears, hoes, shovels, paper cutters, industrial metal shears, etc. for a total of 1604. You also left out the fact that the majority of the Murders in almost EVERY state was done by Firearms.

Now, find me a chart with just Knives on it versus Rifles and then we can compare. But I think you will find that when you remove box cutters and other bladed things , knife homicides will drastically shrink in numbers while the Rifle will stay consistent. Plus, there is a section in the table where it's difficult to tell if the murder was done by either a rifle or a handgun since the 9mm is used in both.

You just pulled another Kleck. Nice tradition you have going there.

I am practicing how to be an ABNORMAL...STILL CAN'T BEAT "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"....Surrender Monkey has these moves down pat!

And that was caused by the various HMOs and Insurance Companies where the Doctors were forced to do certain actions. Obamacare had nothing to do with it. If I had my way, the HMOs and Insurance Companies would be all fined into non existance and let the Hospitals and Doctors have the ultimate control like before the HMOs and Insurance Companies grabbed the lions share "For the Good of the Community".

Thank you for showing that you lost the argument and allowing me to address your strawman post so easily. Hows it feel to be purchased by the HMOs, Pharamas and Insurance Companies. I wouldn't know since I am not. But you should be able to tell us.

No idea I'm on medicare!....

Wyyy, that would make you a Socialist. A Friggin Communist

 

[The Purge]

According to FBI: UCR Table 12, there were approximately 374 people shot and killed with rifles of any kind. There were 1,604 people killed with “knives or cutting instruments

Settled science!!!!

Rifles alone. You left out handguns and shotguns and the biggy, Firearms Unknown for a total of 13,896.
But you did include all knives or cutting instruments including anything with a blade including garden shears, hoes, shovels, paper cutters, industrial metal shears, etc. for a total of 1604. You also left out the fact that the majority of the Murders in almost EVERY state was done by Firearms.

Now, find me a chart with just Knives on it versus Rifles and then we can compare. But I think you will find that when you remove box cutters and other bladed things , knife homicides will drastically shrink in numbers while the Rifle will stay consistent. Plus, there is a section in the table where it's difficult to tell if the murder was done by either a rifle or a handgun since the 9mm is used in both.

You just pulled another Kleck. Nice tradition you have going there.

I am practicing how to be an ABNORMAL...STILL CAN'T BEAT "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"....Surrender Monkey has these moves down pat!

And that was caused by the various HMOs and Insurance Companies where the Doctors were forced to do certain actions. Obamacare had nothing to do with it. If I had my way, the HMOs and Insurance Companies would be all fined into non existance and let the Hospitals and Doctors have the ultimate control like before the HMOs and Insurance Companies grabbed the lions share "For the Good of the Community".

Thank you for showing that you lost the argument and allowing me to address your strawman post so easily. Hows it feel to be purchased by the HMOs, Pharamas and Insurance Companies. I wouldn't know since I am not. But you should be able to tell us.

No idea I'm on medicare!....

Wyyy, that would make you a Socialist. A Friggin Communist

No Medicare was never free., You're confusing government programs and services with socialism

 

[sparky]

The flawed logic of blaming

~S~

 

[cnm]

No Medicare was never free., You're confusing government programs and services with socialism

The people own the government.

 

[Leo123]

What’s illogical is this thread’s premise – it fails as a false comparison fallacy.

The thread premise is also a lie: no one advocate for ‘banning’ guns.

They want to ban 'assault weapons' which are competely legal typical semi-auto rifles that look 'scary.'