Is banning guns to save lives even logical?

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    When mass shootings occur not just in the United States but worldwide calls to ban guns come to the fore as they tend to do when innocent people die in the carnage. The theory is that taking away the instrument of the killing will stop the cause of death and make society a safer place. This makes sense on a superficial level but the logic is flawed because it does not address the dynamics that lead shooters to kill indiscriminately often losing their own lives in the process. When these events take place there is tremendous pressure to “do something” to prevent them. The killings become politicized and the blame game rages on.

    In 2018 there were 323 mass shootings in the US with 1,661 being shot. 327 people died in those shootings so the logic of taking away guns suggests that lives could be saved. If the mission of taking away articles from the public is to save lives then that logic should be applied across the board to save lives.

    635,260 people died from heart disease in the US caused from the chronic use of tobacco and alcohol. So to save lives the logic of taking away the cause of death needs to be applied. Should we forget the lessons of Prohibition and ban the apparatus of death? 600,000 is a number that dwarfs 327 so obviously tobacco and alcohol are 1,800 times more dangerous than guns used in mass shootings.

    Should we start removing beer and cigarettes from store shelves and passing laws to arrest those who peddle them if they do not comply? Let’s not forget that another 600,000 died from cancer much of which can be traced to the use of booze and butts so the numbers are even more ominous. Are we trying to save lives or not?

    The flawed logic of blaming the current president for mass shootings pales in comparison to that same logic of blaming the previous president that smoked and shared a beer with police. Using this logic the president that sat in office for eight years set a fatal example that led to millions of preventable deaths while today’s president doesn’t even drink or smoke.

    Obviously calls for gun control are dangerously illogical so long as multitudes perish from self-administered poison some of which (alcohol) is widely advertised on television. Should we get our priorities in order?
     
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    Take away democrats and the problem is solved.
     
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    You forgot to mention the horrendous number of people who are injured and die in automobile accidents every year. Banning automobiles would not only eliminate them as a cause of carnage, it would be approved of by the "greenies", thereby saving the planet as well as many lives directly related to automobiles.
     
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    What’s illogical is this thread’s premise – it fails as a false comparison fallacy.

    The thread premise is also a lie: no one advocate for ‘banning’ guns.
     
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    Aren’t bombs banned, and yet there are still mass carnage from use by nut jobs.
     
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    And another rightist follows suit with his own ridiculous false comparison fallacy.

    Clearly lack of critical thinking skills is a prerequisite for being conservative.
     
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    I can think of a few things that might reduce the number of mass shootings. The shooters all seem to be young, white, males, using AR-15s. So here are a few ideas:
    1. You need to not only pass a background check, but be at least 25 or 30 to buy an AR
    2. If young men want to shoot, join the military
     
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    Derp derp derp derp thinking, derp derp derp fallacy, derp derp derp conservative, derp derp derp derp.
     
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    My thoughts and prayers are with you.
     
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    Banning social media might help but banning guns will not solve the problem.
     

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