Is a second american revolution now inevitable?

[S.J.]

 

[Boss]

What was said by Mao and how is Obama a Marxist? Explain.

Here are some quotes from Mao... see if these sound vaguely familiar:

The spontaneous forces of capitalism have been steadily growing in the countryside in recent years, with new rich peasants springing up everywhere and many well-to-do middle peasants striving to become rich peasants. On the other hand, many poor peasants are still living in poverty for lack of sufficient means of production, with some in debt and others selling or renting out their land. If this tendency goes unchecked, the polarization in the countryside will inevitably be aggravated day by day. Those peasants who lose their land and those who remain in poverty will complain that we are doing nothing to save them from ruin or to help them overcome their difficulties. Nor will the well-to-do middle peasants who are heading in the capitalist direction be pleased with us, for we shall never be able to satisfy their demands unless we intend to take the capitalist road. Can the worker-peasant alliance continue to stand him in these circumstances? Obviously not! There is no solution to this problem except on a new basis. And that means to bring about, step by step, the socialist transformation of the whole of agriculture simultaneously with the gradual realization of socialist industrialization and the socialist transformation of handicrafts and capitalist industry and commerce; in other words, it means to carry out co-operation and eliminate the rich-peasant economy and the individual economy in the countryside so that all the rural people will become increasingly well off together. We maintain that this is the only way to consolidate the worker-peasant alliance.

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The more the public sector of the economy grows, the more the burden carried by the people can be reduced. This is another way of building up the resources of the people. And the instrument which unites and reconciles the private and public sectors is the currency.

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In order to build a great socialist society it is of the utmost importance to arouse the broad masses of women to join in productive activity. Men and women must receive equal pay for equal work in production. Genuine equality between the sexes can only be realized in the process of the socialist transformation of society as a whole.

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Now, I suspect the time I spent digging up these few quotes from Mao was completely wasted because you have been brainwashed. Nothing I am ever going to say will ever penetrate your mind, you've already made it up. Nevertheless, any rational person can see the words of Mao as he sparked a Marxist revolution on behalf of "The People" in China, is almost verbatim with the rhetoric being spewed by Obama and the DNC. Class warfare, the evil capitalist rich, the greatness of the public sector vs. private, the appeals for social justice. It's all there, and it's what sparked the People's Revolution, sweeping Mao into power.

For 40 years, the people of China suffered crushing poverty and oppression. Over 70 million people were killed in the process. China plunged into economic darkness and isolated from the rest of the world. The Socialist Utopian idea not only failed but failed miserably. Why? Because the ideology simply does not work.

Free market, free enterprise capitalism, is responsible for creating more millionaires and billionaires than ANY system EVER devised by man. NOTHING else has been so successful at lifting people out of poverty, creating wealth and economic prosperity. NOTHING comes close!

 

[LoneLaugher]

SJ wants to loot the possessions of fellow Americans.

Avatar is resigned. We will have civil unrest. Oh my! Such concern!

Ibentoken sees the left as aggressors. ( is he reading this thread?)

Sooner wants to "sucede".

Great thread.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I don't know how anyone can see all this fighting and not realize that we are likely to see violence if we don't change.

Tell me is there anything healing the rift between us? Anything uniting us? Then how can we expect to avoid contention?

Where in the hell do you people live? I have plenty of friends on the right who disagree with me politically. We are never at each others throats. Usually it's a jab here or there but things never get heated enough to not be friends.

Exactly.

There isn’t going to be any ‘second American revolution,’ the notion is moronic nonsense.

Most on the right live in the echo chamber of ignorance, hate, and stupidity – completely cut off from reality, facts, and the truth. The posts by most on the right in this very thread is proof of that.

 

[Rotagilla]

Exactly.

There isn’t going to be any ‘second American revolution,’ the notion is moronic nonsense.

Most on the right live in the echo chamber of ignorance, hate, and stupidity – completely cut off from reality, facts, and the truth. The posts by most on the right in this very thread is proof of that.

Yes. america is eternal and will never fail. Everything is going so well, in fact.

Nice rant about the "right"..LMAO...

You left out "racists", "homophobes" and a favorite, "xenophobes"...tighten up!

 

[KNB]

What was said by Mao and how is Obama a Marxist? Explain.

Here are some quotes from Mao... see if these sound vaguely familiar:

The spontaneous forces of capitalism have been steadily growing in the countryside in recent years, with new rich peasants springing up everywhere and many well-to-do middle peasants striving to become rich peasants. On the other hand, many poor peasants are still living in poverty for lack of sufficient means of production, with some in debt and others selling or renting out their land. If this tendency goes unchecked, the polarization in the countryside will inevitably be aggravated day by day. Those peasants who lose their land and those who remain in poverty will complain that we are doing nothing to save them from ruin or to help them overcome their difficulties. Nor will the well-to-do middle peasants who are heading in the capitalist direction be pleased with us, for we shall never be able to satisfy their demands unless we intend to take the capitalist road. Can the worker-peasant alliance continue to stand him in these circumstances? Obviously not! There is no solution to this problem except on a new basis. And that means to bring about, step by step, the socialist transformation of the whole of agriculture simultaneously with the gradual realization of socialist industrialization and the socialist transformation of handicrafts and capitalist industry and commerce; in other words, it means to carry out co-operation and eliminate the rich-peasant economy and the individual economy in the countryside so that all the rural people will become increasingly well off together. We maintain that this is the only way to consolidate the worker-peasant alliance.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

The more the public sector of the economy grows, the more the burden carried by the people can be reduced. This is another way of building up the resources of the people. And the instrument which unites and reconciles the private and public sectors is the currency.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

In order to build a great socialist society it is of the utmost importance to arouse the broad masses of women to join in productive activity. Men and women must receive equal pay for equal work in production. Genuine equality between the sexes can only be realized in the process of the socialist transformation of society as a whole.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Now, I suspect the time I spent digging up these few quotes from Mao was completely wasted because you have been brainwashed. Nothing I am ever going to say will ever penetrate your mind, you've already made it up. Nevertheless, any rational person can see the words of Mao as he sparked a Marxist revolution on behalf of "The People" in China, is almost verbatim with the rhetoric being spewed by Obama and the DNC. Class warfare, the evil capitalist rich, the greatness of the public sector vs. private, the appeals for social justice. It's all there, and it's what sparked the People's Revolution, sweeping Mao into power.

For 40 years, the people of China suffered crushing poverty and oppression. Over 70 million people were killed in the process. China plunged into economic darkness and isolated from the rest of the world. The Socialist Utopian idea not only failed but failed miserably. Why? Because the ideology simply does not work.

Free market, free enterprise capitalism, is responsible for creating more millionaires and billionaires than ANY system EVER devised by man. NOTHING else has been so successful at lifting people out of poverty, creating wealth and economic prosperity. NOTHING comes close!

And yet wealthy private-sector Capitalists have made 95% of the financial gains since Obama has been in power, so obviously Obama is a Socialist Maoist Marxist Kenyan Muslim from the moon.

Do we have a free market? Our number one agricultural commodity is illegal at the behest of the GOP, against all science, common sense and personal freedom, forcing our "free market" to be dependent on unsustainable monopolized fossil fuels and enormous amounts of global pollution.

So in what way is Obama a Maoist? "Equal pay for women"? Like that shouldn't have happened 1800 years ago? "Obamacare"? Poor people have to pay money up to private insurance companies, and if they don't pay, they get fined. No Maoism or Marxism there, just Capitalism. If there was a single-payer system, then maybe you'd have an argument, but Republican Taliban Teabaggers decried single-payer as Socialism so it was struck down. The free market won, right? Rich people make more money now.

 

[zeke]

I don't know how anyone can see all this fighting and not realize that we are likely to see violence if we don't change.

Tell me is there anything healing the rift between us? Anything uniting us? Then how can we expect to avoid contention?

Where in the hell do you people live? I have plenty of friends on the right who disagree with me politically. We are never at each others throats. Usually it's a jab here or there but things never get heated enough to not be friends.

It's because we live in Ohio Dutch. I also have friends on the right (wrong) side of many issues. But we don't hate each other and want to fight over it.

Somehow people in Ohio are smart enough to figure out that in either 4 or 8 years the situation of our government will change again. But we the people will still be here. And there ain't no good reason to hate each other because of it.

I got lots of other reasons to hate besides having to attach my hate to a politician.

Well except for Dick Cheney. I do hate that man. Why won't he die?

 

[Redfish]

I don't know how anyone can see all this fighting and not realize that we are likely to see violence if we don't change.

Tell me is there anything healing the rift between us? Anything uniting us? Then how can we expect to avoid contention?

Where in the hell do you people live? I have plenty of friends on the right who disagree with me politically. We are never at each others throats. Usually it's a jab here or there but things never get heated enough to not be friends.

It's because we live in Ohio Dutch. I also have friends on the right (wrong) side of many issues. But we don't hate each other and want to fight over it.

Somehow people in Ohio are smart enough to figure out that in either 4 or 8 years the situation of our government will change again. But we the people will still be here. And there ain't no good reason to hate each other because of it.

I got lots of other reasons to hate besides having to attach my hate to a politician.

Well except for Dick Cheney. I do hate that man. Why won't he die?[/QUOTE]



the hypocrisy of liberalism in print on USMB

 

[Boss]

And yet wealthy private-sector Capitalists have made 95% of the financial gains since Obama has been in power, so obviously Obama is a Socialist Maoist Marxist Kenyan Muslim from the moon.

Who do you expect to gain financially most of the time, the impoverished? You honestly do not know who has made what since Obama has been in power, you're repeating rhetoric you've read elsewhere which is probably completely fabricated.

Since you didn't follow the history lesson I just presented you on Mao, let me explain to you what Mao's solution was for this 95% of the "greedy rich capitalist" making all the money problem... he lined them up in front of open ditches and executed them! Stole their wealth! Ya wanna know what happened after that? No one was left in China who knew a damn thing about making money in a capitalist system, so the economy tanked and poor people became poorer.

See, what you are doing is attacking the wrong end of the problem. You want to raise the poor up so they become the "greedy fat rich capitalist bastards" who are making all the money. You don't make it any easier for poor people to do that by making harder for rich people to do it.

Do we have a free market? Our number one agricultural commodity is illegal at the behest of the GOP, against all science, common sense and personal freedom, forcing our "free market" to be dependent on unsustainable monopolized fossil fuels and enormous amounts of global pollution.

Yes, and your ranting and railing on the GOP here is helping to change all of that, right?

So in what way is Obama a Maoist? "Equal pay for women"? Like that shouldn't have happened 1800 years ago?

Hey, newsflash, Einstein... We've had federal anti-discrimination laws in America for about 60 fucking years now! It is a federally actionable offense to pay women less than men for the same job in the United States. This is not a problem, nor has it been a problem in this country for decades. Yet phony statistics are ginned up to make it appear there is some "social injustice" that we need Obama and the Government to fix with their MARXIST policies, just as Mao used the SAME TACTIC in China.

"Obamacare"? Poor people have to pay money up to private insurance companies, and if they don't pay, they get fined. No Maoism or Marxism there, just Capitalism. If there was a single-payer system, then maybe you'd have an argument, but Republican Taliban Teabaggers decried single-payer as Socialism so it was struck down. The free market won, right? Rich people make more money now.

No no no no... Not a single Republican voted for Obamacare! You cannot blame the lack of single payer on Republicans if they didn't support ANY of this shit! It was lack of DEMOCRAT support for single payer that kept it from becoming reality. You got what DEMOCRATS passed into law, and NOW you want to try and blame it's dismal failures on the other side? Everyone on the right told you it wasn't going to fly, and it hasn't.

And BY THE FUCKING WAY... "Single Payer" means GOVERNMENT PAID... that IS Marxism, plain and simple.

 

[JoeNormal]

Did anyone notice the left never said a word when Obama sent more troops to Afghanistan. They have also never said a word about more soldiers killed under Obama than Bush. Naw, there's no media bias.

I guess you'd get that impression if you don't watch anything but Fox News. Once again, they've fed you dupes what they want you to hear.

 

[Contumacious]

There isn’t going to be any ‘second American revolution,’ the notion is moronic nonsense.

That is 1000% correct.

The majority of USMB posters are government supremacists. Some of the left persuasion some from the right, but all are government supremacists nevertheless.

.

 

[RandallFlagg]

And yet wealthy private-sector Capitalists have made 95% of the financial gains since Obama has been in power, so obviously Obama is a Socialist Maoist Marxist Kenyan Muslim from the moon.

Who do you expect to gain financially most of the time, the impoverished? You honestly do not know who has made what since Obama has been in power, you're repeating rhetoric you've read elsewhere which is probably completely fabricated.

Since you didn't follow the history lesson I just presented you on Mao, let me explain to you what Mao's solution was for this 95% of the "greedy rich capitalist" making all the money problem... he lined them up in front of open ditches and executed them! Stole their wealth! Ya wanna know what happened after that? No one was left in China who knew a damn thing about making money in a capitalist system, so the economy tanked and poor people became poorer.

See, what you are doing is attacking the wrong end of the problem. You want to raise the poor up so they become the "greedy fat rich capitalist bastards" who are making all the money. You don't make it any easier for poor people to do that by making harder for rich people to do it.

Do we have a free market? Our number one agricultural commodity is illegal at the behest of the GOP, against all science, common sense and personal freedom, forcing our "free market" to be dependent on unsustainable monopolized fossil fuels and enormous amounts of global pollution.

Yes, and your ranting and railing on the GOP here is helping to change all of that, right?

So in what way is Obama a Maoist? "Equal pay for women"? Like that shouldn't have happened 1800 years ago?

Hey, newsflash, Einstein... We've had federal anti-discrimination laws in America for about 60 fucking years now! It is a federally actionable offense to pay women less than men for the same job in the United States. This is not a problem, nor has it been a problem in this country for decades. Yet phony statistics are ginned up to make it appear there is some "social injustice" that we need Obama and the Government to fix with their MARXIST policies, just as Mao used the SAME TACTIC in China.

"Obamacare"? Poor people have to pay money up to private insurance companies, and if they don't pay, they get fined. No Maoism or Marxism there, just Capitalism. If there was a single-payer system, then maybe you'd have an argument, but Republican Taliban Teabaggers decried single-payer as Socialism so it was struck down. The free market won, right? Rich people make more money now.

No no no no... Not a single Republican voted for Obamacare! You cannot blame the lack of single payer on Republicans if they didn't support ANY of this shit! It was lack of DEMOCRAT support for single payer that kept it from becoming reality. You got what DEMOCRATS passed into law, and NOW you want to try and blame it's dismal failures on the other side? Everyone on the right told you it wasn't going to fly, and it hasn't.

And BY THE FUCKING WAY... "Single Payer" means GOVERNMENT PAID... that IS Marxism, plain and simple.

I like you. A lot.

 

[The T]

Where in the hell do you people live? I have plenty of friends on the right who disagree with me politically. We are never at each others throats. Usually it's a jab here or there but things never get heated enough to not be friends.

It's because we live in Ohio Dutch. I also have friends on the right (wrong) side of many issues. But we don't hate each other and want to fight over it.

Somehow people in Ohio are smart enough to figure out that in either 4 or 8 years the situation of our government will change again. But we the people will still be here. And there ain't no good reason to hate each other because of it.

I got lots of other reasons to hate besides having to attach my hate to a politician.

Well except for Dick Cheney. I do hate that man. Why won't he die?[/QUOTE]



the hypocrisy of liberalism in print on USMB

Good form. Talking out of their sphincters as usual.

 

[KNB]

And yet wealthy private-sector Capitalists have made 95% of the financial gains since Obama has been in power, so obviously Obama is a Socialist Maoist Marxist Kenyan Muslim from the moon.

Who do you expect to gain financially most of the time, the impoverished? You honestly do not know who has made what since Obama has been in power, you're repeating rhetoric you've read elsewhere which is probably completely fabricated.

Well, it was reported in the Wall Street Journal that 95% of financial gains went to the richest 1% since 2009. You know, the Wall Street Journal, the leftist Maoist government-controlled liberal media mouthpiece newspaper, owned and operated by Rupert Murdoch's Australian-based News Corporation, creators of FOX News?
Some 95% of 2009-2012 Income Gains Went to Wealthiest 1% - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Yeah, I guess I see your point. It probably is just bullshit.

Since you didn't follow the history lesson I just presented you on Mao, let me explain to you what Mao's solution was for this 95% of the "greedy rich capitalist" making all the money problem... he lined them up in front of open ditches and executed them! Stole their wealth! Ya wanna know what happened after that? No one was left in China who knew a damn thing about making money in a capitalist system, so the economy tanked and poor people became poorer.

See, what you are doing is attacking the wrong end of the problem. You want to raise the poor up so they become the "greedy fat rich capitalist bastards" who are making all the money. You don't make it any easier for poor people to do that by making harder for rich people to do it.

I never said anything about "taking from the rich to give to the poor". I am talking about rearranging the entire global marketplace. You insist that it won't work, just as you insist that Bush didn't lie to invade Iraq, but I have links to back up all of what I say. Read what I've read and then try to argue with me.

Vote Hemp: Why Hemp?: New Billion-Dollar Crop
Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®) - National Cancer Institute
The feasibility of converting Cannabis sat... [Bioresour Technol. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32725.pdf
http://evanmills.lbl.gov/pubs/pdf/cannabis-carbon-footprint.pdf
http://www.liq.wa.gov/publications/...and_Opportunities_in_Cannabis_Cultivation.pdf
http://pub.epsilon.slu.se/8415/1/prade_t_111102.pdf
UConn Biofuel Consortium
http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/59909/676695681.pdf?...1
https://lup.lub.lu.se/search/publication/1868648
http://lup.lub.lu.se/luur/download?func=downloadFile&recordOId=2856430&fileOId=2857088
Effect of harvest date on combustion related fuel properties of industrial hemp (Cannabis sativa L.) - Fuel - Tom 102, Numer Complete (2012) - Biblioteka Nauki - Yadda
https://www.uky.edu/Ag/AgEcon/pubs/res_other/hemp98.pdf
Hemp: A New Crop with New Uses for North America
http://www.nyu.edu/classes/keefer/EvergreenEnergy/kforbin.pdf
Industrial Hemp - Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada (AAFC)
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...sg=AFQjCNGePT2nLRH82rx6h817DYxZ6v-J3A&cad=rja
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...uIKoAg&usg=AFQjCNFqhjiy8F4VRqHnZ08t7CZFDqLgXQ
Feasibility of Industrial Hemp Production in the United States Pacific Northwest, SB681
http://www.votehemp.com/PDF/Hemp-Feasability-UofA.pdf
http://www.uky.edu/Ag/CCD/introsheets/hempproduction.pdf
http://terraforms.org/documents/SAHempFeasiblityReport2002.pdf
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...3z2N1Qm3-hfetuw&bvm=bv.60799247,d.cGU&cad=rja
https://ortus.rtu.lv/science/en/pub...of+Reinforcing+Birch+Plywood+with+Hemp+Fibres
http://gse.cat.org.uk/public_downloads/research/hemp/building_with_hemp_and_lime.pdf

Do we have a free market? Our number one agricultural commodity is illegal at the behest of the GOP, against all science, common sense and personal freedom, forcing our "free market" to be dependent on unsustainable monopolized fossil fuels and enormous amounts of global pollution.

Yes, and your ranting and railing on the GOP here is helping to change all of that, right?

Yes, this will change that:

As all of those links help explain.

So in what way is Obama a Maoist? "Equal pay for women"? Like that shouldn't have happened 1800 years ago?

Hey, newsflash, Einstein... We've had federal anti-discrimination laws in America for about 60 fucking years now! It is a federally actionable offense to pay women less than men for the same job in the United States. This is not a problem, nor has it been a problem in this country for decades. Yet phony statistics are ginned up to make it appear there is some "social injustice" that we need Obama and the Government to fix with their MARXIST policies, just as Mao used the SAME TACTIC in China.

We've been a Maoist country for 60 years? Which pinko President signed that Maoist law? Kennedy! A Dimocrap! Oh, it all makes so much sense now to Republicans!

"Obamacare"? Poor people have to pay money up to private insurance companies, and if they don't pay, they get fined. No Maoism or Marxism there, just Capitalism. If there was a single-payer system, then maybe you'd have an argument, but Republican Taliban Teabaggers decried single-payer as Socialism so it was struck down. The free market won, right? Rich people make more money now.

No no no no... Not a single Republican voted for Obamacare! You cannot blame the lack of single payer on Republicans if they didn't support ANY of this shit! It was lack of DEMOCRAT support for single payer that kept it from becoming reality. You got what DEMOCRATS passed into law, and NOW you want to try and blame it's dismal failures on the other side? Everyone on the right told you it wasn't going to fly, and it hasn't.

And BY THE FUCKING WAY... "Single Payer" means GOVERNMENT PAID... that IS Marxism, plain and simple.

Every single Republican voted against poor people getting health insurance when the private sector had previously denied them? Is that what you want to run on?

My health care is single-government-paid through the VA. Is all government-approved health care considered Maoist? I doubt that you'll believe me but the legalization of marijuana will lower the cost of health care in the US, directly and indirectly, saving the American working poor billions per year on medical bills. You have to read those links to find out how.

 

[Boss]

Well, it was reported in the Wall Street Journal that 95% of financial gains went to the richest 1% since 2009. You know, the Wall Street Journal, the leftist Maoist government-controlled liberal media mouthpiece newspaper, owned and operated by Rupert Murdoch's Australian-based News Corporation, creators of FOX News?
Some 95% of 2009-2012 Income Gains Went to Wealthiest 1% - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Yeah, I guess I see your point. It probably is just bullshit.

Yes, it IS bullshit. Who is going to likely make the most gain in income, a billionaire who can move millions around in various investments, or someone drawing a monthly welfare check? You act as if this is some kind of surprising statistic when it's not. Wealthy people are ALWAYS going to make more money than poor people, it's how they became wealthy, dumbass. All you're doing is fueling this idiotic jealousy and envy of people who have wealth. You're working yourself into a froth over people who have worked hard to become successful, and you somehow think that fucking them with confiscatory government policy is the solution to the problem. You can't make poor people rich by making rich people poor.

I never said anything about "taking from the rich to give to the poor". I am talking about rearranging the entire global marketplace. You insist that it won't work, just as you insist that Bush didn't lie to invade Iraq, but I have links to back up all of what I say. Read what I've read and then try to argue with me.

I don't need to read what you say, you're a Marxist propagandist MORON! You're not ever going to "rearrange the entire global marketplace" except in your liberal Utopian DREAMS!

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Brave-New-World-Aldous-Huxley/dp/0060850523"]Brave New World - Aldous Huxley[/ame]

Read THAT! It was written in 1932, and it chronicles the aspects of your Utopian vision. It explains why we do not want to live in a world where all is fair and everything is equal... AND how it's impossible for us to ever get there in the first place.

We've been a Maoist country for 60 years? Which pinko President signed that Maoist law? Kennedy! A Dimocrap! Oh, it all makes so much sense now to Republicans!

No one said we have been Maoists for 60 years. I said we've had anti-discrimination laws for 60 years. The so-called "social injustice" of women not earning the same as men was rectified. Still, we have hucksters like you perpetuating a myth that this is still a problem and we need Good Ol' Government to implement more freedom-stifling Marxism to fix it.

"Obamacare"? Poor people have to pay money up to private insurance companies, and if they don't pay, they get fined. No Maoism or Marxism there, just Capitalism. If there was a single-payer system, then maybe you'd have an argument, but Republican Taliban Teabaggers decried single-payer as Socialism so it was struck down. The free market won, right? Rich people make more money now.

No no no no... Not a single Republican voted for Obamacare! You cannot blame the lack of single payer on Republicans if they didn't support ANY of this shit! It was lack of DEMOCRAT support for single payer that kept it from becoming reality. You got what DEMOCRATS passed into law, and NOW you want to try and blame it's dismal failures on the other side? Everyone on the right told you it wasn't going to fly, and it hasn't.

And BY THE FUCKING WAY... "Single Payer" means GOVERNMENT PAID... that IS Marxism, plain and simple.

Every single Republican voted against poor people getting health insurance when the private sector had previously denied them? Is that what you want to run on?

Poor people already have a government health care program, it's called MEDICAID! Obamacare has not HELPED a goddamn soul in this country, other than the insurance companies who will inevitably be destroyed in order to bring about state-controlled health care.

My health care is single-government-paid through the VA. Is all government-approved health care considered Maoist? I doubt that you'll believe me but the legalization of marijuana will lower the cost of health care in the US, directly and indirectly, saving the American working poor billions per year on medical bills. You have to read those links to find out how.

No. VA benefits are something we afford the men and women who made great sacrifice to serve their country. It is NOT Maoist in any sense of the word. It is a reward for something you contributed. In a Maoist system, serving your country is expected and there is no "reward" for that, you are only entitled to the 'equality' that everyone else gets.

I've already told you, I am on your side when it comes to legalizing pot. If your state or county wants to legalize weed, more power to them! Go out there and garner local support and put it on your ballot! I will not protest that, I stand for your right of self-determination. But in a Maoist society, you can forget stuff like that. Not everyone can afford to buy weed, so to maintain "equality" it would have to be illegal for anyone to own weed. You want a world where all is fair and equal, and that means everything descends to the lowest common denominator. In terms of wages, in terms of property, in terms of freedom, in terms of education, in terms of everything.

 

[zeke]

Where in the hell do you people live? I have plenty of friends on the right who disagree with me politically. We are never at each others throats. Usually it's a jab here or there but things never get heated enough to not be friends.

It's because we live in Ohio Dutch. I also have friends on the right (wrong) side of many issues. But we don't hate each other and want to fight over it.

Somehow people in Ohio are smart enough to figure out that in either 4 or 8 years the situation of our government will change again. But we the people will still be here. And there ain't no good reason to hate each other because of it.

I got lots of other reasons to hate besides having to attach my hate to a politician.

Well except for Dick Cheney. I do hate that man. Why won't he die?[/QUOTE]



the hypocrisy of liberalism in print on USMB

Red, the fact you think I am a "liberal" once again and forever after proves how fucking stupid you really are. I am an equal opportunity hater. Always have been. Some call us "Independent". Works for me.

See red, given the choice between two groups that are both looking out for only themselves, I tend to support the group that proposes to harm me and mine the least.
And that group is not the Republican party. So sorry.

 

[Kosh]

It's because we live in Ohio Dutch. I also have friends on the right (wrong) side of many issues. But we don't hate each other and want to fight over it.

Somehow people in Ohio are smart enough to figure out that in either 4 or 8 years the situation of our government will change again. But we the people will still be here. And there ain't no good reason to hate each other because of it.

I got lots of other reasons to hate besides having to attach my hate to a politician.

Well except for Dick Cheney. I do hate that man. Why won't he die?[/QUOTE]



the hypocrisy of liberalism in print on USMB

Red, the fact you think I am a "liberal" once again and forever after proves how fucking stupid you really are. I am an equal opportunity hater. Always have been. Some call us "Independent". Works for me.

See red, given the choice between two groups that are both looking out for only themselves, I tend to support the group that proposes to harm me and mine the least.
And that group is not the Republican party. So sorry.

I call BS to this one..

 

[The2ndAmendment]

I tend to support the group that proposes to harm me and mine the least.
And that group is not the Republican party. So sorry.

The Progressives and Democrats want to DISARM YOU.

Here's a picture of disarmed citizens:

 

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No revolution (spiritual or otherwise) will or is taking place in America. Most realize we have it too good. The vocal minority will continue to get more vocal but when push comes to shove, they'll be left alone to "fight" by those more level-headed than themselves. And when they realize they are all alone...they will go back to their keyboards and try to stir up more hate.

Tale as old as time....
Tune as old as song...

That's what the greeks said.
That's what the romans said.
That's what the french said.
That's what the russians said.
That's what the british said.
etc...etc...etc...

History is littered with the wreckage of governments that said "no revolution will or is taking place."

Of course it is...

And in Greece, you have a government that is absolutely what the people want, right?
And in Rome, you had a government that is absolutely what the people want, right?
And in France, you have a government that is absolutely what the people want, right?
And in Russia, you have a government that is absolutely what the people want, right?
And in Britain, you have a government that is absolutely what the people want, right?

The point is that the "revolution" usually yields clowns with different make-up on but whom are still clowns.

If you gave these gun idiots everything they wanted today, tomorrow they'd want something different when they realize they had bad ideas at root. Hence the current government where nearly everybody is a bit at odds with the powers that be is likely the best a civilized society can hope for.

I'm pretty sure what the gun idiots really want is no government and they can be the rulers of their own little 4 room houses with their pistols by their side. Basically it comes down to a society that has lost respect for those who wish to force everything at gunpoint (at worst) or simple masculine intimidation (at best). Due to this loss of respect, the dwindling power that was once enjoyed is now gone and you see this constant yammering about "revolution"--in short the 10 year old "I'm taking my ball and going home" defense mechanism.

Someone should tell them that the ball isn't theirs to take.

When you base your ego on 200+ y/o ideology and try to live in an advanced society, your ego is going to get slapped around.

Straw man after straw man all based around idiotic and false accusations. A 200 year old ideology? Your real disdain for this nation shows through as you belittle the core of what has made this nation so damn grate. That never included ‘you didn’t build that’ bullshit that you and your ilk push consistently. ‘Not your ball’ indeed. In fact it IS our ball.

You base your ideology on a far older and more asinine ideology – that of an ever increasing government with absolute power and a people that have no real rights. The idea that the government bestows rights and can take them away at will. That people are not free but rather subjects to the ‘collective.’ That ideology is far older and failed more times that one can count yet you hold on to that dearly and demand that we all give into it.


Screw you and your ideology.

 

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It's because we live in Ohio Dutch. I also have friends on the right (wrong) side of many issues. But we don't hate each other and want to fight over it.

Somehow people in Ohio are smart enough to figure out that in either 4 or 8 years the situation of our government will change again. But we the people will still be here. And there ain't no good reason to hate each other because of it.

I got lots of other reasons to hate besides having to attach my hate to a politician.

Well except for Dick Cheney. I do hate that man. Why won't he die?

the hypocrisy of liberalism in print on USMB

Red, the fact you think I am a "liberal" once again and forever after proves how fucking stupid you really are. I am an equal opportunity hater. Always have been. Some call us "Independent". Works for me.

See red, given the choice between two groups that are both looking out for only themselves, I tend to support the group that proposes to harm me and mine the least.
And that group is not the Republican party. So sorry.

What does it matter if you hate both sides? You still hate despite just saying you don't see any reason to hate.

If you don't think you should hate. Stop hating. Find a way to love your political enemies. You don't have to agree with them. but love them as a human being. Start with Cheney