Iran vs Israel: What The Media Wants You To Forget

[Octoldit]

The corporate media have been given their orders to throw the focus back on to Iran.

Here is a recap of what they are trying to make you forget.

1. Last Spring, Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington's chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel refused.

2. The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

3. The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

4. Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed.

5. Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities.

6. Contrary to face-saving claims, it appears that the US and Israel were both caught off guard by Iran's announcement. The reasoning is simple. Had the US or Israel announced the existence of he new facility before Iran's notified the IAEA, it would have put Iran on the defensive. As it is now, the US and Israel seem to be playing catch up, casting doubt on the veracity of Israel's claims to "know" that Iran is a nuclear threat.

7. The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons.

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Iran vs Israel: What The Media Wants You To Forget | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED

 

[Baruch Menachem]

You are as brilliant and insightful in the realm of mid east politics as you are in the realm of physics and energy policy.

It is good to be consistant. Just like Rdean, Truthmatters, Mr Shameful and Cheesewars. It is good to know we can count on you.

 

[Marc39]

The corporate media have been given their orders to throw the focus back on to Iran.

Here is a recap of what they are trying to make you forget.

1. Last Spring, Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington's chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel refused.

2. The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

3. The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

4. Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed.

5. Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities.

6. Contrary to face-saving claims, it appears that the US and Israel were both caught off guard by Iran's announcement. The reasoning is simple. Had the US or Israel announced the existence of he new facility before Iran's notified the IAEA, it would have put Iran on the defensive. As it is now, the US and Israel seem to be playing catch up, casting doubt on the veracity of Israel's claims to "know" that Iran is a nuclear threat.

7. The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons.

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Iran vs Israel: What The Media Wants You To Forget | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED

Why do you try to pass off a junk bogus internet website as legitimate? Are you mentally ill?

 

[Octoldit]

You are as brilliant and insightful in the realm of mid east politics as you are in the realm of physics and energy policy.

It is good to be consistant. Just like Rdean, Truthmatters, Mr Shameful and Cheesewars. It is good to know we can count on you.

Communication has nothing in common with incoherance.

If you don't have a point to make aimless rhetoric only cast a shadow of instability upon ones self.

 

[Octoldit]

You are as brilliant and insightful in the realm of mid east politics as you are in the realm of physics and energy policy.

It is good to be consistant. Just like Rdean, Truthmatters, Mr Shameful and Cheesewars. It is good to know we can count on you.

Communication has nothing in common with incoherance.

If you don't have a point to make aimless rhetoric only cast a shadow of instability upon ones self.

You want to try and respond?

 

[Jos]

8. In 1986, Mordachai Vanunu blew the whistle and provided photographs showing Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons factory underneath the reactor at Dimona.

9. Israel made the same accusations against Iraq that it is making against Iran, leading up to Israel's bombing of the power station at Osirik. Following the invasion of 2003, international experts examined the ruins of the power station at Osirik and found no evidence of a clandestine weapons factory in the rubble. Preemption: Back to Osirak - by Jude Wanniski

10. The United Nations has just released the Goldstone Report, a scathing report which accuses Israel of 37 specific war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza earlier this year. Israel has denounced the report as "Anti-Semitic (even though Judge Goldstone is himself Jewish), and the United States will block the report from being referred to the War Crimes Tribunal at the Hague, thereby making the US Government an accessory after-the-fact.

11. Recently revealed documents prove not only that Israel has nuclear weapons, but actually tried to sell some to Apartheid South Africa. Who else Israel approached to sell nuclear weapons remains an unasked question. Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons | World news | The Guardian

12. In 1965, Israel stole over 200-600 pounds of weapons-grade uranium from the United States. Declassified GAO Report Exposes Fatally Flawed Israel Investigations by Grant Smith -- Antiwar.com

13. Declassified documents from the former South African regime prove not only that Israel has had nuclear weapons for decades, but has tried to sell them to other countries! Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons | World news | The Guardian

 

[Ropey]

You are as brilliant and insightful in the realm of mid east politics as you are in the realm of physics and energy policy.

It is good to be consistant. Just like Rdean, Truthmatters, Mr Shameful and Cheesewars. It is good to know we can count on you.

Indeed.!

 

[Octoldit]

The corporate media have been given their orders to throw the focus back on to Iran.

Here is a recap of what they are trying to make you forget.

1. Last Spring, Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington's chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel refused.

2. The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

3. The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

4. Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed.

5. Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities.

6. Contrary to face-saving claims, it appears that the US and Israel were both caught off guard by Iran's announcement. The reasoning is simple. Had the US or Israel announced the existence of he new facility before Iran's notified the IAEA, it would have put Iran on the defensive. As it is now, the US and Israel seem to be playing catch up, casting doubt on the veracity of Israel's claims to "know" that Iran is a nuclear threat.

7. The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons.

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Iran vs Israel: What The Media Wants You To Forget | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED

Why do you try to pass off a junk bogus internet website as legitimate? Are you mentally ill?

Do you have the ability to read.....retain what is read.....and are capable of sound reasoning?

Are are you another dine a dozen Zionist peon?

 

[Ropey]

The corporate media have been given their orders to throw the focus back on to Iran.

Here is a recap of what they are trying to make you forget.

1. Last Spring, Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington's chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel refused.

2. The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

3. The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

4. Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed.

5. Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities.

6. Contrary to face-saving claims, it appears that the US and Israel were both caught off guard by Iran's announcement. The reasoning is simple. Had the US or Israel announced the existence of he new facility before Iran's notified the IAEA, it would have put Iran on the defensive. As it is now, the US and Israel seem to be playing catch up, casting doubt on the veracity of Israel's claims to "know" that Iran is a nuclear threat.

7. The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons.

Edited

Iran vs Israel: What The Media Wants You To Forget | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED

Why do you try to pass off a junk bogus internet website as legitimate? Are you mentally ill?

Do you have the ability to read.....retain what is read.....and are capable of sound reasoning?

Are are you another dine a dozen Zionist peon?

dine a dozen?

No wonder you are not liked very well.

 

[Octoldit]

Why do you try to pass off a junk bogus internet website as legitimate? Are you mentally ill?

Do you have the ability to read.....retain what is read.....and are capable of sound reasoning?

Are are you another dine a dozen Zionist peon?

dine a dozen?

No wonder you are not liked very well.

It's weaklings that worry about being liked...guess you wouldn't understand.

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

The corporate media have been given their orders to throw the focus back on to Iran.

Here is a recap of what they are trying to make you forget.

1. Last Spring, Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington's chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel refused.

2. The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

3. The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

4. Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed.

5. Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities.

6. Contrary to face-saving claims, it appears that the US and Israel were both caught off guard by Iran's announcement. The reasoning is simple. Had the US or Israel announced the existence of he new facility before Iran's notified the IAEA, it would have put Iran on the defensive. As it is now, the US and Israel seem to be playing catch up, casting doubt on the veracity of Israel's claims to "know" that Iran is a nuclear threat.

7. The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons.

Edited

Iran vs Israel: What The Media Wants You To Forget | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED

 

[R.C. Christian]

You people amaze me, and this is not simply about this particular thread but disucssions about Iran in general. We have effectively encircled Iran on all sides. We launched Stuxnet, a briliant cyber attack, and the Israeli's keep wasting iranian nuclear scientists at their leisure but despite all this progress, the general consensus is to still to "nuke Iran" or "invade Iran". This is irrational thinking. Iran will be dealt with in time in a variety of ways. Unfortunately, what you people fail to understand is that your REAL enemy isn't so much Iran, nor is it Israel, rather it IS China. So meanwhile, while your myopic peoccupation with muslims and Israel prevails, the commies in the pariah state of China while laughing at you, steal your tech, take your jobs, and generally sodomize you in every concievable way possible. Oh, and did I mention that with the anti-ship missile tech they've created effectively negates our 22 carrier groups? You can take that up with RAND corporation if you don't believe me.

Bottom line is that Iran, as complicated an issue as it may be, is still small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. It is simply a stepping stone in much bigger foreign policy picture that ultimately ends with China. Better dead than red.

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

You people amaze me, and this is not simply about this particular thread but disucssions about Iran in general. We have effectively encircled Iran on all sides. We launched Stuxnet, a briliant cyber attack, and the Israeli's keep wasting iranian nuclear scientists at their leisure but despite all this progress, the general consensus is to still to "nuke Iran" or "invade Iran". This is irrational thinking. Iran will be dealt with in time in a variety of ways. Unfortunately, what you people fail to understand is that your REAL enemy isn't so much Iran, nor is it Israel, rather it IS China. So meanwhile, while your myopic peoccupation with muslims and Israel prevails, the commies in the pariah state of China while laughing at you, steal your tech, take your jobs, and generally sodomize you in every concievable way possible. Oh, and did I mention that with the anti-ship missile tech they've created effectively negates our 22 carrier groups? You can take that up with RAND corporation if you don't believe me.

Bottom line is that Iran, as complicated an issue as it may be, is still small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. It is simply a stepping stone in much bigger foreign policy picture that ultimately ends with China. Better dead than red.

THANK YOU!

I been tryna tell people this in the Asia forum, but they remain blind......

We will deal with Iran 1st, ourselves or thru Israel, as they're obviously easier to deal with.

That new missle news concerned and pissed me off @ 1st too. But it's cool, cmon dude its US, we've never met a foreign weapons system we can't beat. Our DB still dwarfs their's, and that missle is also YEARS from full operational capacity. SO EVEN THO we're stuck with the Obama admin. I'm confident that we'll neutralize that threat, and whatever else they many have SHOULD actual war with China ever arise.

Also, the ONLY thing that's really still Communist in China is their POLITICAL SYSTEM. Their economy is relatively free, could be even freer than ours........in our current state. Their leadership is still a joke to me in that after all these years they STILL can't/won't admit they're wrong. Multi billion international conglomerates like Wal-Mart don't exist in REAL commie nations after all. So yea, jokes, all of em.

At this point, China still knows its place, they won't fuck with us, no matter how much $ we may owe them.

But it's good to see another informed, enlightened soul.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

The thing about Iran is they depend on Windows or Unix. Much of which is written in Israel.. Iran's systems all have to run on Windows machines, and they have easily traceable DNS addresses.

Israel can find any Iranian computer and compromise it at will.

Iran can't even compromise an Israeli abacus.

When it comes to warfare, Suxtnet is the wave of the future. The folks that could do that could send Iran back to the stone age without missiles, bombs, or anything more lethal than a USB drive.

We can do the same thing to the russians and chinese as well. And it looks like the Russians are already trying it on. And getting good at it. But I think we are just a little better.

 

[R.C. Christian]

You people amaze me, and this is not simply about this particular thread but disucssions about Iran in general. We have effectively encircled Iran on all sides. We launched Stuxnet, a briliant cyber attack, and the Israeli's keep wasting iranian nuclear scientists at their leisure but despite all this progress, the general consensus is to still to "nuke Iran" or "invade Iran". This is irrational thinking. Iran will be dealt with in time in a variety of ways. Unfortunately, what you people fail to understand is that your REAL enemy isn't so much Iran, nor is it Israel, rather it IS China. So meanwhile, while your myopic peoccupation with muslims and Israel prevails, the commies in the pariah state of China while laughing at you, steal your tech, take your jobs, and generally sodomize you in every concievable way possible. Oh, and did I mention that with the anti-ship missile tech they've created effectively negates our 22 carrier groups? You can take that up with RAND corporation if you don't believe me.

Bottom line is that Iran, as complicated an issue as it may be, is still small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. It is simply a stepping stone in much bigger foreign policy picture that ultimately ends with China. Better dead than red.

THANK YOU!

I been tryna tell people this in the Asia forum, but they remain blind......

We will deal with Iran 1st, ourselves or thru Israel, as they're obviously easier to deal with.

That new missle news concerned and pissed me off @ 1st too. But it's cool, cmon dude its US, we've never met a foreign weapons system we can't beat. Our DB still dwarfs their's, and that missle is also YEARS from full operational capacity. SO EVEN THO we're stuck with the Obama admin. I'm confident that we'll neutralize that threat, and whatever else they many have SHOULD actual war with China ever arise.

Also, the ONLY thing that's really still Communist in China is their POLITICAL SYSTEM. Their economy is relatively free, could be even freer than ours........in our current state. Their leadership is still a joke to me in that after all these years they STILL can't/won't admit they're wrong. Multi billion international conglomerates like Wal-Mart don't exist in REAL commie nations after all. So yea, jokes, all of em.

At this point, China still knows its place, they won't fuck with us, no matter how much $ we may owe them.

But it's good to see another informed, enlightened soul.

Yeah, tell me about it. There are quite a few Wal-Marts in China. You should see the messed up stuff those freaks put on a Wal-Mart shelf. They'd put human fetii on the menu if their government allowed it. It's an authoritarian regime, and a disgusting pariah state and yet we bend over and ask for more. There isn't a country on this planet that I despise more, not even Iran.

We haven't deployed any decent energy based weapons capable of thwarting their anti-ship missile tech. Most importantly, those silent diesel subs they're deploying caught us a bit unawares because since the cold war ended, our sub detection expertise has slipped a bit. Needs work.

 

[Ropey]

You people amaze me, and this is not simply about this particular thread but disucssions about Iran in general. We have effectively encircled Iran on all sides. We launched Stuxnet, a briliant cyber attack, and the Israeli's keep wasting iranian nuclear scientists at their leisure but despite all this progress, the general consensus is to still to "nuke Iran" or "invade Iran". This is irrational thinking. Iran will be dealt with in time in a variety of ways. Unfortunately, what you people fail to understand is that your REAL enemy isn't so much Iran, nor is it Israel, rather it IS China. So meanwhile, while your myopic peoccupation with muslims and Israel prevails, the commies in the pariah state of China while laughing at you, steal your tech, take your jobs, and generally sodomize you in every concievable way possible. Oh, and did I mention that with the anti-ship missile tech they've created effectively negates our 22 carrier groups? You can take that up with RAND corporation if you don't believe me.

Bottom line is that Iran, as complicated an issue as it may be, is still small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. It is simply a stepping stone in much bigger foreign policy picture that ultimately ends with China. Better dead than red.

The Middle East is a massive layer indeed, and those who think Israel is the tail wagging the dog that is America should know that Israel would never attack Iran whilst America has around three hundred and seventy thousand forces and support personnel in the Arena. There is no wagging there. That's simply a must on both sides of any divide if there were any. The bond is the American Hegemony and the control of the middle east. Israel is a preemptive defense and this policy was decided in Seventy Three. When America took Russia to Def con 3 worldwide and Def con 2 in the Middle East in response to incoming Soviet ships of arms headed for Syria, Lebanon and Egypt. Russia declined and the Hegemony was born.

There is nothing happening on any front that I can see except proxy and nation weapons buildup. Hezbollah tested new guided missiles two weeks ago. So clearly at least Syria, and Lebanon have these missiles. So continued bulking of the proxies.

The rich Arabians states are fearful, thus are rapidly purchasing arms, as if that will help with the kinds of weapons that are being readied from both sides. Well, it helps them psychologically, and it helps their patron America. I have heard of meetings with Pakistan and the House of Saud, military meetings of those who are in control of the Pakistani nuclear missile systems. Keep that in mind for future searches as such meetings mean that the political avenues are finalized. Whorls within whorls.

It's a complicated place indeed. Ever since the beginning of the American Hegemony Israel has been indebted to America. They give Israel money, but Israel is wagging them? They veto the fifty five Muslim countries and their supporters who attempt to delegitimize Israel at so many fronts. But, boy, are the Jews ever powerful.

Nuh uh. It's so much more than Israel or Jews. If anything, to America, Israel can be considered at best, a healthy partner, with shared values and with a lot more than a few middle eastern weapons that can run to second strike.

Peace needs willing partners. No one is willing, and they all have their reasons.

I would love to get into a discussion about China, but this is not the forum. I think I'll go in there and look around soon.

This entire proposal is really middle eastern wide. Russia left rather than fight over the Hegemony and China has moon eyes on Africa. Oops, back there.

I agree that I make use of a myopic historical eye in the middle east. But my mind is in the global perspective. I'm just more concerned with the middle eastern arena. I mean it's not as though we can affect anything RC and we need to specialize in something, so I'm here, on this thread on the Middle East.

You are as well.

See you in the China thread perhaps.

I personally see no world war coming. Nothing close. We're too intertwined. The world economy is too connected. More chances of a pandemic than a world war.

Barring unforeseen factors.

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

R.C. Christian wrote:

Yeah, tell me about it. There are quite a few Wal-Marts in China. You should see the messed up stuff those freaks put on a Wal-Mart shelf. They'd put human fetii on the menu if their government allowed it. It's an authoritarian regime, and a disgusting pariah state and yet we bend over and ask for more. There isn't a country on this planet that I despise more, not even Iran.

China is up there on my FU list too. I feel you man, I do. If I were Prez, and they EVER so much as threatened our troops ANYWHERE, My response would be "NOT 1 CENT, NOT 1." We would then very likely get a chance to test our merit against theirs as I'm willing to bet that they would try flying bombers or missles across the Pacific if we hit em like that where they would hurt most, their pockets. THEN you'll see the Capitalist in em come roaring out, shit.

We haven't deployed any decent energy based weapons capable of thwarting their anti-ship missile tech. Most importantly, those silent diesel subs they're deploying caught us a bit unawares because since the cold war ended, our sub detection expertise has slipped a bit. Needs work.

Well man you just as ignorant as I am in that as informed as we are (damn are we ever) we NEVER REALLY KNOW what our government has hidden up its sleeve. Like I said, our DB still dwarfs their's and will likely continue for a while, that counts for alot. I have been calling for the militarization of space since forever now, and more laser based tech too. I've heard nothing bout their subs, that they're any real threat anyway. I know our Navy can still easily handle theirs.....for now.

You're right. China may be growing in strength and threat level, but we can still beat em. Their subs and anti-ship missles STILL can't stop our B52's, F22's, etc. They know this too.

 

[Ropey]

China can't build a decent engine to save it's life. It subsists on Russian engines mostly and Russia has tightened this latch a few times.

Hence the reason for the "reset".



Here I am posting about China.

Well, this thread, it's so much better than, "I know you are but what am I".

 

[R.C. Christian]

Yes, it sure beats the neverending drone about the ME.

Their missile and sub tech are definitely courtesy of Russia to a great degree although you have to give them credit for some ingenuity.

And to Righteous1 specifically, If China were to hit Taiwan now, the think tanks are in agreement that we would lose. We'd lose because the cost of a limited war, and the loss of Taiwan is far less than a nuclear escalation or even a protracted conventional confrontation by both sides. There is a very narrow time frame for the U.S. to readjust it's arsenal to counter their new tech. Somebody needs to step up and in a hurry.

 

[R.C. Christian]

You people amaze me, and this is not simply about this particular thread but disucssions about Iran in general. We have effectively encircled Iran on all sides. We launched Stuxnet, a briliant cyber attack, and the Israeli's keep wasting iranian nuclear scientists at their leisure but despite all this progress, the general consensus is to still to "nuke Iran" or "invade Iran". This is irrational thinking. Iran will be dealt with in time in a variety of ways. Unfortunately, what you people fail to understand is that your REAL enemy isn't so much Iran, nor is it Israel, rather it IS China. So meanwhile, while your myopic peoccupation with muslims and Israel prevails, the commies in the pariah state of China while laughing at you, steal your tech, take your jobs, and generally sodomize you in every concievable way possible. Oh, and did I mention that with the anti-ship missile tech they've created effectively negates our 22 carrier groups? You can take that up with RAND corporation if you don't believe me.

Bottom line is that Iran, as complicated an issue as it may be, is still small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. It is simply a stepping stone in much bigger foreign policy picture that ultimately ends with China. Better dead than red.

The Middle East is a massive layer indeed, and those who think Israel is the tail wagging the dog that is America should know that Israel would never attack Iran whilst America has around three hundred and seventy thousand forces and support personnel in the Arena. There is no wagging there. That's simply a must on both sides of any divide if there were any. The bond is the American Hegemony and the control of the middle east. Israel is a preemptive defense and this policy was decided in Seventy Three. When America took Russia to Def con 3 worldwide and Def con 2 in the Middle East in response to incoming Soviet ships of arms headed for Syria, Lebanon and Egypt. Russia declined and the Hegemony was born.

There is nothing happening on any front that I can see except proxy and nation weapons buildup. Hezbollah tested new guided missiles two weeks ago. So clearly at least Syria, and Lebanon have these missiles. So continued bulking of the proxies.

The rich Arabians states are fearful, thus are rapidly purchasing arms, as if that will help with the kinds of weapons that are being readied from both sides. Well, it helps them psychologically, and it helps their patron America. I have heard of meetings with Pakistan and the House of Saud, military meetings of those who are in control of the Pakistani nuclear missile systems. Keep that in mind for future searches as such meetings mean that the political avenues are finalized. Whorls within whorls.

It's a complicated place indeed. Ever since the beginning of the American Hegemony Israel has been indebted to America. They give Israel money, but Israel is wagging them? They veto the fifty five Muslim countries and their supporters who attempt to legitimize Israel at so many fronts. But, boy, are the Jews ever powerful.

Nuh uh. It's so much more than Israel or Jews. If anything, to America, Israel can be considered at best, a healthy partner, with shared values and with a lot more than a few middle eastern weapons that can run to second strike.

Peace needs willing partners. No one is willing, and they all have their reasons.

I would love to get into a discussion about China, but this is not the forum. I think I'll go in there and look around soon.

This entire proposal is really middle eastern wide. Russia left rather than fight over the Hegemony and China has moon eyes on Africa. Oops, back there.

I agree that I make use of a myopic historical eye in the middle east. But my mind is in the global perspective. I'm just more concerned with the middle eastern arena. I mean it's not as though we can affect anything RC and we need to specialize in something, so I'm here, on this thread on the Middle East.

You are as well.

See you in the China thread perhaps.

I personally see no world war coming. Nothing close. We're too intertwined. The world economy is too connected. More chances of a pandemic than a world war.

Barring unforeseen factors.

I don't see a world war coming either, although from a purely mathematical standpoint we're overdue. In any event, it's the same game just different rules, and the new cold war is just as hot as the last cold war and getting hotter.