Iran Negotiations: Can the West waste more time?

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    These have been going on for what, 10 years? The last few times the 2 sides have sat down, the only thing accomplished has been to establish is to pick the next luxurious destination for free meals and hotel accommodations for the useless diplomats.

    Is there an end game in sight here, or are we going to spend the next 10 years doing the same while iran builds a stockpile of nuclear weapons?
     
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    Iran has every right to build nuclear weapons to protect itself from nations that have them .. specifically the US and Israel.

    The notion that the only nation in history to have actually used nuclear weapons on civilian populations .. TWICE .. should have the right to determine who else gets them is mindless.

    Absolutely mindless.
     
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    Dear BAC if you don't like what we do then move. We did not start WWII but the bomb did end it years eariler than otherwise would have happened. Iran wants to use the bomb on Israel and yet Israel has never attached Iran. These people are crazy and have no interest in negoitating anything. I agree that they like to go to the fancy hotels and buy some more time. You can't have a meaningful disscuss with someone who is certifiablly crazy.
     
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    I agree the negocations are a waste of time, but I don't think going to war with them is a good idea right now either.
     
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    Dear sir .. if you don't like the freedom of dissent in this country, then it is you who should get the fuck out.

    The notion that "the bomb" was neccesary to end WWII is absolutely MINDLESS beyond belief. Japan is an ISLAND. Any bells going off yet?

    Japan is an Island that was out of virtually everything to wage war or to even feed its own population. They were down to flying planes into boats to try to stop them. Any bells going off yet?

    The Russians were closing in on Japan .. and it became a race to see who got to defeat Japan first.

    Additionally, we were TESTING .. and no test can be complete unless you do it twice .. so we did it twice. WE opened that door to Pandora's Box, not because we had to, but because we could.

    The notion that Iran wants to attack Israel .. knowing that its bitch, the United States would then retaliate and destroy Iran, is the kind of mindfuck that requires really dumb-ass people to buy into.

    NEWSFLASH: The US and the UK overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and installed one of the most brutal dictators in history, the Shah of Iran and his brutal secret police force, SAVAK, which Israel trained in the arts of torture and oppression. We didn't do that because we had to, but because we could .. and for profit.

    Feel free to put the interests of Israel before the interests of the US anytime you choose .. but you should save the invitation to move for yourself .. or for someone who gives a fuck about an invitation.
     
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    Was using the a-bomb absolutely necessary? No, but did save a lot of lives over the long-run.
     
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    Saved lives?

    We killed 90000–166000 people in Hiroshima and 60000–80000 in Nagasaki.

    The Japanese tried to surrender after their defeat at Midway in April 1942 .. but George Marshall, Roosevelt's army chief of staff, was having none of that. There were bigger goals to obtain. He called the attempts at peace "premature." Those attempts at peace continued throughout 1942, 1943, and 1944 .. but the anticipated effects of atomic bombing was just too intriguing to pass up.
     
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    Without getting into the lives likely saved by signaling (by letting the Soviets know we had the bomb), most estimates suggest an invasion of Japan would have cost the lives in two million American soldiers.
     
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    Invasion was completely unnecessary. Japan was anxious to surrender AND a blockade of the ISLAND would have cost few lives.

    They had nothing left.

    It's an island.
     
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    Surrender on terms that kept the emperor in power. That was unacceptable.
     

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