Iran Negotiations: Can the West waste more time?

[rhodescholar]

These have been going on for what, 10 years? The last few times the 2 sides have sat down, the only thing accomplished has been to establish is to pick the next luxurious destination for free meals and hotel accommodations for the useless diplomats.

Is there an end game in sight here, or are we going to spend the next 10 years doing the same while iran builds a stockpile of nuclear weapons?

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Iran has every right to build nuclear weapons to protect itself from nations that have them .. specifically the US and Israel.

The notion that the only nation in history to have actually used nuclear weapons on civilian populations .. TWICE .. should have the right to determine who else gets them is mindless.

Absolutely mindless.

 

[signelect]

Dear BAC if you don't like what we do then move. We did not start WWII but the bomb did end it years eariler than otherwise would have happened. Iran wants to use the bomb on Israel and yet Israel has never attached Iran. These people are crazy and have no interest in negoitating anything. I agree that they like to go to the fancy hotels and buy some more time. You can't have a meaningful disscuss with someone who is certifiablly crazy.

 

[High_Gravity]

I agree the negocations are a waste of time, but I don't think going to war with them is a good idea right now either.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Dear BAC if you don't like what we do then move. We did not start WWII but the bomb did end it years eariler than otherwise would have happened. Iran wants to use the bomb on Israel and yet Israel has never attached Iran. These people are crazy and have no interest in negoitating anything. I agree that they like to go to the fancy hotels and buy some more time. You can't have a meaningful disscuss with someone who is certifiablly crazy.

Dear sir .. if you don't like the freedom of dissent in this country, then it is you who should get the fuck out.

The notion that "the bomb" was neccesary to end WWII is absolutely MINDLESS beyond belief. Japan is an ISLAND. Any bells going off yet?

Japan is an Island that was out of virtually everything to wage war or to even feed its own population. They were down to flying planes into boats to try to stop them. Any bells going off yet?

The Russians were closing in on Japan .. and it became a race to see who got to defeat Japan first.

Additionally, we were TESTING .. and no test can be complete unless you do it twice .. so we did it twice. WE opened that door to Pandora's Box, not because we had to, but because we could.

The notion that Iran wants to attack Israel .. knowing that its bitch, the United States would then retaliate and destroy Iran, is the kind of mindfuck that requires really dumb-ass people to buy into.

NEWSFLASH: The US and the UK overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and installed one of the most brutal dictators in history, the Shah of Iran and his brutal secret police force, SAVAK, which Israel trained in the arts of torture and oppression. We didn't do that because we had to, but because we could .. and for profit.

Feel free to put the interests of Israel before the interests of the US anytime you choose .. but you should save the invitation to move for yourself .. or for someone who gives a fuck about an invitation.

 

[Polk]

Dear BAC if you don't like what we do then move. We did not start WWII but the bomb did end it years eariler than otherwise would have happened. Iran wants to use the bomb on Israel and yet Israel has never attached Iran. These people are crazy and have no interest in negoitating anything. I agree that they like to go to the fancy hotels and buy some more time. You can't have a meaningful disscuss with someone who is certifiablly crazy.

Dear sir .. if you don't like the freedom of dissent in this country, then it is you who should get the fuck out.

The notion that "the bomb" was neccesary to end WWII is absolutely MINDLESS beyond belief. Japan is an ISLAND. Any bells going off yet?

Japan is an Island that was out of virtually everything to wage war or to even feed its own population. They were down to flying planes into boats to try to stop them. Any bells going off yet?

The Russians were closing in on Japan .. and it became a race to see who got to defeat Japan first.

Additionally, we were TESTING .. and no test can be complete unless you do it twice .. so we did it twice. WE opened that door to Pandora's Box, not because we had to, but because we could.

The notion that Iran wants to attack Israel .. knowing that its bitch, the United States would then retaliate and destroy Iran, is the kind of mindfuck that requires really dumb-ass people to buy into.

NEWSFLASH: The US and the UK overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and installed one of the most brutal dictators in history, the Shah of Iran and his brutal secret police force, SAVAK, which Israel trained in the arts of torture and oppression. We didn't do that because we had to, but because we could .. and for profit.

Feel free to put the interests of Israel before the interests of the US anytime you choose .. but you should save the invitation to move for yourself .. or for someone who gives a fuck about an invitation.

Was using the a-bomb absolutely necessary? No, but did save a lot of lives over the long-run.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Dear BAC if you don't like what we do then move. We did not start WWII but the bomb did end it years eariler than otherwise would have happened. Iran wants to use the bomb on Israel and yet Israel has never attached Iran. These people are crazy and have no interest in negoitating anything. I agree that they like to go to the fancy hotels and buy some more time. You can't have a meaningful disscuss with someone who is certifiablly crazy.

Dear sir .. if you don't like the freedom of dissent in this country, then it is you who should get the fuck out.

The notion that "the bomb" was neccesary to end WWII is absolutely MINDLESS beyond belief. Japan is an ISLAND. Any bells going off yet?

Japan is an Island that was out of virtually everything to wage war or to even feed its own population. They were down to flying planes into boats to try to stop them. Any bells going off yet?

The Russians were closing in on Japan .. and it became a race to see who got to defeat Japan first.

Additionally, we were TESTING .. and no test can be complete unless you do it twice .. so we did it twice. WE opened that door to Pandora's Box, not because we had to, but because we could.

The notion that Iran wants to attack Israel .. knowing that its bitch, the United States would then retaliate and destroy Iran, is the kind of mindfuck that requires really dumb-ass people to buy into.

NEWSFLASH: The US and the UK overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and installed one of the most brutal dictators in history, the Shah of Iran and his brutal secret police force, SAVAK, which Israel trained in the arts of torture and oppression. We didn't do that because we had to, but because we could .. and for profit.

Feel free to put the interests of Israel before the interests of the US anytime you choose .. but you should save the invitation to move for yourself .. or for someone who gives a fuck about an invitation.

Was using the a-bomb absolutely necessary? No, but did save a lot of lives over the long-run.

Saved lives?

We killed 90000–166000 people in Hiroshima and 60000–80000 in Nagasaki.

The Japanese tried to surrender after their defeat at Midway in April 1942 .. but George Marshall, Roosevelt's army chief of staff, was having none of that. There were bigger goals to obtain. He called the attempts at peace "premature." Those attempts at peace continued throughout 1942, 1943, and 1944 .. but the anticipated effects of atomic bombing was just too intriguing to pass up.

 

[Polk]

Without getting into the lives likely saved by signaling (by letting the Soviets know we had the bomb), most estimates suggest an invasion of Japan would have cost the lives in two million American soldiers.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Without getting into the lives likely saved by signaling (by letting the Soviets know we had the bomb), most estimates suggest an invasion of Japan would have cost the lives in two million American soldiers.

Invasion was completely unnecessary. Japan was anxious to surrender AND a blockade of the ISLAND would have cost few lives.

They had nothing left.

It's an island.

 

[Polk]

Surrender on terms that kept the emperor in power. That was unacceptable.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Surrender on terms that kept the emperor in power. That was unacceptable.

All they asked was that he not be hanged .. which didn't happen anyway.

Opening the door to global nuclear destruction .. that was more acceptable?

 

[Billo_Really]

These have been going on for what, 10 years? The last few times the 2 sides have sat down, the only thing accomplished has been to establish is to pick the next luxurious destination for free meals and hotel accommodations for the useless diplomats.

Is there an end game in sight here, or are we going to spend the next 10 years doing the same while iran builds a stockpile of nuclear weapons?

You can't even prove their program has been weaponized, let alone stockpiled.

 

[Billo_Really]

What the "Real Men go to Tehran" fear the most!​

These war-mongers are afraid of Iran getting "the bomb" and not using it. Because that would seriously damage all their Iranian threat propaganda and possibly derail their global war of aggression.

This is from the American Enterprise Institute:
"The biggest problem for the United States is not Iran getting a nuclear weapon and testing it, it's Iran getting a nuclear weapon and not using it. Because the second that they have one and they don't do anything bad, all of the naysayers are going to come back and say, 'See, we told you Iran is a responsible power. We told you Iran wasn't getting nuclear weapons in order to use them immediately.' ... And they will eventually define Iran with nuclear weapons as not a problem."

 

[Billo_Really]

Why would any country start some shit, when they're completely surrounded by the enemy?



All the stars are US and coalition bases.

 

[Sunni Man]

Everyone needs to hear what this ex head of Mossad has to say about attacking Iran.

This interviews was on 60 Minutes just a few weeks ago.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcfUQemO5WM]IRAN Ex-Mossad Chief: Attacking Iran Now Is The Stupidest Idea, Rational Regime & Diplomacy - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Polk]

Surrender on terms that kept the emperor in power. That was unacceptable.

All they asked was that he not be hanged .. which didn't happen anyway.

Opening the door to global nuclear destruction .. that was more acceptable?

Absolutely. Of course, I think there is a pretty strong argument that the possibility of global nuclear destruction is the largest source of global stability over the last 60 years.

 

[Polk]

Why would any country start some shit, when they're completely surrounded by the enemy?



All the stars are US and coalition bases.

Reminds me of the joke about our exit strategies for Iraq and Afghanistan were both through Iran.

 

[Billo_Really]

Reminds me of the joke about our exit strategies for Iraq and Afghanistan were both through Iran.

Maybe they were thinking about killing two birds with one stone:

• bring the troops home
• get back our two helicopters that have been laying in their desert since the late '70's

 

[JoeB131]

Dear BAC if you don't like what we do then move. We did not start WWII but the bomb did end it years eariler than otherwise would have happened. Iran wants to use the bomb on Israel and yet Israel has never attached Iran. These people are crazy and have no interest in negoitating anything. I agree that they like to go to the fancy hotels and buy some more time. You can't have a meaningful disscuss with someone who is certifiablly crazy.

Um, no, not really. The Japanese were seeking a negotiated end to the war as early as Febuary 1945 and those efforts increased after the Surrender of Germany in May 1945 and they knew the US could fully concentrate on the Pacific Theatre. We refused to accept a surrender that wasn't unconditional, they insisted on retaining the Emperor in his position.

Then an odd thing happened. We nuked HIroshima, but that didn't have much of an effect. We were killing more Japanese with conventional bombing, anyway. What changed was the USSR entered the war in Asia and was rolling up the Japanese Army in China like a map. THen both American and Japanese leaders realized that partitioning Japan like Germany had been partitioned would be bad for everyone involved, and suddenly, we decided we totally like the Emperor. Totally said the war wasn't his fault (which wasn't true, Hirohito was as guilty as a cat in a canary cage.)

But the same thing happened there that is happening now. We assumed our adversaries were unreasoning monsters when they were just people.

Iran wants a weapon because everyone else has them. And frankly, they look at Qadaffy and Saddam, both of whom gave up their nuclear ambitions and were eventually deposed by the west, I just don't see any real incentive for them to give up their nuclear program.

 

[Katzndogz]

Iran is not going to give up its nuclear ambitions. We can either surrender or sit around and wait until we have to fight then argue about whether we should fight, or just surrender in the name of world peace.