IPCC climate sensitivities called into question

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    last year I pointed out that the only quantification of climate sensitivity (feedback) that was based on data rather than computer models showed a value of close to one rather than the two, three or five that alarmists like to use. a statistician, Nik Lewis (who's rebuttal of Steig's antarctica was also an interesting foray into peer review) also pointed out to the IPCC the irregular methodologies used to calculate the values which led to a correction being published.

    Lewis has now found serious apparent flaws in the supposed data used by Forest in two of the studies used, as well as follow on studies. after being rebuffed for the raw data and methodologies, he went to the publishing Journal, which asked Forest for the data. unfortunately the data is now 'lost'. how typical of climate science. deny, delay, destroy.

    Throwing down the gauntlet on reproducibility in Climate Science – Forest et al. (2006) | Watts Up With That?

    Questioning the Forest et al. (2006) sensitivity study | Climate Etc.
     
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    everybody likes the pretty graphs

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    Climate sensativities.

    Kind of like at what point do we see major fires from the drying and increase in temperatures and wind speed?

    Like at what point do we see an effectively ice free Arctic?

    At what point do we see the increase in atmospheric humidity resulting in major floods?

    Seems the scientists have been a bit too conservative on the numbers, from what we are seeing in the real world.
     
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    It seems to me that hockey sticks have not only a blade, but the blade is CURVED.

    Acceleration phenomena can be tricky to figure, but I believe this should be done, even if all we figure out is how DAMAGE FROM CLIMATE CHANGE IS ACCELERATING.
     
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    How do you "lose" stuff like that? It wasn't ORIGINAL DATA because he didn't travel the world collecting it.. And how do you publish a paper without giving a hint as to the methodologies? Losing the stuff kinda chills the possibilities of an open debate doesn't it?

    Yeah -- I'd favor the ONE study that showed ZERO prob. for the area where all other studies peaked their prob. :eusa-sarcasm:

    Then I'd just pull a 2.62 out of the magician's pouch.
     
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    The dog ate Goebbels warming. :lol:
     
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    Garbage in, garbage out...or should I say it was thrown out?
     
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    I keep thinking the IPCC will have to acknowledge all of these problems with climate science methods and data but I suppose I am just fooling myself. but real science always wins in the end.
     
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    Try posting some actual facts or logic instead of a series of non sequiturs and outright lies.
     
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    What we are seeing in the mountain west is a lie?

    What they just experianced in Florida, DC, and much of the rest of the Eastern seaboard is a lie?

    What we are seeing in the Arctic right now is a lie?

    Pattycake, you are just plain stupid.
     

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