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[Lisa558]

It is a two-way road. If Israeli Arabs can peacefully coexist with the Jews, I don't see any reasons why 'Palestinian' Arabs can't do the same.

After what they just pulled on October 7th, you want to get us to believe these people can peacefully co-exist with Jews?

If a man raped your wife, would you then invite him to stay in your guest room down the hall?

 

[ESay]

After what they just pulled on October 7th, you want to get us to believe these people can peacefully co-exist with Jews?

If a man raped your wife, would you then invite him to stay in your guest room down the hall?

Sorry, but you can't bring on and on 'the 7th October' to justify a land grab or ethnic cleansing or something like that.

There are numerous examples when nations try to form if not friendly but still pragmatic relations between each other, despite atrocities in the past that far exceed 'the 7th October'. Germany and other European nations, Japan and S Korea, Armenia and Azerbaijan etc etc. Sorry, but the Jews aren't any special.

 

[Lisa558]

Sorry, but you can't bring on and on 'the 7th October' to justify a land grab or ethnic cleansing or something like that.

There are numerous examples when nations try to form if not friendly but still pragmatic relations between each other, despite atrocities in the past that far exceed 'the 7th October'. Germany and other European nations, Japan and S Korea, Armenia and Azerbaijan etc etc. Sorry, but the Jews aren't any special.

1) There‘s no ethnic cleansing. Fully 20% of Israelis are Muslims.

2) Odd how you slough off the butchery against Jews On Ocrober 7th by Muslim monsters.

3) And Isrsel has formed relations with many decent Arab countries. The Palestinians have proven time and time again their goal is to eradicate Israel.

4) Jews ARE special in this regard because it is the sole Jewish country in the world. There are lots of Muslim countries in Middle East - all of which ethnically cleansed themselves of Jews.

Your double standard in FALSELY accusing Jews of ethnic cleansing, while ignoring that the entire Middle East did that to Jews, is one of the accepted definitions of antisemitism.

 

[rylah]

Yup. The Arabs have made the entire Middle East Judenfree, other than the 0.5% of Israel, but they won’t be satisfied until ALL Jews are wiped out of the entire region.

Yet to hear the antisemites squawk about “genocide,” you’d think it’s the opposite.

We have to understand that it's not only about Jews, rather foremost other minorities in the region under the yoke of Arab imperialism. Israel is only at the forefront of this liberation movement in the region. In the long run, we have to understand, many others look at Israel as an exemplary leader, to look forward to and follow the example, joining others in their liberation from the yoke of Arab imperialism.

That is what it's all about, I don't like to make parallels,
in a way Israel is like a "Ukraine" of Arab imperialism,
should be easily swallowed - eventually causes the
dissolution of an empire hundred times its size.

 

[rylah]

Interesting things happen in the world...

a 100 years ago, a Jewish state was an inconceivable reality, today
they accuse us of genocide, and taking over Gaza, while sweating
over, Jewish prayer at the Temple Mount becoming the norm.

The direction of healthy normalcy,
is already appearing through the mess.

India: Muslims enraged as another mosque is found to have been built on the ruins of a Hindu temple

After reclaiming the Ram Temple after a 500-year-long battle, the Hindus of India are in no hurry to rest. They have already filed their claims for another ancient temple — the Gyanvapi — that was razed by the orders of the Mughal tyrant Aurangazeb in 1669. The walls of the semi-demolished...

www.jihadwatch.org

 

[ESay]

1) There‘s no ethnic cleansing. Fully 20% of Israelis are Muslims

Some advocate making the Gaza Strip 'Jewish'. Not only in terms of political control, but in the terms of populace. It is definitely an ethnic cleansing.

2) Odd how you slough off the butchery against Jews On Ocrober 7th by Muslim monsters

Hamas should be destroyed. But that shouldn't be a pretext for making Gaza 'Jewish'.

3) And Isrsel has formed relations with many decent Arab countries. The Palestinians have proven time and time again their goal is to eradicate Israel

The Palestinians are the same Arabs that live in Israel. Let them have decent way of life, in the terms of economy and political leadership, and the situation will be changing.

4) Jews ARE special in this regard because it is the sole Jewish country in the world. There are lots of Muslim countries in Middle East - all of which ethnically cleansed themselves of Jews

And? The Japanese ethnically cleansed the native population of the Japan Isles, the European settlers ethnically cleansed the Natives in Northern America, the Turkic people ethnically cleansed the whole regions in Asia at the times of their conquests. As I said above, the Jews aren't any special.

Your double standard in FALSELY accusing Jews of ethnic cleansing, while ignoring that the entire Middle East did that to Jews, is one of the accepted definitions of antisemitism

I don't care about silly definitions.

 

[Lisa558]

Some advocate making the Gaza Strip 'Jewish'. Not only in terms of political control, but in the terms of populace. It is definitely an ethnic cleansing.

So the section where Muslims want to murder the Jews? Why should have to face another October 7th? The Muslim savages SAID they will keep going until every Jew is dead? Why aren’t you condemning the Muslims for all the ethnic cleansing of Jews THEY have done throughout the entire Middle East? Why condemn the Jews for what the Muslims have actually done?

Hamas should be destroyed. But that shouldn't be a pretext for making Gaza 'Jewish'.



The Palestinians are the same Arabs that live in Israel. Let them have decent way of life, in the terms of economy and political leadership, and the situation will be changing.

Any lack of a decent life is due to them, not the Jews.

And? The Japanese ethnically cleansed the native population of the Japan Isles, the European settlers ethnically cleansed the Natives in Northern America, the Turkic people ethnically cleansed the whole regions in Asia at the times of their conquests. As I said above, the Jews aren't any special.

Except the Jews aren’t ethnically cleansing. There was a cease-fire, and the Muslim savages broke it to go on an inhuman massacre of Jews. The Muslims in Gaza won’t let the Jews live in peace.

I don't care about silly definitions.

Just pointing out that you’re antisemitic, according to the U.S. state Department. But that’s obvious by your one-sided attack against the Jewish country.

 

[Shusha]

Some advocate making the Gaza Strip 'Jewish'. Not only in terms of political control, but in the terms of populace. It is definitely an ethnic cleansing.

I don't know who you believe is advocating for this, but a mixed population of Jews and Arabs living together in Israel in peace is not "ethnic cleansing". Words have meanings.

The Palestinians are the same Arabs that live in Israel. Let them have decent way of life, in the terms of economy and political leadership, and the situation will be changing.

The Palestinians in Gaza have had nearly 20 years to make a "decent way of life". They squandered it away building a war culture and society. Then they committed an atrocity of such evil that they can't be permitted to supervise themselves, let alone self-govern. It didn't have to go this way. But it did. And now the consequences.

 

[Shusha]

Sorry, but you can't bring on and on 'the 7th October' to justify a land grab or ethnic cleansing or something like that.

Sorry, but the acts of extreme and barbaric evil committed on October 7 absolutely justify extreme efforts to prevent future acts of barbaric evil against civilians, especially when those future acts are promised. Minimizing that barbaric evil by claiming it as an excuse for a "land grab" is disrespectful to those who lost their lives, or were horrifically harmed by the evil.

 

[ESay]

So the section where Muslims want to murder the Jews? Why should have to face another October 7th? The Muslim savages SAID they will keep going until every Jew is dead? Why aren’t you condemning the Muslims for all the ethnic cleansing of Jews THEY have done throughout the entire Middle East? Why condemn the Jews for what the Muslims have actually done?

I condemn ethnic cleansing of the Jews, I condemn ethnic cleansing on the Balkans, I condemn ethnic cleansing in Sudan and Ethiopia, I condemn ethnic cleansing in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Ethnic cleansing is inevitable part of human history, even in the modern times. The Jews aren't any special.

Any lack of a decent life is due to them, not the Jews

I agree, their problems are on them. But that is not a reason to expel them from their land.

Except the Jews aren’t ethnically cleansing. There was a cease-fire, and the Muslim savages broke it to go on an inhuman massacre of Jews. The Muslims in Gaza won’t let the Jews live in peace

That is why they should undergo a deep political transformation, under international supervision on the first stages. But Israel should offer decent terms for peace. Without economic blockade of Gaza, bantustans in the West Bank, and preserving the status quo in Jerusalem.

Just pointing out that you’re antisemitic, according to the U.S. state Department. But that’s obvious by your one-sided attack against the Jewish country

You should face the reality. Such people like you lead Israel to destruction.

 

[ESay]

I don't know who you believe is advocating for this, but a mixed population of Jews and Arabs living together in Israel in peace is not "ethnic cleansing". Words have meanings

We are talking about Arabs in Gaza. And I feel great dishonesty from your part (from 'your' part I mean all those with let's call it 'ultra pro-Israeli views). Here, you say that the Jewish people can't leave alongside with those who committed such atrocities. There, you talking about Jews and Arabs living together in peace.

The Palestinians in Gaza have had nearly 20 years to make a "decent way of life". They squandered it away building a war culture and society. Then they committed an atrocity of such evil that they can't be permitted to supervise themselves, let alone self-govern. It didn't have to go this way. But it did. And now the consequences

Yes, they failed. Greatly. Mainly 'thanks to' some radical guys that were once financed, in part, by Israeli government.

That is why the Gaza Strip should undergo a deep political transformation.

 

[ESay]

Sorry, but the acts of extreme and barbaric evil committed on October 7 absolutely justify extreme efforts to prevent future acts of barbaric evil against civilians, especially when those future acts are promised. Minimizing that barbaric evil by claiming it as an excuse for a "land grab" is disrespectful to those who lost their lives, or were horrifically harmed by the evil.

And that is why Hamas should be eliminated. Physically, politically, economically. But after that, Israel should go away from there.

 

[fncceo]

Let the Gaza Arabs have decent standard of living and education and maybe their attitude toward Israel won't be much different than that of the Israeli Arabs.

How Gaza lives is entirely of their own choosing.

They have chosen to fight a war against enemy who they cannot defeat and who, if given a chance, would be a valuable economic ally.

Their chosen leaders, who prefers to see their people dead rather than at peace with Israel, have chosen missiles over medicine and suicide bombers over schools.

As long as they continue this self destructive path, there is nothing anyone can do to help them.

 

[Shusha]

And that is why Hamas should be eliminated. Physically, politically, economically. But after that, Israel should go away from there.

Why? So it can just start all over again? Hard nope.

 

[Shusha]

We are talking about Arabs in Gaza. And I feel great dishonesty from your part (from 'your' part I mean all those with let's call it 'ultra pro-Israeli views). Here, you say that the Jewish people can't leave alongside with those who committed such atrocities. There, you talking about Jews and Arabs living together in peace.

I don't know how you see that as dishonest. The Arabs of Gaza, left to their own devices create a war society and culture (radicalization in the absence of supervision). The Arabs of Gaza, living alongside the Jewish people in peace and security (deradicalization with supervision and education), will achieve economic and political prosperity. It won't happen overnight.

Yes, they failed. Greatly. Mainly 'thanks to' some radical guys that were once financed, in part, by Israeli government.

Don't bring Israel to the forefront of this. The war society of Gaza had funding from multiple countries and organizations. What they chose to do with that funding rests solely with them.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Yeah, from the establishment? In the next post you will claim they cheerfully embraced the Israel's establishment in 1948?

The ones that stayed certainly did. Many of them fought in the ‘48 war alongside the Jews.

 

[fncceo]

Sorry, but you can't bring on and on 'the 7th October' to justify a land grab or ethnic cleansing or something like that.

Only it's not a land grab ...

Israel ceded Gaza to total Gazan control over a decade ago. Continuous attacks with rockets (tens of thousands of rockets), mortars, cross-border incursions and culminating in the horrific Oct 7th attacks were the result.

Israel will not allow Hamas or their tool the UNRWA to run things in Gaza any longer. When the attacks stop for good, Israel will leave.

And it's not an ethnic cleansing. No one in the Israeli government is calling for the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza, just their Hamas leaders and their associates.

If the Gazans choose peace, there will be peace.

 

[ESay]

Only it's not a land grab ...

Israel ceded Gaza to total Gazan control over a decade ago. Continuous attacks with rockets (tens of thousands of rockets), mortars, cross-border incursions and culminating in the horrific Oct 7th attacks were the result.

Israel will not allow Hamas or their tool the UNRWA to run things in Gaza any longer. When the attacks stop for good, Israel will leave.

And it's not an ethnic cleansing. No one in the Israeli government is calling for the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza, just their Hamas leaders and their associates.

If the Gazans choose peace, there will be peace.

No one calls? Okay then. Just reading some pro-Israeli posters here and reading about some Israeli MPs and officials calling for the expulsion gives some different impression. They are in deep minority? I hope so.

There is no doubt that Gaza should undergo a deep political transformation, with international supervision. And Israel should be a part of that. And, if these attempts will bring results, Gaza should become a sovereign nation.

 

[fncceo]

There is no doubt that Gaza should undergo a deep political transformation, with international supervision. And Israel should be a part of that. And, if these attempts will bring results, Gaza should become a sovereign nation.

Step 1 - Hamas, their supporters, and like-minded groups have to leave or be certain to never again hold political power - in the same way that fascists were expelled from Axis powers after the 2nd World War.

Israel is doing that right now.

 

[ESay]

Step 1 - Hamas, their supporters, and like-minded groups have to leave or be certain to never again hold political power - in the same way that fascists were expelled from Axis powers after the 2nd World War.

Israel is doing that right now.

Rumours go that many fascists ended up in West German and Austrian governments and local governments alike.

Hamas should be prohibited and its military branch eliminated. But you can't get rid of 'their supporters' and 'like-minded groups'. IRA and resolution of the Troubles will be the path.