In Sheriff's Department Forced not to report Illegals who Break the Law

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  1. Dan Stubbs
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    The Government and Progressive ACLU now forcing Police Department to NOT help Federal Lawmen deport Illegals.


    A federal appellate court just heard oral arguments involving an outrageous backdoor deal in which a county sheriff promises a leftwing civil rights group to stop detaining illegal immigrants. The case comes out of Marion County Indiana where an illegal alien, Antonio Lopez-Aguilar, was arrested by local law enforcement after a traffic court hearing in Indianapolis. At the time the Marion County Sheriff’s Office had an agreement with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to hold suspects in the U.S. illegally like Lopez-Aguilar until federal officers pick them up for processing.

    The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) sued the Marion County Sheriff to end the local-federal detainer policy that is practiced by law enforcement agencies nationwide and has led to the removal of countless violent criminals living in the country illegally. The ACLU asserts that ICE uses the detainers to “bully local authorities into imprisoning immigrants, many of whom have done nothing wrong, and funneling them into deportation proceedings.” Lopez-Aguilar was held in jail and funneled into deportation proceedings solely on the basis of a “detainer request” from ICE, according to the ACLU. “In addition to violating immigrants’ basic constitutional rights, this kind of cooperation between local law enforcement and federal immigration authorities also undermines public safety,” the group claims. “If immigrants are reluctant to show up in court or report a crime out of fear they may be deported, everyone will be less safe.”

    The Marion County Sheriff’s Office caved into the ACLU’s demands by agreeing to stop detaining illegal immigrants for the federal government. Under the deal’s terms, the agency won’t seize or detain suspects based on requests from ICE or deportation orders from an immigration court. The feds must provide a warrant signed by a judge or demonstrate probable cause the immigrant committed a crime. This sort of intimate arrangement between a local law enforcement agency and a private group to skirt federal law seems incredulous. To be fair, a local newspaper reported that the sheriff’s office made the deal to avoid the costly legal expenses of fighting it. “Court documents filed by city attorneys cited the cost of litigation as motivation to end a lawsuit the ACLU filed in September after an Indianapolis man living in the country illegally was detained after a hearing in traffic court,” the article states.

    Fortunately, the state got involved and filed an appeal to reverse the scandalous agreement which was approved by a federal judge in the southern district of Indiana last year. Indiana Attorney General Curtis Hill says the decree runs counter to Indiana law and public safety. “Our nation’s immigration laws are put in place to protect the public,” Hill said in a statement last year when his office filed the appeal. “Establishing a policy that requires law enforcement personnel to not cooperate with each other not only violates Indiana law but jeopardizes public safety.” Last week the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals heard arguments from the state and the ACLU, which is trying to keep the state from intervening by arguing that it is barred from doing so on procedural grounds. A three-judge panel heard oral arguments in Chicago on Friday.

    The attorney representing Indiana taxpayers, Solicitor General Thomas Fisher, told the court that “when there is a specific request from ICE to detain a person,” state law “requires that kind of cooperation.” In 2011 Indiana passed a measure prohibiting the implementation of any policies that restrict local law enforcement agencies from cooperating with federal immigration authorities. The ACLU-Marion County Sheriff agreement violates that state law, Fisher argued before the appellate court. The ACLU also sued Indiana years ago over the immigration control law, claiming that it’s discriminatory, unconstitutional and unlawfully interferes with federal power and authority over immigration matters. The group claims that the law marginalizes entire communities and undermines our most cherished constitutional safeguards by putting Indiana residents at risk of unlawful warrantless arrests without any suspicion of wrongdoing.
     
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    The ACLU is correct.

    Enforcing Federal immigration laws is the sole purview of Federal authorities.

    That an immigrant might be undocumented doesn’t mean he’s ‘illegal’ or otherwise ‘predisposed’ to crime.

    All persons in the United States are entitled to a presumption of innocence and due process of the law – including those undocumented.

    The ACLU is likewise correct that these unwarranted and un-Constitutional practices by local law enforcement have an adverse effect on public safety.

    State and local authorities should restrict themselves to enforcing state and local laws, not interfering in the enforcement of Federal immigration law.
     
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    they should??
    they shouldn't report undocumented/illegals?
    why not?
    we want possible terrorists to just roam at will?
    ridiculous
     
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    Not working with the Feds is against all that has been in the past. Turning loose a person the Feds want is breaking the law and this whole case is nothing but ACLU bullying the small Sheriff's dept into doing what they want which is under minding the law. The ACLU needs to be put out of business.
     
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    Hate to break your little heart but anyone who crosses the border is a illegal and it is still against the law.
     
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    All this about the feds wanting "illegals' detained by states, cities and counties. Yet, nobody in the USA is "illegal", until they have been tried in a federal court and found guilty of violating a federal law. Until then, they are "undocumented". It is not against the law to be "undocumented". Looks like ICE is going to have to obey the Constitution. That has to drive the RW nuts. Most of them did not read that chapter of their 8th grade Civics text.
     
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    I hate to make a dent into your NAZI philosophy by pointing out that I cross the border all the time, and I am not an "illegal".
     
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    Most are illegal, not frity tutti "undocumented."
     
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    ....innocent people -Americans-- are detained ALL the time BEFORE they are found not guilty/have a trial/etc
    How Long Can Police Detain Me? | Minick Law, P.C.
    ILLEGAL ALIEN: An "illegal alien" is a foreigner who (1) does not owe allegiance to our country; and (2) who has violated our laws and customs in establishing residence in our country. He or she is therefore a criminal under applicable U.S. laws.

    The term "illegal alien" is used by U.S. citizens who believe that non-citizens entering our country must comply with our immigration laws.

    The term "illegal alien" is predicated upon U.S. immigration law which requires foreigners entering the U.S. to comply with our country's rules and laws regarding entry into, and residence within, our country.
    [/QUOTE]
    Definitions: Alien, Immigrant, Illegal Alien, Undocumented Immigrant
     
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    I just came over from the ACLU site and you almost worded your post word for word. You don't work for them do you?
     

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