CDZ I'm calling habeas corpus on the Russian collusion claim. Where is the collusion.

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    Where is the collusion? There is a difference between a foreign government wanting a certain leader to be elected (either for self interest or noble interest, doesn't matter), and a case of scratching each other's backs, which would constitute collusion. So how has trump scratched the back of the Russians? There are still sanctions on Russia, and going off the word of the trump administration will remain until Russia ends its involvement in the Ukraine. So what has this administration done to scratch the back of Putin, and why the hell have we not heard of it with leaks coming left and right out of this administration, like buckshot to a watering tin?

    Now did Russia try to influence this election, yes. Duh. This is a problem, but it is a separate problem from collusion. Did they want trump to win, yes, but to claim collusion, there needs to be some sort of two way benefits going back and forth. Where are they? What has Putin got from trump?

    If you were to try to influence the French election so that le Pen wouldn't win, that's wrong on you're part. But if you do so on you're own accord, and le Pen doesn't give back anything to you...how then could someone call that collusion on le pens part?

    I don't even like trump, but the left has gone over the cliff, they are turning into Alex jones, where EVERYTHING, every move, statement, policy, or sneeze is now a conspiracy fueled by racism, bigotry, and sexism to throw us back into the puritanical/slavery age. It's time to come back to reality. There are numerous fair criticisms of trump to be made, stick to those. You're playing out the little boy who cried wolf because you're looking for impeachment, and by doing so drowning out your own voice to the people who will listen to reason. But all that reason is NOT being heard through the "#fire comey, unless Trump (the only person who really can fire comey) does so, then comey is a hero, trump is a lex Luther villain." It's ridiculous. Reasonable people see the hypocrisy and are tuning you out, want nothing to do with anything else you say. We're tired of it.
     
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    Why would they want Trump to win? hilary was already bought and paid for through 144 million dollars given to the clinton foundation.....and money paid to bill the rapist for speeches. Trump campaigned on rebuilding the U.S. military, turning loose American energy production, and taking a tough stance on trade...all things that the Russians oppose...
     
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    Are you really suggesting the Russians wanted Hillary to win? I dont think they expected him to win, but they stated over and over again how important it was that trump won. The leaked emails from Hillary and DNC didn't just appear out of no where. Not to mention the clintons have been royally pissing off the Russians for decades. You're not going to like the answer of why the Russians wanted trump to win. Your smart enough to see it for yourself, you're just going to have to take off your blinders.
     
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    And therein lies the game. There is no collusion by Trump. There never was. Him collude with the Kremlin? You'd have a better chance waiting for the Sun to rise in the west. Just another wild, flailing act of liberal desperation. As per my other post in The Liberal Desperation, it is all gamesmanship in getting the other side to spend all of their energy, all of their ammo, shooting off at nothing by empty smoke and mirrors. Trump has more smarts in his pinky finger than all the Dems put together, and just as he made fools out of the entire political arena during the campaign and election, in the end, he will out politicize the professional politicians because they have never dealt with anything like him before. This is a man who has flourished in the vicious private sector of real business where you sink and swim by the sagaciousness of your instincts with your own money rather than just pass a bill to raise more appropriations when you screw up, and none of the usual silver stakes politicians use to take out their enemies work against this man. His is on a whole other plane. God help them all. If you could look behind closed doors, the democrats are banging their heads off the table not sure what to do next. There is liberal apoplexy everywhere. Just when they thought they owned the bus company and were about to park the last and final bus into place for their global agenda, on Nov. 8, worlds collided. The unthinkable, impossible happened. Washington D.C. is being taken to school beaten at their own game, and Donald Trump is driving the bus.




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    This is why Comey asked for more funding -- so he could keep going down that rat hole.

    Now Trump has kicked him out of the rat hole.

    There will now need to be another top ferret to go down into the rat hole next.

    Trump will ask him/her if they will promise him complete loyalty ?!

    Do ferrets ever lie ?!

    FBI -- ferret bureau of investigation.
     
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    Trump does not have those smarts you suggest he does. He has handled the comey firing horribly, travel ban, obamacare "repeal", boarder wall, etc. all terribly. He lives in the moment, and says whatever he thinks will benefit him in the moment. He contradicts himself, and his staff often. And creates mountains out of mole hills. He give the left plentiful ammo, because he does not stand for anything solid, just for where the wind blows in the moment.
     
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    How has trump as president collides with the Russians. You're claiming murder, without the presence of any murder victim. What can trump DO as president to help the Russians without us knowing? Where is the back scratching? Where is he lifting sanctions, giving money, tech, support to the Russians? I don't know how many more ways I can ask this question.
     
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    he had the Russians in his oval office yesterday...

    and maybe we've seen nothing because he's been under the spotlight since the Flynn revelation and firing? He;s been frozen, paralyzed for the time being so he can't make any ''pay backs''?? I dunno?
     
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    Thanks for admitting there is no body for the murder you are claiming. There is more evidence of the clintons collusion with foreign entities donating to the Clinton foundation, and then magically being granted a swift meeting with the state department. We know for a fact the donations were made and then meetings shortly after, yet many on the left dismiss this as conspiracy theory...while at the same time accusing trump of collusion, without there being a body to present for the murder. You need to be consistent.
     
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    Sorry, but that is pure rubbish. I happen to KNOW that he does and could prove it in a court of law. Can you? You should be reminded of the old adage: To not know a man's purpose does not make HIM confused!
     
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