If you're going to demand the abolishment of government, you better be ready to accept the downside

[The Great Goose]

what a dumb op.

You know he's right.

yeah i know

 

[DarkFury]

I guess all the liberals are able to do now is make up imaginary "crises", and then say silly things that are supposed to "save" us. All centered around big government, high taxes, and liberal control of more and more of our lives.

One common thing that keeps coming up is that people that have lots of money will have a lot more freedom and say within this society. You as a back water hick better just stay in those woods because this will be a fiefdom! haha

See?

Mutt kind of missed the FACT that China IS big government.

 

[westwall]

what a dumb op.

You know he's right.

About what? You clowns have no clue of what you are speaking. Especially YOU. No one on the right wants government to be abolished. What they do want is for it to be reigned in and placed under the control of the PEOPLE. Not elitist corporate pricks who corrupt the political process and then blame repubs for that which they are doing.

 

[Billy000]

what a dumb op.

You know he's right.

About what? You clowns have no clue of what you are speaking. Especially YOU. No one on the right wants government to be abolished. What they do want is for it to be reigned in and placed under the control of the PEOPLE. Not elitist corporate pricks who corrupt the political process and then blame repubs for that which they are doing.

You realize of course that corporate corruption of our government is a two way street right? Of course we should put blame on repubs. Democrats too.

 

[Skull Pilot]

If you're going to demand the abolishment of government, you better be ready to accept the downside of doing so.
What are the downsides?
1. Our Leadership in science and r&D, think about the reality that 40% of all r&d funding and now think gone. Think about entire institutions of science that put this nation on the map for being advance and forward thinking being abolished! For what? Because some red neck thinks it is against god of course and wishes to live on a homestead out in the countryside! Trillions of dollars of economic wealth and technological superiority = gone. How is that helping America? I say it would hurt America very badly! Hell, the effects of such will make the hick much poorer and take away most of his upwards mobility.

2. The poor will have to do as they did 100 years ago before public education guaranteed them 12 years of education. Pretty much, either you have the cash or you don't. If you don't, well, you don't get it.

3. Accept that our food standards, air quality and water quality will be in the hands of the private sector. Look at China, India, or Africa to understand that other humans never give a damn such things. Be ready to drink shitty water, eat poisoness food and get lung cancer from dirty air,. No the consumer doesn't have much say in a unregulated market place and never has. Let alone the worker(read about some history!)..Government is our voice.

4. Oh'how about that twister, hurricane, or that flash flood? Oh'shittty, too bad I guess you're going to have to pay many thousands per month to enjoy a inferior product from the private sector. Remember the government maintains the radars, satellites, observations, computer models and the meteorologist to warn you of such things. The current private sector that is out their simply rips off the government while using the satellites, computer models and observations...In reality, you better be rich if you're going to be anti-government! hahaha

5. How about my wonderful highway I love to drive my red pickup truck on? Well, since you're anti-government and most highways, freeways and roads in this country are 50% funded by the federal government and most of the rest founded by gas taxes and/or local governments...Well, you're pretty much fucked as a poor person! As a anti-government liberterian you better be ready to pay tolls or maybe just maybe the private sector will grant you a lenience. Oh'yessss, only people that have MONEY will be able to drive on the roads!!!! Consider this for a second,,,it cost a million bucks to pave 1 mile of road. Do you really believe that most poor people will be able to pay such to be able to hit the road? hahaha. Can you imagine the economic damage that will be caused when the little guy can't drive to his small business because he isn't making enough profit to pay for this lienence? Heck, consider the reality that most poor people won't be able to get to this small shop outside of walking distance if they don't have this kind of cash. And yes it will cost up the ass as their will quickly be a monopoly that can set the price. damn. So 10st of millions of people won't be able to drive. Can you imagine the damage to our economy? We'd likely become a third world country for this alone.

6. workers rights? Safety regs and wages...Well, think about the abusive labor standards in vietnam or of even the Uk in the 17th and 18th century. There's a reason we have them. Imagine now safety regs,,,but hell, I guess if you're going to work for the guy taking all the profit you better be ready to take the risk and live in shitty conditions. No government official will be there for you! And did I say wages? Trump did say wages are too HIGH! If we want to compete with Vietnam the poor bastards better be ready to work like em.


I could go on and on, but the 21st century dream of the economic libertarian is truly shocking and ugly. We certainly wouldn't be a top 50 nation for quality of life or much else for that matter.

Who is pushing for the abolishing of government

Oh yeah no one

 

[whitehall]

It seems to me that the last political guru to "demand the abolishment of government" was Barry Hussein's political mentor, professor Bill Ayers. Ayers even practiced what he preached by bombing corporations, recruitment centers and the freaking Pentagon. The left's favorite singer, John Lennon, crooned "imagine there's no country" and the idiotic pop-culture left was mesmerized. The current secretary of state dabbled in anarchy during the Vietnam war when he organized the left wing "winter soldiers project" along with fellow traveler Jane Fonda.

 

[Fang]

I've heard people say less regulation and smaller government, but I've never hear anyone say abolish government.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I've hear people say less regulation and smaller government, but I've never hear anyone say abolish government.

Well to mindless partisan sheep smaller government means no government

Just like a smaller increase in spending than was planned is a cut

 

[buckeye45_73]

If you're going to demand the abolishment of government, you better be ready to accept the downside of doing so.
What are the downsides?
1. Our Leadership in science and r&D, think about the reality that 40% of all r&d funding and now think gone. Think about entire institutions of science that put this nation on the map for being advance and forward thinking being abolished! For what? Because some red neck thinks it is against god of course and wishes to live on a homestead out in the countryside! Trillions of dollars of economic wealth and technological superiority = gone. How is that helping America? I say it would hurt America very badly! Hell, the effects of such will make the hick much poorer and take away most of his upwards mobility.

2. The poor will have to do as they did 100 years ago before public education guaranteed them 12 years of education. Pretty much, either you have the cash or you don't. If you don't, well, you don't get it.

3. Accept that our food standards, air quality and water quality will be in the hands of the private sector. Look at China, India, or Africa to understand that other humans never give a damn such things. Be ready to drink shitty water, eat poisoness food and get lung cancer from dirty air,. No the consumer doesn't have much say in a unregulated market place and never has. Let alone the worker(read about some history!)..Government is our voice.

4. Oh'how about that twister, hurricane, or that flash flood? Oh'shittty, too bad I guess you're going to have to pay many thousands per month to enjoy a inferior product from the private sector. Remember the government maintains the radars, satellites, observations, computer models and the meteorologist to warn you of such things. The current private sector that is out their simply rips off the government while using the satellites, computer models and observations...In reality, you better be rich if you're going to be anti-government! hahaha

5. How about my wonderful highway I love to drive my red pickup truck on? Well, since you're anti-government and most highways, freeways and roads in this country are 50% funded by the federal government and most of the rest founded by gas taxes and/or local governments...Well, you're pretty much fucked as a poor person! As a anti-government liberterian you better be ready to pay tolls or maybe just maybe the private sector will grant you a lenience. Oh'yessss, only people that have MONEY will be able to drive on the roads!!!! Consider this for a second,,,it cost a million bucks to pave 1 mile of road. Do you really believe that most poor people will be able to pay such to be able to hit the road? hahaha. Can you imagine the economic damage that will be caused when the little guy can't drive to his small business because he isn't making enough profit to pay for this lienence? Heck, consider the reality that most poor people won't be able to get to this small shop outside of walking distance if they don't have this kind of cash. And yes it will cost up the ass as their will quickly be a monopoly that can set the price. damn. So 10st of millions of people won't be able to drive. Can you imagine the damage to our economy? We'd likely become a third world country for this alone.

6. workers rights? Safety regs and wages...Well, think about the abusive labor standards in vietnam or of even the Uk in the 17th and 18th century. There's a reason we have them. Imagine now safety regs,,,but hell, I guess if you're going to work for the guy taking all the profit you better be ready to take the risk and live in shitty conditions. No government official will be there for you! And did I say wages? Trump did say wages are too HIGH! If we want to compete with Vietnam the poor bastards better be ready to work like em.


I could go on and on, but the 21st century dream of the economic libertarian is truly shocking and ugly. We certainly wouldn't be a top 50 nation for quality of life or much else for that matter.

Are you just retarded?

Who advocated any of this?

 

[Kosh]

what a dumb op.

You know he's right.

Another far left drone agreeing with another far left drone, go figure that far left religious dogma TRUMPS reality!

 

[Fang]

I'm seeing a lot of threads from Liberals since Trump's acceptance speech that are just absolute lies. Did he rattle the Left that much?

 

[Dana7360]

If you're going to demand the abolishment of government, you better be ready to accept the downside of doing so.
What are the downsides?
1. Our Leadership in science and r&D, think about the reality that 40% of all r&d funding and now think gone. Think about entire institutions of science that put this nation on the map for being advance and forward thinking being abolished! For what? Because some red neck thinks it is against god of course and wishes to live on a homestead out in the countryside! Trillions of dollars of economic wealth and technological superiority = gone. How is that helping America? I say it would hurt America very badly! Hell, the effects of such will make the hick much poorer and take away most of his upwards mobility.

2. The poor will have to do as they did 100 years ago before public education guaranteed them 12 years of education. Pretty much, either you have the cash or you don't. If you don't, well, you don't get it.

3. Accept that our food standards, air quality and water quality will be in the hands of the private sector. Look at China, India, or Africa to understand that other humans never give a damn such things. Be ready to drink shitty water, eat poisoness food and get lung cancer from dirty air,. No the consumer doesn't have much say in a unregulated market place and never has. Let alone the worker(read about some history!)..Government is our voice.

4. Oh'how about that twister, hurricane, or that flash flood? Oh'shittty, too bad I guess you're going to have to pay many thousands per month to enjoy a inferior product from the private sector. Remember the government maintains the radars, satellites, observations, computer models and the meteorologist to warn you of such things. The current private sector that is out their simply rips off the government while using the satellites, computer models and observations...In reality, you better be rich if you're going to be anti-government! hahaha

5. How about my wonderful highway I love to drive my red pickup truck on? Well, since you're anti-government and most highways, freeways and roads in this country are 50% funded by the federal government and most of the rest founded by gas taxes and/or local governments...Well, you're pretty much fucked as a poor person! As a anti-government liberterian you better be ready to pay tolls or maybe just maybe the private sector will grant you a lenience. Oh'yessss, only people that have MONEY will be able to drive on the roads!!!! Consider this for a second,,,it cost a million bucks to pave 1 mile of road. Do you really believe that most poor people will be able to pay such to be able to hit the road? hahaha. Can you imagine the economic damage that will be caused when the little guy can't drive to his small business because he isn't making enough profit to pay for this lienence? Heck, consider the reality that most poor people won't be able to get to this small shop outside of walking distance if they don't have this kind of cash. And yes it will cost up the ass as their will quickly be a monopoly that can set the price. damn. So 10st of millions of people won't be able to drive. Can you imagine the damage to our economy? We'd likely become a third world country for this alone.

6. workers rights? Safety regs and wages...Well, think about the abusive labor standards in vietnam or of even the Uk in the 17th and 18th century. There's a reason we have them. Imagine now safety regs,,,but hell, I guess if you're going to work for the guy taking all the profit you better be ready to take the risk and live in shitty conditions. No government official will be there for you! And did I say wages? Trump did say wages are too HIGH! If we want to compete with Vietnam the poor bastards better be ready to work like em.


I could go on and on, but the 21st century dream of the economic libertarian is truly shocking and ugly. We certainly wouldn't be a top 50 nation for quality of life or much else for that matter.

The author of this isn't known but it's dead on to what you're posting about.


A day in the life of a conservative

A Day in the Life of Joe Conservative
by Anonymous



Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.



All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance -- now Joe gets it, too.

He prepares his morning breakfast: bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment checks because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the taxpayer funded roads.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans.

The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved conservatives have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."

This one was written by Thom Hartman

A Day in the Life of a True Conservative

By Thom Hartmann

Joe Conservative wakes up in the morning and goes to the bathroom. He flushes his toilet and brushes his teeth, mindful that each flush & brush costs him about 43 cents to his privatized water provider. His wacky, liberal neighbor keeps badgering the company to disclose how clean and safe their water is, but no one ever finds out. Just to be safe, Joe Conservative boils his drinking water.

Joe steps outside and coughs–the pollution is especially bad today, but the smokiest cars are the cheapest ones, so everyone buys ‘em. Joe Conservative checks to make sure he has enough toll money for the 3 different private roads he must drive to work. There is no public transportation, so traffic is backed up and his 10 mile commute takes an hour.



On the way, he drops his 12 year old daughter off at the clothing factory she works at. Paying for kids to go to private school until they’re 18 is a luxury, and Joe needs the extra income coming in. Times are hard and there’re no social safety nets.

He gets to work 5 minutes late and misses the call for Christian prayer, and is immediately docked by his employer. He is not feeling well today, but has no health insurance, since neither his employer nor his government provide it, and paying for it himself is really expensive, since he has a precondition. He just hopes for the best.

Joe’s workday is 12 hours long, because there is no regulation over working hours, and Joe will lose his job if he complains or unionizes. Today is an especially bad day. Joe’s manager demands that he work until midnight, a 16 hour day. Joe does, knowing that he’ll lose his job if he does not.

Finally, after midnight, Joe gets to pick up his daughter and go home. His daughter shows him the deep cut she got on the industrial sewing machine today. Joe is outraged and asks why she doesn’t have metal mesh gloves or other protection. She says the company will not provide it and she’ll have to pay for it out of her own pocket. Joe looks at the wound and decides they’ll use an over the counter disinfectant and bandages until it heals. She’ll have a scar, but getting stitches at the emergency room is expensive.

His daughter also complains that the manager made suggestive overtures towards her. Joe counsels her to be a “good girl” and not rock the boat, or she’ll get fired and they’ll be out the income.

His daughter says she can’t wait until she’s 18 so she can vote for change or go to the Iraq War.

They get home and there’s a message from his elderly father who can’t afford to pay his medical or heating bills. Joe can hear him coughing and shivering.

Joe turns on the radio and the top story is a proposal in Congress to raise the voting age to 25. A rare liberal opinionator states that it’s an attempt to keep power out of the hands of working class Americans. The conservative host immediately quashes him, calling him “a utopian idealist,” and agreeing that people aren’t mature enough to make good choices until they’re at least 25.

Joe chuckles at the wine-swilling, cheese eating liberal egghead and thinks, “Thank God I live in America where I have freedom!”

 

[ScienceRocks]

I'm seeing a lot of threads from Liberals since Trump's acceptance speech that are just absolute lies. Did he rattle the Left that much?

What's the lie? You do want to pay very little taxes that would cause us to have shitty roads, kill off most of government and take away the safetynet? Right?