If you oppose the Confederate flag you oppose the American flag too

[ogibillm]

Let's face it. Southerners fought against Northern aggression and for their freedom. They were patriotic Americans sick of seeing their country going the wrong way. That's why people typically fly the Stars and Bars.
But we got over that and healed and the descendents of those Confederates went on to serve the American army and win our wars.
But those who want to censor, who want to denigrate the struggle of our Southern ancestors, who want to demonize others for holding opinions contrary to theirs are no better than jihhadis and communists, who want to ban anything contrary to their religion. They are the hater dupes of the public world.

you're ability to paint a war started to guarantee slavery as something noble is sickening.

Lincoln started the war, moron, and it wasn't to free the slaves.

lincoln didn't start a war. secession started the war.

Nope. Lincoln started it. No one forced Lincoln to invade Virginia, moron.

Obscene child was prolly in time out when 6th grade history covered this. LOL

Why is everyone playing the lefts game of mass distraction. Let's stop replying to these dumb ass flag threads and force them back on their fucked up candidates and policies. Post threads on those topics and push their distraction threads off the first page.

rabbi is a commie?
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Here's a guy who realizes that republicans on the wrong side of this topic.

Really, how many threads have been created on this topic? Why do you fucking commies feel it necessary to spam the hell out of the politics board to discuss one topic that regards a state you don't even live in and has nothing to do with you.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Will you RWers be forcing Walmart and Amazon to keep selling Confederate flag gear?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why is everyone playing the lefts game of mass distraction. Let's stop replying to these dumb ass flag threads and force them back on their fucked up candidates and policies. Post threads on those topics and push their distraction threads off the first page.

View attachment 43022

Here's a guy who realizes that republicans on the wrong side of this topic.

Really, how many threads have been created on this topic? Why do you fucking commies feel it necessary to spam the hell out of the politics board to discuss one topic that regards a state you don't even live in and has nothing to do with you.

Benghazi!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[OKTexas]

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And you thinking you can judge people that lived in a different time by todays standards is equally sickening.

You mean all those people who equate Southern Democrats of the 1950's with Democrats today?

lol

Yeah we all know Republicans were really Democrats from the 1950s. All of them. Even the ones in their 40s.
Yes,you are, dum-dum.

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

And you thinking you can judge people that lived in a different time by todays standards is equally sickening.

so you're a moral relativist now?
those people chose to take up arms against their nation in defense of slavery. that does not make them patriots as the op would like us to believe. it makes them traitors.

Hey dumb ass, slavery was legal when the war started and there were no official moves to outlaw it at the time. In fact Lincoln said he was willing to continue to allow it if the south rejoined the union. Economics and an overbearing federal government started the war, slavery was a side issue at the time. Maybe you should learn real history instead of the leftist revisionist bullshit you seem to be buying into.

slavery and its protection were central to south carolina's declaration of secession, and secession started the war, since there would have been no shots fired without it and the subsequent theft of fort sumpter. it absolutely was not a 'side issue' and anyone claiming it was is trying to rewrite history.

What did you not get that slavery was LEGAL.

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

 

[NYcarbineer]

you're ability to paint a war started to guarantee slavery as something noble is sickening.

Lincoln started the war, moron, and it wasn't to free the slaves.

lincoln didn't start a war. secession started the war.

Nope. Lincoln started it. No one forced Lincoln to invade Virginia, moron.

virginia forced it by seceding.

Wrong. Nothing in the Constitution says the president has to wage war on a state that secedes. In fact, it says precisely the opposite. Waging war on the states was an act of treason.

The president is obligated to defend the country against all enemies foreign and domestic.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[

And you thinking you can judge people that lived in a different time by todays standards is equally sickening.

You mean all those people who equate Southern Democrats of the 1950's with Democrats today?

lol

Yeah we all know Republicans were really Democrats from the 1950s. All of them. Even the ones in their 40s.
Yes,you are, dum-dum.

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

so you're a moral relativist now?
those people chose to take up arms against their nation in defense of slavery. that does not make them patriots as the op would like us to believe. it makes them traitors.

Hey dumb ass, slavery was legal when the war started and there were no official moves to outlaw it at the time. In fact Lincoln said he was willing to continue to allow it if the south rejoined the union. Economics and an overbearing federal government started the war, slavery was a side issue at the time. Maybe you should learn real history instead of the leftist revisionist bullshit you seem to be buying into.

slavery and its protection were central to south carolina's declaration of secession, and secession started the war, since there would have been no shots fired without it and the subsequent theft of fort sumpter. it absolutely was not a 'side issue' and anyone claiming it was is trying to rewrite history.

What did you not get that slavery was LEGAL.

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

Lincoln had a constitutional mandate to do so.

 

[ogibillm]

[

And you thinking you can judge people that lived in a different time by todays standards is equally sickening.

You mean all those people who equate Southern Democrats of the 1950's with Democrats today?

lol

Yeah we all know Republicans were really Democrats from the 1950s. All of them. Even the ones in their 40s.
Yes,you are, dum-dum.

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

so you're a moral relativist now?
those people chose to take up arms against their nation in defense of slavery. that does not make them patriots as the op would like us to believe. it makes them traitors.

Hey dumb ass, slavery was legal when the war started and there were no official moves to outlaw it at the time. In fact Lincoln said he was willing to continue to allow it if the south rejoined the union. Economics and an overbearing federal government started the war, slavery was a side issue at the time. Maybe you should learn real history instead of the leftist revisionist bullshit you seem to be buying into.

slavery and its protection were central to south carolina's declaration of secession, and secession started the war, since there would have been no shots fired without it and the subsequent theft of fort sumpter. it absolutely was not a 'side issue' and anyone claiming it was is trying to rewrite history.

What did you not get that slavery was LEGAL.

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

on the contrary. adherence to the constitution is american. making sure the seceding states adhered to the government they agreed upon is also american.

 

[westwall]

Let's face it. Southerners fought against Northern aggression and for their freedom. They were patriotic Americans sick of seeing their country going the wrong way. That's why people typically fly the Stars and Bars.
But we got over that and healed and the descendents of those Confederates went on to serve the American army and win our wars.
But those who want to censor, who want to denigrate the struggle of our Southern ancestors, who want to demonize others for holding opinions contrary to theirs are no better than jihhadis and communists, who want to ban anything contrary to their religion. They are the hater dupes of the public world.

No, the States rights issue is an important part of the conversation, of that there is no doubt, but the Stars and Bars became a symbol of oppression and has been co-opted by the racists and nincompoops. The same thing happened to the Swastika. It is an ancient symbol used by American Indians (there was even a US Infantry Division that used the Swastika as it's shoulder patch prior to our entry into WWII, and you will also see it used as a good luck symbol on American pictures pre WWII) and Buddhists, it is well over 2,000 years old but after the NAZI's co-opted it, you no longer see it used.

The same is true of the Confederate flag. It is a national symbol. A symbol of hate now.

 

[OKTexas]

[

And you thinking you can judge people that lived in a different time by todays standards is equally sickening.

You mean all those people who equate Southern Democrats of the 1950's with Democrats today?

lol

Yeah we all know Republicans were really Democrats from the 1950s. All of them. Even the ones in their 40s.
Yes,you are, dum-dum.

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

Hey dumb ass, slavery was legal when the war started and there were no official moves to outlaw it at the time. In fact Lincoln said he was willing to continue to allow it if the south rejoined the union. Economics and an overbearing federal government started the war, slavery was a side issue at the time. Maybe you should learn real history instead of the leftist revisionist bullshit you seem to be buying into.

slavery and its protection were central to south carolina's declaration of secession, and secession started the war, since there would have been no shots fired without it and the subsequent theft of fort sumpter. it absolutely was not a 'side issue' and anyone claiming it was is trying to rewrite history.

What did you not get that slavery was LEGAL.

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

Lincoln had a constitutional mandate to do so.

Feel free to point where in the Constitution where secession is prohibited.

 

[ogibillm]

You mean all those people who equate Southern Democrats of the 1950's with Democrats today?

lol

Yeah we all know Republicans were really Democrats from the 1950s. All of them. Even the ones in their 40s.
Yes,you are, dum-dum.

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

slavery and its protection were central to south carolina's declaration of secession, and secession started the war, since there would have been no shots fired without it and the subsequent theft of fort sumpter. it absolutely was not a 'side issue' and anyone claiming it was is trying to rewrite history.

What did you not get that slavery was LEGAL.

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

Lincoln had a constitutional mandate to do so.

Feel free to point where in the Constitution where succession is prohibited.

article 1, section 9, clause 8

 

[candycorn]

[

And you thinking you can judge people that lived in a different time by todays standards is equally sickening.

You mean all those people who equate Southern Democrats of the 1950's with Democrats today?

lol

Yeah we all know Republicans were really Democrats from the 1950s. All of them. Even the ones in their 40s.
Yes,you are, dum-dum.

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

so you're a moral relativist now?
those people chose to take up arms against their nation in defense of slavery. that does not make them patriots as the op would like us to believe. it makes them traitors.

Hey dumb ass, slavery was legal when the war started and there were no official moves to outlaw it at the time. In fact Lincoln said he was willing to continue to allow it if the south rejoined the union. Economics and an overbearing federal government started the war, slavery was a side issue at the time. Maybe you should learn real history instead of the leftist revisionist bullshit you seem to be buying into.

slavery and its protection were central to south carolina's declaration of secession, and secession started the war, since there would have been no shots fired without it and the subsequent theft of fort sumpter. it absolutely was not a 'side issue' and anyone claiming it was is trying to rewrite history.

What did you not get that slavery was LEGAL.

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

So, you're arguing that those who wanted nothing to do with America were the ones acting like Americans....

Put down the crack pipe.

 

[OKTexas]

[

And you thinking you can judge people that lived in a different time by todays standards is equally sickening.

You mean all those people who equate Southern Democrats of the 1950's with Democrats today?

lol

Yeah we all know Republicans were really Democrats from the 1950s. All of them. Even the ones in their 40s.
Yes,you are, dum-dum.

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

Hey dumb ass, slavery was legal when the war started and there were no official moves to outlaw it at the time. In fact Lincoln said he was willing to continue to allow it if the south rejoined the union. Economics and an overbearing federal government started the war, slavery was a side issue at the time. Maybe you should learn real history instead of the leftist revisionist bullshit you seem to be buying into.

slavery and its protection were central to south carolina's declaration of secession, and secession started the war, since there would have been no shots fired without it and the subsequent theft of fort sumpter. it absolutely was not a 'side issue' and anyone claiming it was is trying to rewrite history.

What did you not get that slavery was LEGAL.

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

on the contrary. adherence to the constitution is american. making sure the seceding states adhered to the government they agreed upon is also american.

Right up to the point that government became something that wasn't agreed upon.

 

[ogibillm]

You mean all those people who equate Southern Democrats of the 1950's with Democrats today?

lol

Yeah we all know Republicans were really Democrats from the 1950s. All of them. Even the ones in their 40s.
Yes,you are, dum-dum.

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

slavery and its protection were central to south carolina's declaration of secession, and secession started the war, since there would have been no shots fired without it and the subsequent theft of fort sumpter. it absolutely was not a 'side issue' and anyone claiming it was is trying to rewrite history.

What did you not get that slavery was LEGAL.

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

on the contrary. adherence to the constitution is american. making sure the seceding states adhered to the government they agreed upon is also american.

Right up to the point that government became something that wasn't agreed upon.

and since that didn't happen...

 

[OKTexas]

Yeah we all know Republicans were really Democrats from the 1950s. All of them. Even the ones in their 40s.
Yes,you are, dum-dum.

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

What did you not get that slavery was LEGAL.

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

Lincoln had a constitutional mandate to do so.

Feel free to point where in the Constitution where succession is prohibited.

article 1, section 9, clause 8

Really?

Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.

Article 1 Section 9 Clause 8

 

[ogibillm]

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

Lincoln had a constitutional mandate to do so.

Feel free to point where in the Constitution where succession is prohibited.

article 1, section 9, clause 8

Really?

Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.

Article 1 Section 9 Clause 8

right. you asked about succession.

 

[OKTexas]

[

And you thinking you can judge people that lived in a different time by todays standards is equally sickening.

You mean all those people who equate Southern Democrats of the 1950's with Democrats today?

lol

Yeah we all know Republicans were really Democrats from the 1950s. All of them. Even the ones in their 40s.
Yes,you are, dum-dum.

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

Hey dumb ass, slavery was legal when the war started and there were no official moves to outlaw it at the time. In fact Lincoln said he was willing to continue to allow it if the south rejoined the union. Economics and an overbearing federal government started the war, slavery was a side issue at the time. Maybe you should learn real history instead of the leftist revisionist bullshit you seem to be buying into.

slavery and its protection were central to south carolina's declaration of secession, and secession started the war, since there would have been no shots fired without it and the subsequent theft of fort sumpter. it absolutely was not a 'side issue' and anyone claiming it was is trying to rewrite history.

What did you not get that slavery was LEGAL.

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

So, you're arguing that those who wanted nothing to do with America were the ones acting like Americans....

Put down the crack pipe.

More so than Lincoln. Have you ever read the declaration of independence?

 

[OKTexas]

Yeah we all know Republicans were really Democrats from the 1950s. All of them. Even the ones in their 40s.
Yes,you are, dum-dum.

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

What did you not get that slavery was LEGAL.

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

on the contrary. adherence to the constitution is american. making sure the seceding states adhered to the government they agreed upon is also american.

Right up to the point that government became something that wasn't agreed upon.

and since that didn't happen...

The south disagreed.

 

[ogibillm]

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

on the contrary. adherence to the constitution is american. making sure the seceding states adhered to the government they agreed upon is also american.

Right up to the point that government became something that wasn't agreed upon.

and since that didn't happen...

The south disagreed.

yep. they were worried about their rights to have slaves.

 

[Boss]

Does not matter. The liberal left have sunk their teeth into this because they believe it can be exploited for political gain and nothing is going to stop them from using it to their advantage. Candycorn is already posting threads about how Nikki Haley's career is over... she has "slit her own throat" by coming out AGAINST the flag! See how that works? If you stand up for the flag, you're a racist... if you don't, you're a political coward who is doomed. You cannot win with a liberal on this issue.

You can't win because you guys are "all or nothing" on almost every topic.

They can only view the Confederate flag as a symbol of racist hate.

Because it is.

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The biggest problem I have with the "take it down" movement is... where does this all end? Are we supposed to expunge history of all things offensive now? Seems to me that is recipe for devout ignorance. We can shove our history in the closet and pretend it doesn't exist but what purpose does this ultimately serve? How do we learn anything from that? Why not, instead of becoming "offended" at the sight of the flag, take that opportunity to explain why we should be tolerant of it and respect it for what it stood for at the time? (which wasn't racism.)

Nobody is doing that. Ending State sponsorship of symbols of hate? Sure.

The Confederate battle flag was not a symbol of hate until the KKK and racist hate groups adopted it as such. The CSA wasn't who advocated the institution of slavery for 85 years before the Civil War, nor were CSA courts responsible for upholding it and ruling slaves were property. The CSA wasn't responsible for Jim Crow or 100 years of segregation following the war they lost. The CSA didn't stand in the schoolhouse door... that was a life-long Democrat.

YOU.... Express nothing BUT hatred and vitriol toward the right... constantly, every day! Maybe YOU should be banned and shoved in the closet for your offensiveness and hate?

 

[bripat9643]

Let's face it. Southerners fought against Northern aggression and for their freedom. They were patriotic Americans sick of seeing their country going the wrong way. That's why people typically fly the Stars and Bars.
But we got over that and healed and the descendents of those Confederates went on to serve the American army and win our wars.
But those who want to censor, who want to denigrate the struggle of our Southern ancestors, who want to demonize others for holding opinions contrary to theirs are no better than jihhadis and communists, who want to ban anything contrary to their religion. They are the hater dupes of the public world.

you're ability to paint a war started to guarantee slavery as something noble is sickening.

Lincoln started the war, moron, and it wasn't to free the slaves.

lincoln didn't start a war. secession started the war.

Nope. Lincoln started it. No one forced Lincoln to invade Virginia, moron.

No one forced Lee to invade Pennsylvania.

The federal government had already been waging war on the Confederate states for 2 1/2 years by that point. That's like saying no one forced Roosevelt to invade Germany.

Stupid.