If you knew an assault weapons ban would save one child's life...

[nodoginnafight]

also agree that if eveyone were armed and trained in the use of handguns crime would take a nosedive. No one want to rob or murder you if they know you have a gun and are trained to use it. Makes then think and rethink their course of action.

Kaplan's Law of the Hammer suggests exactly the opposite. But I'm sure you have studied the issue much more extensively.

 

[g5000]

If you knew an assault weapons ban would save one child's life, would you support it. A simple question demanding a simple answer.

Simplistic questions don't really apply to reality. Reality is not simple. So we can mentally masturbate each other for days and days over a question that has no connection to the real world.

There are times when this can serve a useful purpose and actually achieve a result, but this is not one of those times.

There are many totalitarian systems which can save lives and keep the trains running on time...for a while.

But they ultimately come with a much heavier cost. And that cost is the loss of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

The morals which inspired the desire to control other people leads to a power which corrupts and twists those morals into a monster.

A safety net morphs into a guaranteed paycheck. Saying people should work longer since they are living longer is viewed as an abhorrent proposition. Up is down, left is right. Two legs good, four legs bad.

Do not succumb to the desire to control large masses of people because one of them upset you. It will be the undoing of your soul.

 

[CMike]

It's a rediculous question. I don't accept the premise.

If you knew having a black rifle would save one child's life would you be against outlawing them?

 

[asaratis]

...unless one somehow gets into the hands of a criminal that wants to kill a child. I am sure the mother of the Sandy Hook shooter thought the same thing before her deranged son killed her and used her guns to blow away innocent children.

Now there you are, thinking I'm in favor of a full ban on firearms. NEVER! I just wanted to point out one flaw in your stated claim that NONE would EVER... What you meant to say was that YOU will NEVER harm a child with your weapons. This too has the possibility of becoming a lie because you may someday go berserk and kill your whole family and go looking for the neighbor's children.

The point is, the guns just don't jump up and go kill children. The killing is done by the twisted person holding it.


We need to ban twisted people....not guns!

Great post A.

Yup. Lets start executing all the mentally ill and any criminal who has used a gun while committing a crime. That oughta work.

Guns don't kill people. PEOPLE kill people. Simple really. You just have to have the brains to understand that little fact.

Banning guns won't mean no other child will ever die. Guns are available on the blackmarket all across this country. Criminals know exactly where and how to get em.

Another kneejerk reaction by idiots.

Simple fuking minded is what that comment is. What easier method will a person use to kill large numbers of people, if they don't have a semi auto rifle with 30 round magazines?
Or hand guns with extended clips?

How many recent mass murders occured with a ball bat? how about a knife? a car? poison? Come on this should be easy. You know, people kill, not guns.

People kill with guns because it is easy. The better the gun is at killing, the more people will die per incident. The better the gun is at killing, the more people want it. Why in the fuk you think the gun nutters are hysterical about losing their precious assault weapons.
They know what they are intended for and somehow think they will be called on to use them against other Americans. You know, the second amendment remedy they talk about.

Use whatever common sense you may have left and figure it out That bull shit that you said above is just that. Bull shit.

Guns kill people and crazy people with guns kill lots of people. Most of whom they never even knew. Random mass killings. And you think its just a price to pay I take it. Bull shit.

Mmmmmm....a bomb! (worked for McVeigh...killed several HUNDRED I think...including an entire daycare center full of children)


Mmmmmmm....poison gas!


Mmmmmmm...dump 8000 gallons of kerosene at the base of a high-rise condo building and set it afire.



Mmmmmm....let me think a bit longer.


Oh!....sink a cruise ship!


Mmmmmm....




You dumb fuck!

 

[Doubletap]

*Obama the despot: A monumental disgrace.

 

[Claudette]

...unless one somehow gets into the hands of a criminal that wants to kill a child. I am sure the mother of the Sandy Hook shooter thought the same thing before her deranged son killed her and used her guns to blow away innocent children.

Now there you are, thinking I'm in favor of a full ban on firearms. NEVER! I just wanted to point out one flaw in your stated claim that NONE would EVER... What you meant to say was that YOU will NEVER harm a child with your weapons. This too has the possibility of becoming a lie because you may someday go berserk and kill your whole family and go looking for the neighbor's children.

The point is, the guns just don't jump up and go kill children. The killing is done by the twisted person holding it.


We need to ban twisted people....not guns!

Great post A.

Yup. Lets start executing all the mentally ill and any criminal who has used a gun while committing a crime. That oughta work.

Guns don't kill people. PEOPLE kill people. Simple really. You just have to have the brains to understand that little fact.

Banning guns won't mean no other child will ever die. Guns are available on the blackmarket all across this country. Criminals know exactly where and how to get em.

Another kneejerk reaction by idiots.

Simple fuking minded is what that comment is. What easier method will a person use to kill large numbers of people, if they don't have a semi auto rifle with 30 round magazines?
Or hand guns with extended clips?

How many recent mass murders occured with a ball bat? how about a knife? a car? poison? Come on this should be easy. You know, people kill, not guns.

People kill with guns because it is easy. The better the gun is at killing, the more people will die per incident. The better the gun is at killing, the more people want it. Why in the fuk you think the gun nutters are hysterical about losing their precious assault weapons.
They know what they are intended for and somehow think they will be called on to use them against other Americans. You know, the second amendment remedy they talk about.

Use whatever common sense you may have left and figure it out That bull shit that you said above is just that. Bull shit.

Guns kill people and crazy people with guns kill lots of people. Most of whom they never even knew. Random mass killings. And you think its just a price to pay I take it. Bull shit.

No numbnuts. Nothing simple minded about it at all.

A gun is an inanimate object. It remains inanimate until someone with a killer mindset loads it and decides to pull the trigger.

We have loads of folks in this country with that mindset. If they couldn't get a gun then you can bet a knife, bat or a rock will do the trick.

You can kill loads of folks with either of those. Of course they aren't a gun but the person weilding them has the same killer mindset as the guy with the gun.

Guns DON'T KILL PEOPLE. PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

 

[zeke]

Simple fuking minded is what that comment is. What easier method will a person use to kill large numbers of people, if they don't have a semi auto rifle with 30 round magazines?
Or hand guns with extended clips?

Sorry to interrupt your unthinking, reactionary rant.

Fact of the matter is that neither of these weapons will kill anyone unless a person chooses to use them in such a manner.
You can try to deny that fact, but you will fail to do so soundly - every time.

"People sometimes use guns to kill people" does not mean the same thing as "guns kill people".
You can try to deny THAT fact, but you will fail to do so soundly - every time.

You may now continue with your unthinking, reactionary rant.

The only issue I have with that line of reasoning is that nukes don't kill people either. No nuclear weapon is ever gonna decide on its own to detonate.

Common sense says we have to meet somewhere in the middle on this issue. NO ONE wants people private citizens owning nukes, but if our reasoning is "guns don't kill people" then it stands true that nukes don't kill people either.


Those who think that banning assault weapons is going to stop senseless murders are nuts. Nothing will prevent people from senselessly killing other people.

On the other hand those who don't acknowledge that guns are entirely too easy to get in this country are just as crazy. There are a bunch of fucking retards running around out there who have no business owning a gun. Second amendment be damned.

COMMON SENSE?? That went out the window a long time ago.

If the NRA had any common sense, after Sandy Hook, they would have come out advocating things like trigger locks, gun safes, telling people if you have someone in your home mentally unstable, remove your weapons or at least the ammo.

Common sense? When the Sandy Hook killer's mom went to the gun store to buy her and her son a weapon, common sense would have had the gun seller asking why in the hell you need this type of weapon. And selling her a single shot .22.

Common sense? When the theater shooter was ordering thousands of rounds of ammo through the mail, why didn't any one ask wtf for?

No common sense is what we are hoping for. Not what we've had.

 

[Charles_Main]

Anyone else notice that often the loudest gun Opponents, are hard core drug legalization supporters?

Which kills more kids?

 

[Charles_Main]

Sorry to interrupt your unthinking, reactionary rant.

Fact of the matter is that neither of these weapons will kill anyone unless a person chooses to use them in such a manner.
You can try to deny that fact, but you will fail to do so soundly - every time.

"People sometimes use guns to kill people" does not mean the same thing as "guns kill people".
You can try to deny THAT fact, but you will fail to do so soundly - every time.

You may now continue with your unthinking, reactionary rant.

The only issue I have with that line of reasoning is that nukes don't kill people either. No nuclear weapon is ever gonna decide on its own to detonate.

Common sense says we have to meet somewhere in the middle on this issue. NO ONE wants people private citizens owning nukes, but if our reasoning is "guns don't kill people" then it stands true that nukes don't kill people either.


Those who think that banning assault weapons is going to stop senseless murders are nuts. Nothing will prevent people from senselessly killing other people.

On the other hand those who don't acknowledge that guns are entirely too easy to get in this country are just as crazy. There are a bunch of fucking retards running around out there who have no business owning a gun. Second amendment be damned.

COMMON SENSE?? That went out the window a long time ago.

If the NRA had any common sense, after Sandy Hook, they would have come out advocating things like trigger locks, gun safes, telling people if you have someone in your home mentally unstable, remove your weapons or at least the ammo.

Common sense? When the Sandy Hook killer's mom went to the gun store to buy her and her son a weapon, common sense would have had the gun seller asking why in the hell you need this type of weapon. And selling her a single shot .22.

Common sense? When the theater shooter was ordering thousands of rounds of ammo through the mail, why didn't any one ask wtf for?

No common sense is what we are hoping for. Not what we've had.

The NRA reaction to Sandy hook is in response to the Lefts Reactionary attack on gun rights. It is to be expected. The NRA didn't make Millions of people go out and apply for new Permits. That happened because Americans are genuinely concerned that you people will take away their guns.

 

[JustTheFacts]

Great post A.

Yup. Lets start executing all the mentally ill and any criminal who has used a gun while committing a crime. That oughta work.

Guns don't kill people. PEOPLE kill people. Simple really. You just have to have the brains to understand that little fact.

Banning guns won't mean no other child will ever die. Guns are available on the blackmarket all across this country. Criminals know exactly where and how to get em.

Another kneejerk reaction by idiots.

Simple fuking minded is what that comment is. What easier method will a person use to kill large numbers of people, if they don't have a semi auto rifle with 30 round magazines?
Or hand guns with extended clips?

How many recent mass murders occured with a ball bat? how about a knife? a car? poison? Come on this should be easy. You know, people kill, not guns.

People kill with guns because it is easy. The better the gun is at killing, the more people will die per incident. The better the gun is at killing, the more people want it. Why in the fuk you think the gun nutters are hysterical about losing their precious assault weapons.
They know what they are intended for and somehow think they will be called on to use them against other Americans. You know, the second amendment remedy they talk about.

Use whatever common sense you may have left and figure it out That bull shit that you said above is just that. Bull shit.

Guns kill people and crazy people with guns kill lots of people. Most of whom they never even knew. Random mass killings. And you think its just a price to pay I take it. Bull shit.

No numbnuts. Nothing simple minded about it at all.

A gun is an inanimate object. It remains inanimate until someone with a killer mindset loads it and decides to pull the trigger.

We have loads of folks in this country with that mindset. If they couldn't get a gun then you can bet a knife, bat or a rock will do the trick.

You can kill loads of folks with either of those. Of course they aren't a gun but the person weilding them has the same killer mindset as the guy with the gun.

Guns DON'T KILL PEOPLE. PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

Once again we could with this logic extend it to nuclear weapons. An asshole who could kill millions with a nuclear weapon could no doubt run around bashing heads in with a baseball bat until he got himself killed, trying to kill the same millions.

But logic and statistics tell us those assholes who would use such weapons if they could are in our midst, and yet no one is running around trying to bash a million people in the a head with a baseball bat. Why is that? Oh that's right, the nuclear weapon would make it a million times easier to kill a million people than a baseball bat would be, and so wham they don't kill millions.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Anyone else notice that often the loudest gun Opponents, are hard core drug legalization supporters?

Which kills more kids?

They say the war on drugs has failed, only to turn around and claim assault weapon bans have worked and we need more laws like it. These people are mentally retarded and follow professional psychopaths with pride.

 

[PredFan]

OK ALL YOU FUKING GUN NUTS LAY DOWN YOUR WEAPONS. ANd you Crazies. And you criminals. You depressed. You sociopaths. You mentally unstable young men.

That's all you got to do to stop the senseless mass killings and the more mundane everyday killings.

Right m14. Just lay them guns down and presto bingo, no more killing. Cause guns don't kill. Especially when they are just laying there.

How you think that will work out for a safety program m14. Think everyone will just leave those guns alone?

Good god, its almost as simple minded as the other idea of; Guns don't kill. People with guns kill.

You're just not too bright are you?

 

[nodoginnafight]

Anyone else notice that often the loudest gun Opponents, are hard core drug legalization supporters?

Which kills more kids?

guns, why?

 

[nitroz]

Guns are not the problem. People are.

Support regulation.

 

[PredFan]

When have YOU ever been proven correct in a prediction?

As I already showed you in another post, I am ALWAYS correct in my predicitions. Do you need more proof nit wit?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Sorry to interrupt your unthinking, reactionary rant.

Fact of the matter is that neither of these weapons will kill anyone unless a person chooses to use them in such a manner.
You can try to deny that fact, but you will fail to do so soundly - every time.

"People sometimes use guns to kill people" does not mean the same thing as "guns kill people".
You can try to deny THAT fact, but you will fail to do so soundly - every time.

You may now continue with your unthinking, reactionary rant.

The only issue I have with that line of reasoning is that nukes don't kill people either. No nuclear weapon is ever gonna decide on its own to detonate.

Common sense says we have to meet somewhere in the middle on this issue. NO ONE wants people private citizens owning nukes, but if our reasoning is "guns don't kill people" then it stands true that nukes don't kill people either.


Those who think that banning assault weapons is going to stop senseless murders are nuts. Nothing will prevent people from senselessly killing other people.

On the other hand those who don't acknowledge that guns are entirely too easy to get in this country are just as crazy. There are a bunch of fucking retards running around out there who have no business owning a gun. Second amendment be damned.

COMMON SENSE?? That went out the window a long time ago.

If the NRA had any common sense, after Sandy Hook, they would have come out advocating things like trigger locks, gun safes, telling people if you have someone in your home mentally unstable, remove your weapons or at least the ammo.

Common sense? When the Sandy Hook killer's mom went to the gun store to buy her and her son a weapon, common sense would have had the gun seller asking why in the hell you need this type of weapon. And selling her a single shot .22.

Common sense? When the theater shooter was ordering thousands of rounds of ammo through the mail, why didn't any one ask wtf for?

No common sense is what we are hoping for. Not what we've had.

Common sense has escaped you.

Adam's mother was within her rights to buy the weapon of her choice. Using your logic if an obese person goes into McDonalds to buy a double cheeseburger. large fries and a super-sized drink, it would be within the restaraunts rights to say "no" you don't "need" all this. And sell them a salad instead.

Do you have proof the "theater shooter" bought all those rounds at once?

FWIW I buy ammo in bulk, tens of thousands of rounds in all calibers quite frequently.

 

[Ernie S.]

When have YOU ever been proven correct in a prediction?

When have you ever been proven correct? Sane? Rational? Sentient?

 

[nodoginnafight]

When have YOU ever been proven correct in a prediction?

As I already showed you in another post, I am ALWAYS correct in my predicitions. Do you need more proof nit wit?

If you "predicted" that he was talking to you - you fail.

 

[Papawx3]

Great post A.

Yup. Lets start executing all the mentally ill and any criminal who has used a gun while committing a crime. That oughta work.

Guns don't kill people. PEOPLE kill people. Simple really. You just have to have the brains to understand that little fact.

Banning guns won't mean no other child will ever die. Guns are available on the blackmarket all across this country. Criminals know exactly where and how to get em.

Another kneejerk reaction by idiots.

Simple fuking minded is what that comment is. What easier method will a person use to kill large numbers of people, if they don't have a semi auto rifle with 30 round magazines?
Or hand guns with extended clips?

How many recent mass murders occured with a ball bat? how about a knife? a car? poison? Come on this should be easy. You know, people kill, not guns.

People kill with guns because it is easy. The better the gun is at killing, the more people will die per incident. The better the gun is at killing, the more people want it. Why in the fuk you think the gun nutters are hysterical about losing their precious assault weapons.
They know what they are intended for and somehow think they will be called on to use them against other Americans. You know, the second amendment remedy they talk about.

Use whatever common sense you may have left and figure it out That bull shit that you said above is just that. Bull shit.

Guns kill people and crazy people with guns kill lots of people. Most of whom they never even knew. Random mass killings. And you think its just a price to pay I take it. Bull shit.

No numbnuts. Nothing simple minded about it at all.

A gun is an inanimate object. It remains inanimate until someone with a killer mindset loads it and decides to pull the trigger.

We have loads of folks in this country with that mindset. If they couldn't get a gun then you can bet a knife, bat or a rock will do the trick.

You can kill loads of folks with either of those. Of course they aren't a gun but the person weilding them has the same killer mindset as the guy with the gun.

Guns DON'T KILL PEOPLE. PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

I have to agree. I have a SKS with a 30 round magazine and I keep it locked and loaded all the time. On numerous occasions, I've walked unexpectedly into the room where I keep it and it's always in the exact same place where I keep it. Not once during all the years that I've had it has it ever walked itself outside and fired itself at any object or person - ever. I just have to take for granted that it hasn't done so because it's not able to do so on it's own.
Of course maybe it's just me, so let me ask. Has anyone else ever seen a pistol, rifle or shotgun attack someone all by itself?

 

[JustTheFacts]

Simple fuking minded is what that comment is. What easier method will a person use to kill large numbers of people, if they don't have a semi auto rifle with 30 round magazines?
Or hand guns with extended clips?

How many recent mass murders occured with a ball bat? how about a knife? a car? poison? Come on this should be easy. You know, people kill, not guns.

People kill with guns because it is easy. The better the gun is at killing, the more people will die per incident. The better the gun is at killing, the more people want it. Why in the fuk you think the gun nutters are hysterical about losing their precious assault weapons.
They know what they are intended for and somehow think they will be called on to use them against other Americans. You know, the second amendment remedy they talk about.

Use whatever common sense you may have left and figure it out That bull shit that you said above is just that. Bull shit.

Guns kill people and crazy people with guns kill lots of people. Most of whom they never even knew. Random mass killings. And you think its just a price to pay I take it. Bull shit.

No numbnuts. Nothing simple minded about it at all.

A gun is an inanimate object. It remains inanimate until someone with a killer mindset loads it and decides to pull the trigger.

We have loads of folks in this country with that mindset. If they couldn't get a gun then you can bet a knife, bat or a rock will do the trick.

You can kill loads of folks with either of those. Of course they aren't a gun but the person weilding them has the same killer mindset as the guy with the gun.

Guns DON'T KILL PEOPLE. PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

I have to agree. I have a SKS with a 30 round magazine and I keep it locked and loaded all the time. On numerous occasions, I've walked unexpectedly into the room where I keep it and it's always in the exact same place where I keep it. Not once during all the years that I've had it has it ever walked itself outside and fired itself at any object or person - ever. I just have to take for granted that it hasn't done so because it's not able to do so on it's own.
Of course maybe it's just me, so let me ask. Has anyone else ever seen a pistol, rifle or shotgun attack someone all by itself?

So you acknowledge that you yourself are an irresponsible gun owner?