If someone doens't want a union job they should....

[LoneLaugher]

Happy mediums are not frowned upon. They are only achieved, however, when everyone involved has bargaining chips.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

What's "free market" about forcing people to pay for services they don't want?

No one is. If you don't want a union job don't apply for one. No one forces anyone to take a job at a union shop.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

If someone doens't want a union job they should....

you left out quite a few choices.

alright.... how about this.

business A hires a person B. Person B is very happy with the new job... but is also informed its a "union shop" and if he wants to work...he has to join the union and pay dues?


Why?

the business hired him. Person B wants to work for them..... Why should the unions be allowed to force him to join and pay dues.... or not let him work.

They aren't forcing him to pay dues because he's free to take another job. If union membership is required its because the business and the union freely entered into a contract stating thus.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

If someone doesn't want a union job they should.... not be forced to pay tribute to a union as a condition of employment.

So... take responsibility and seek employment elsewhere - or get the state to force businesses to provide jobs tailored to their liking?

why elsewhere?

the the business hires him... not the union.

The business also signed a contract with a union agreeing to a union shop.

If non-union jobs are the better jobs, what's the problem?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

If someone doesn't want a union job they should....be hired as a non-union employee and get a bonus for not engaging in extortion against the company that's giving them a job.

No one has extorted anyone. A company is free to not sign a contract with a union. Just as you are free to not seek employment at a union shop. Stop your whining, take personal responsibility, and find the job you want instead of expecting the nanny state to stipulate what kinds of contracts unions and businesses can agree to.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

you are free to seek employment elsewhere.. and the employer should be free to kick out a union to keep positions open for on-union employees, if the union tries to stiff arm employees into joining the union

An employer should be free to violate his contract with labor?

What about his contracts with creditors?

Customers?

Can he violate those to with no penalty?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

If someone doesn't want a union job they should.... not be forced to pay tribute to a union as a condition of employment.

So... take responsibility and seek employment elsewhere - or get the state to force businesses to provide jobs tailored to their liking?

why elsewhere?

the the business hires him... not the union.

In a union shop its the union that has negotiated your wages. If you don't think those wages are high enough to justify paying union dues - get yourself a job elsewhere. The idea that you should be able to swoop in and capitalize on the wage negotiations that someone else made for free is an example of LACKING PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Seriously folks - either one of two things are true:

1) Union jobs are better.
2) Union jobs are worse.


If 2) is true then you should have no problem with union shops, as why would you want a job there anyway? Just go to a non-union shop and get your better job. If those are the better jobs then the more talented workforce will be attracted to them and those businesses will perform better and you'll be working at a successful company with quality workers.

If 1) is true then its apparent you expect you should be able to get a job that was made better by the union for FREE.

Which is it?

 

[Avatar4321]

If someone doesn't want a union job they should.... not be forced to pay tribute to a union as a condition of employment.

So... take responsibility and seek employment elsewhere - or get the state to force businesses to provide jobs tailored to their liking?

I know thinking outside your false dichotemy is difficult for you. You've painted yourself a black and white world that simply doesn't exist. The idea that you think people should be forced to join a union as a condition of employment is absurd. It's disgusting that you think you have the right to tell people they have to belong to a group that doesn't represent them and force them to pay those groups money to have them spend it against their best interests just tells us how big a robber you are.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

The idea that you think people should be forced to join a union as a condition of employment is absurd.

Try reading these English words:

No one is forced to join a union. If you don't want a union job, you're free to not take one.

Now do you understand those English words?

It's disgusting that you think you have the right to tell people they have to belong to a group that doesn't represent them and force them to pay those groups money to have them spend it against their best interests just tells us how big a robber you are.

Last time I checked, I'm not a union or a business with a union-shop agreement, so no, I don't have that right. What's disgusting is that you think you have the right to tell business and labor what kinds of deals they can make because you think you know better than they do.

What's so hard to understand? If you don't think the wages a union has negotiated at a union-shop are worth the dues, then seek employment elsewhere.

 

[asaratis]

If someone doens't want a union job they should....

Oh, you poor, poor liberal loser! Sorry about your losing the vote on forced unionism. It almost seems unfair doesn't it?

I mean after all, once a union mob gets established, it should be able to squeeze dues out of every single worker in the area and contribute that money to the political candidates of the UNION BOSS'S choice. Legalized extortion should never be taken away from a union state.

My goodness! What are the union fat cats going to do in order to keep riding around in Cadillac limos while wearing their silk suits and gucchi shoes? Sob...sob..sniffle..sob...


Get a fuckin' real job...one where you can advance on your own merit...not on the recommendation of some union goon.


UNIONS SUCK!!!

 

[asaratis]

you are free to seek employment elsewhere.. and the employer should be free to kick out a union to keep positions open for on-union employees, if the union tries to stiff arm employees into joining the union

An employer should be free to violate his contract with labor?

What about his contracts with creditors?

Customers?

Can he violate those to with no penalty?

Obama certainly violated the laws when he forced GM to pay the unions instead of the preferred lenders in the bankruptcy bailout..."Just ignore de fuckin' law, man! You dealin' wit Obama!"

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

If someone doens't want a union job they should....

Oh, you poor, poor liberal loser! Sorry about your losing the vote on forced unionism. It almost seems unfair doesn't it?

I mean after all, once a union mob gets established, it should be able to squeeze dues out of every single worker in the area and contribute that money to the political candidates of the UNION BOSS'S choice. Legalized extortion should never be taken away from a union state.

My goodness! What are the union fat cats going to do in order to keep riding around in Cadillac limos while wearing their silk suits and gucchi shoes? Sob...sob..sniffle..sob...

Its not extortion. If you don't want a union job don't take it. If you're a business and don't want a union shop, don't sign a union shop agreement. Its just that simple. Its time people start taking personal responsibility for their own decisions.

Get a fuckin' real job...one where you can advance on your own merit...not on the recommendation of some union goon.


UNIONS SUCK!!!

If that's what you think then what are you doing applying for a union job?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

you are free to seek employment elsewhere.. and the employer should be free to kick out a union to keep positions open for on-union employees, if the union tries to stiff arm employees into joining the union

An employer should be free to violate his contract with labor?

What about his contracts with creditors?

Customers?

Can he violate those to with no penalty?

Obama certainly violated the laws when he forced GM to pay the unions instead of the preferred lenders in the bankruptcy bailout..."Just ignore de fuckin' law, man! You dealin' wit Obama!"

He did not.

 

[jillian]

you are free to seek employment elsewhere.. and the employer should be free to kick out a union to keep positions open for on-union employees, if the union tries to stiff arm employees into joining the union

An employer should be free to violate his contract with labor?

What about his contracts with creditors?

Customers?

Can he violate those to with no penalty?

Obama certainly violated the laws when he forced GM to pay the unions instead of the preferred lenders in the bankruptcy bailout..."Just ignore de fuckin' law, man! You dealin' wit Obama!"

obama forced??? by himself? no act of congress involved? no statute involved? no regulation involved?

you might want to go check the order of preference under the bankruptcy laws

 

[Skull Pilot]

What's "free market" about forcing people to pay for services they don't want?

No one is. If you don't want a union job don't apply for one. No one forces anyone to take a job at a union shop.

The fucking union doesn't own the shop and the fucking union doesn't hire people.

The business hires people and if a person the business owner wants to hire does not want to be in a union it's no one's business but theirs.

You people are all for freedom right?

The problem is that fucking union slugs have to be told what to do or they can't function and they are threatened by people who can think for themselves.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

What's "free market" about forcing people to pay for services they don't want?

No one is. If you don't want a union job don't apply for one. No one forces anyone to take a job at a union shop.

The fucking union doesn't own the shop and the fucking union doesn't hire people.

The union negotiates wages and benefits on behalf of the workers. If those wages and benefits minus dues aren't satisfactory to you, DON'T APPLY FOR A UNION JOB.

If you don't want an agent taking a cut out of the house you're buying - do you look to buy for sale by owner properties or do you whine and make it illegal for people to hire an agent? Well if you don't want the union getting your dues then don't reap the benefits of whatever wages they have negotiated, shop elsewhere for your job.

The business hires people and if a person the business owner wants to hire does not want to be in a union it's no one's business but theirs.

Not if the business has agreed to a union shop.
Fucks sake you're stupid. Who the fuck are you to tell business what kinds of agreements they can make with labor?

 

[Skull Pilot]

No one is. If you don't want a union job don't apply for one. No one forces anyone to take a job at a union shop.

The fucking union doesn't own the shop and the fucking union doesn't hire people.

The union negotiates wages and benefits on behalf of the workers. If those wages and benefits minus dues aren't satisfactory to you, DON'T APPLY FOR A UNION JOB.

There is no such thing as a union job because the unions don't provide the jobs. And why can't a person negotiate their own salary and not be in the fucking union? What do you care if a person strikes a private contract with an employer it doesn't effect anyone else.

The business hires people and if a person the business owner wants to hire does not want to be in a union it's no one's business but theirs.

Not if the business has agreed to a union shop.
Fucks sake you're stupid. Who the fuck are you to tell business what kinds of agreements they can make with labor?

Excuse me but you're the asshole telling people what kind of deal they can make not me.

Why the fuck should I be forced to honor a deal some fucking union hack made?

 

[asaratis]

If someone doens't want a union job they should....

Oh, you poor, poor liberal loser! Sorry about your losing the vote on forced unionism. It almost seems unfair doesn't it?

I mean after all, once a union mob gets established, it should be able to squeeze dues out of every single worker in the area and contribute that money to the political candidates of the UNION BOSS'S choice. Legalized extortion should never be taken away from a union state.

My goodness! What are the union fat cats going to do in order to keep riding around in Cadillac limos while wearing their silk suits and gucchi shoes? Sob...sob..sniffle..sob...

Its not extortion. If you don't want a union job don't take it. If you're a business and don't want a union shop, don't sign a union shop agreement. Its just that simple. Its time people start taking personal responsibility for their own decisions.

Get a fuckin' real job...one where you can advance on your own merit...not on the recommendation of some union goon.


UNIONS SUCK!!!

If that's what you think then what are you doing applying for a union job?

I'm employed...not looking for a job.

An employer should be free to violate his contract with labor?

What about his contracts with creditors?

Customers?

Can he violate those to with no penalty?

Obama certainly violated the laws when he forced GM to pay the unions instead of the preferred lenders in the bankruptcy bailout..."Just ignore de fuckin' law, man! You dealin' wit Obama!"

He did not.

Yes he did. He had it fixed where GM could ignore paying off the creditors who otherwise were protected by LAW and should have gotten paid before a massive amount of GM's worth was GIVEN to the undeserving UNIONS.

An employer should be free to violate his contract with labor?

What about his contracts with creditors?

Customers?

Can he violate those to with no penalty?

Obama certainly violated the laws when he forced GM to pay the unions instead of the preferred lenders in the bankruptcy bailout..."Just ignore de fuckin' law, man! You dealin' wit Obama!"

obama forced??? by himself? no act of congress involved? no statute involved? no regulation involved?

you might want to go check the order of preference under the bankruptcy laws

The unions got what should have been paid out to protected creditors.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

The fucking union doesn't own the shop and the fucking union doesn't hire people.

The union negotiates wages and benefits on behalf of the workers. If those wages and benefits minus dues aren't satisfactory to you, DON'T APPLY FOR A UNION JOB.

There is no such thing as a union job because the unions don't provide the jobs.

If there's "no such thing" then why is there a need to pass laws against it? LOL

And why can't a person negotiate their own salary and not be in the fucking union?

They can. Its EASY. APPLY TO WORK AT A NON-UNION SHOP.

What do you care if a person strikes a private contract with an employer it doesn't effect anyone else.

What do you care if an employer signs a contract agreeing not to do that?
Its not really any of your fucking business, is it? Its a deal between the employer and his employees - butt out and mind your own fucking business.

Excuse me but you're the asshole telling people what kind of deal they can make not me.

No, I'm NOT

Why the fuck should I be forced to honor a deal some fucking union hack made?

You aren't you moronic twat - DON'T APPLY FOR A JOB AT A UNION SHOP. Can you READ AND COMPREHEND ENGLISH? Don't want to "be forced to honor a deal some fucking union hack made?" - DON'T APPLY FOR THE JOB WITH THE BUSINESS THAT SIGNED THAT DEAL.

 

[SniperFire]

That is no longer necessary, oompoop.

The law now says a worker has the choice.


Oh. and big letters, small dick.