If Republicans are racists and sexists then why no anti Condi Rice VP threads?

[code1211]

I don't think the GOP leadership is as radical as some of their coalitions.

Chaney is to the Right of Obama on gay marriage.

The Right hated the Clintons as much as they hate Obama.

Granted, the Southern Strategy (exploiting Civil Rights backlash) is what finally flipped the "Solid South", but I don't think racism is nearly as instrumental to electoral politics as it was back in the 60s and 70s.

That's kind of a lot of general points but okay. I would not pretend that there will never be racist Republicans. But the idea that the typical Republican lawmaker and typical Republican is doing things for racist reasons is absurd. We want people of all colors to embrace our values. Why? Because we believe in our values. We know that everybody doing what's right will make the world a better place.

Democrats on the other hand; they have to rely on us vs. them politics. They will always be making claims of racism b/c without it they can't count on the people they hold down to continue supporting them.

I think that is a silly statement. Both parties play the "us vs them" politics. The republicans and 'conservatives' are constantly complaining about "the libruls", etc. The republicans also play their own 'race cards' as well.

That is true. In my personal case as a Conservative, though, I just want to be left alone.

Liberals just can't resist trying to legislate my activities. To me, anybody who tries to use the law to regulate my activities is employing a Liberal approach.

This applies to all of the do-gooder things like the limit on soft drink consumption or the DOMA.

What difference can it possibly make to anyone if a gay couple is living together and getting the married guy tax deduction?

Get the government out of my life and keep them out.

 

[code1211]

this is just about exclusively the result of the failed Obama policies.

No. That is not the case. What is in your water that makes you conveniently disregard history in that way?

I'm not going to spend much time on you either way, but how about at least faking the honesty.

What are the successful policies of Obama that have made the lot of the Black individual better today than it was 4 years ago?

Policies don't make individuals better, Individuals make themselves better. Did you want him to make SPECIFIC policies to help 'Black individuals'?

From a macro point of view, the government, especially the Federal Government, needs to stay far, far away from the lives of individuals.

The way that a Federal Government can improve the lives of the citizenry is to make the conditions right for the actors that can and do affect the lives of individuals do things that will help the individual.

This administration has actively campaigned against the interests of people who could help the individual. They sue job creators, threaten punitive tax increases, destabilize entire industries and override judicial decisions in order to prevent expansion of employment.

This administration has poisoned the well when they are supposed to be providing the tools to dig new wells.

The Failed Stimulus which wasted a trillion dollars on pay backs, pay offs, bribes and deception and a perfect example. In a wrong headed mistake, they pissed away the hopes of recovery for short term political advantage.

Thankfully, the citizenry seems to have caught on to the swindle if the results of the 2010 election and the various Wisconsin recalls are any indication.

You can talk around it all you like, but the fact is that Obama is dividing the population against each other and is exhorting the individuals of the Black community to believe that they cannot advance because there is a vast white, rich conspiracy holding them back. His message is that you are beat before you start, so give up.

 

[Pheonixops]

What excuses am I making? I'm giving you plausible, even likely explanations for your assertions that btw are not based on hearsay at best.

And it's freaking common sense. People that try to pull on the strings of the president, do so b/c of their vested interests, not freaking racism. That's reality dude. That's the freaking default. You can't claim anything to the contrary without proof.

Yea and I'm calling BS on your ****** bitch talk by conservatives. That's just another baseless accusation. And it does nothing to defy my premise that if conservatives were so racist then they would have already came out in numbers against her.

And Bush isn't a progressive. He hired qualified people who he trusted to do jobs. We don't have to pat ourselves on the back for hiring a black woman. We're not that shallow.

And people that want Obama thrown out of office for not being a citizen are not racist. They have morals and values and fuck you for assuming the worst in them. I take offense to that.

If selections are made absent racial considerations, that is just intelligent.

if selections are made due to racial considerations first and all else next, that is racism.

Which party is racist?

This is something that the left has been unable to refute. The left regularly and repeatedly makes decisions based on one race or sex to the point that they have had to redefine racism. You see it on this board here. I have been called a racist because I do not support hiring quotas. That's right, instead of being a racist by making decisions based on race, now racism is NOT taking race into account. The logical fallacy there is breathtaking.



Who has a National BLACK Caucasus? That's not racism because....
Well, no real reason, it not racists because they said so.

So what does that make Allen West?

 

[JoeB131]

People who care about the USA remember 2008 very well and are looking froward to November.

Earlier, we were looking forward to 2010.

Four more months!

Four More months!

(Repeat this chant whenever the Prevaricator in Chief opens his divisive rhetoric.)

And now we are realizing what a mistake we made in 2010, and looking to fix it one more time.

Looking less and less likely the REpublicans will take the White House or the Senate..

 

[JoeB131]

The idea of the politics within a corporation is to show the boss another method or idea that might work better in the prevailing conditions and to give him the plausible path to avoid saying that he was wrong.

If you're working for a corporation where all of the communication is vertical and downward, you're screwed anyway.

If the boss sticks to a bad idea just because it's his, then you really need a new job because your job is going away anyhow as the ship sinks.

The art of politics is making someone do what you want them to do because they want to do it.

There is absolutely no difference between this in sales, management, family life, team work or politics.

You need to work on these skills an learn how to employ them throughout your life.

Guy, you need to stop worshipping at the altar of the Almighty Corporate Douchebag.

They aren't fucking geniuses.

 

[JoeB131]

[
After rolling my eyes and shaking my head...

From article 2, section 1 of the Constitution:

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Because McCain was born on soil recognized as legally US soil, this is a horrible and non-relevent example. You are deflecting.

As a Liberal, I realize that the notion of the Constitution being anything more than a quaint matter of curiosity is beyond your grasp. Living with no reference points from history or knowledge of our particular national history is an interesting viewpoint, but bereft of intelligence.

Okay. Obama was born in Hawaii. McCain was born in Panama.

There's really nothing to discuss here, right?

The only real relevent issue to you.


Obama is a black guy with a funny name.

 

[Pheonixops]

That's kind of a lot of general points but okay. I would not pretend that there will never be racist Republicans. But the idea that the typical Republican lawmaker and typical Republican is doing things for racist reasons is absurd. We want people of all colors to embrace our values. Why? Because we believe in our values. We know that everybody doing what's right will make the world a better place.

Democrats on the other hand; they have to rely on us vs. them politics. They will always be making claims of racism b/c without it they can't count on the people they hold down to continue supporting them.

I think that is a silly statement. Both parties play the "us vs them" politics. The republicans and 'conservatives' are constantly complaining about "the libruls", etc. The republicans also play their own 'race cards' as well.

That is true. In my personal case as a Conservative, though, I just want to be left alone.

Liberals just can't resist trying to legislate my activities. To me, anybody who tries to use the law to regulate my activities is employing a Liberal approach.

This applies to all of the do-gooder things like the limit on soft drink consumption or the DOMA.

What difference can it possibly make to anyone if a gay couple is living together and getting the married guy tax deduction?

Get the government out of my life and keep them out.

That's mt sentiment EXACTLY.

Those aren't liberals, they are the government control types. There are plenty of conservatives who are government control types as well (see war on drugs,etc.)

I am against both of those idiotic ideas.


I agree.

I agree and I will now deputize you as a true Liberal.

 

[Pheonixops]

What are the successful policies of Obama that have made the lot of the Black individual better today than it was 4 years ago?

Policies don't make individuals better, Individuals make themselves better. Did you want him to make SPECIFIC policies to help 'Black individuals'?

From a macro point of view, the government, especially the Federal Government, needs to stay far, far away from the lives of individuals.

The way that a Federal Government can improve the lives of the citizenry is to make the conditions right for the actors that can and do affect the lives of individuals do things that will help the individual.

This administration has actively campaigned against the interests of people who could help the individual. They sue job creators, threaten punitive tax increases, destabilize entire industries and override judicial decisions in order to prevent expansion of employment.

This administration has poisoned the well when they are supposed to be providing the tools to dig new wells.

The Failed Stimulus which wasted a trillion dollars on pay backs, pay offs, bribes and deception and a perfect example. In a wrong headed mistake, they pissed away the hopes of recovery for short term political advantage.

Thankfully, the citizenry seems to have caught on to the swindle if the results of the 2010 election and the various Wisconsin recalls are any indication.

You can talk around it all you like, but the fact is that Obama is dividing the population against each other and is exhorting the individuals of the Black community to believe that they cannot advance because there is a vast white, rich conspiracy holding them back. His message is that you are beat before you start, so give up.

What are you specifically referring to? Why did they allegedly sue the "job creators"?

Tell that to the companies and individuals who had the initiative to bid on those projects and make money.

Fact Check: Did the stimulus create "zero" jobs?

The Facts: A more accurate jobs count may come from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, which estimates the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, also known as the stimulus bill, "increased the number of people employed by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million" in the second quarter of 2010 alone. The budget office also states that well over half a million jobs were funded in each of the other three quarters of 2010.

Recovery.gov - Tracking the Money

This is why I think that people who knock the stimulus program are either IGNORANT or FULL OF SHIT. There are PLENTY of opportunities below for the actual go getters who actually want to get work.
Opportunities

That last line I put in bold is a bunch of republican 'conservative' BULLSHIT. Show me where he says that NOW.

"The Illinois senator — who would be the first black elected as president — also returned to his message that blacks must "do more in our own lives, our own families, and our own communities,"

Obama’s Message to Black Leaders: “Stop Complaining”
“Take off your bedroom slippers, put on your marching shoes. Stop complaining, stop grumbling, stop crying.”
Read more: Obama’s Message to Black Leaders: “Stop Complaining” | Swampland | TIME.com

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Seriously, Dems are constantly crying about how racist and sexist Republicans are. But I've yet to even see a thread saying; 'please don't let that ****** bitch be our VP candidate.' Could it be that Republicans aren't racist and sexist?

Liberals crushed Rice with all kinds of racial filth. Including political cartoons depicting her in a most racially bigoted manner.

I would certainly condemn such things if they came out here.....do you have examples of posters here who did such a thing?

Indeed. cite some examples.

 

[LoneLaugher]

That's kind of a lot of general points but okay. I would not pretend that there will never be racist Republicans. But the idea that the typical Republican lawmaker and typical Republican is doing things for racist reasons is absurd. We want people of all colors to embrace our values. Why? Because we believe in our values. We know that everybody doing what's right will make the world a better place.

Democrats on the other hand; they have to rely on us vs. them politics. They will always be making claims of racism b/c without it they can't count on the people they hold down to continue supporting them.

I think that is a silly statement. Both parties play the "us vs them" politics. The republicans and 'conservatives' are constantly complaining about "the libruls", etc. The republicans also play their own 'race cards' as well.

That is true. In my personal case as a Conservative, though, I just want to be left alone.

Liberals just can't resist trying to legislate my activities. To me, anybody who tries to use the law to regulate my activities is employing a Liberal approach.

This applies to all of the do-gooder things like the limit on soft drink consumption or the DOMA.

What difference can it possibly make to anyone if a gay couple is living together and getting the married guy tax deduction?

Get the government out of my life and keep them out.

You are delusional. Liberals want to be left alone. It is the modern "conservative" who likes to restrict the activities of others.

The primary motivator for nutters is not individual liberty, it is greed. The main complaint almost always boils down to a fear that someone else might benefit from the money that a nutter earns.

Until you agree that it is OK for me to sit on my front porch naked watching porn on network TV while taking bong hits torched by the burning US flag that I have in my hibachi, you don't get to claim that you would leave me alone if given the power.

Liberals want to regulate your activities..........my ass.

 

[code1211]

People who care about the USA remember 2008 very well and are looking froward to November.

Earlier, we were looking forward to 2010.

Four more months!

Four More months!

(Repeat this chant whenever the Prevaricator in Chief opens his divisive rhetoric.)

And now we are realizing what a mistake we made in 2010, and looking to fix it one more time.

Looking less and less likely the REpublicans will take the White House or the Senate..

Yup! The Democrats are a lock. You might as well stay home next November.

 

[code1211]

The idea of the politics within a corporation is to show the boss another method or idea that might work better in the prevailing conditions and to give him the plausible path to avoid saying that he was wrong.

If you're working for a corporation where all of the communication is vertical and downward, you're screwed anyway.

If the boss sticks to a bad idea just because it's his, then you really need a new job because your job is going away anyhow as the ship sinks.

The art of politics is making someone do what you want them to do because they want to do it.

There is absolutely no difference between this in sales, management, family life, team work or politics.

You need to work on these skills an learn how to employ them throughout your life.

Guy, you need to stop worshipping at the altar of the Almighty Corporate Douchebag.

They aren't fucking geniuses.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you aren't one of the decision makers.

 

[code1211]

[
After rolling my eyes and shaking my head...

From article 2, section 1 of the Constitution:

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Because McCain was born on soil recognized as legally US soil, this is a horrible and non-relevent example. You are deflecting.

As a Liberal, I realize that the notion of the Constitution being anything more than a quaint matter of curiosity is beyond your grasp. Living with no reference points from history or knowledge of our particular national history is an interesting viewpoint, but bereft of intelligence.

Okay. Obama was born in Hawaii. McCain was born in Panama.

There's really nothing to discuss here, right?

The only real relevent issue to you.


Obama is a black guy with a funny name.

You apparently did not read the post above in which i said it took me about 30 minutes to google the issue, find out why it came and who was pushing and why it was baseless.

I dislike his policies and believe due to his utter and complete failure that he's a poor excuse for a President. He is as eligible for this position as I am. I believe he's eligible. He's just not very good at it.

 

[code1211]

I think that is a silly statement. Both parties play the "us vs them" politics. The republicans and 'conservatives' are constantly complaining about "the libruls", etc. The republicans also play their own 'race cards' as well.

That is true. In my personal case as a Conservative, though, I just want to be left alone.

Liberals just can't resist trying to legislate my activities. To me, anybody who tries to use the law to regulate my activities is employing a Liberal approach.

This applies to all of the do-gooder things like the limit on soft drink consumption or the DOMA.

What difference can it possibly make to anyone if a gay couple is living together and getting the married guy tax deduction?

Get the government out of my life and keep them out.

That's mt sentiment EXACTLY.

Those aren't liberals, they are the government control types. There are plenty of conservatives who are government control types as well (see war on drugs,etc.)

I am against both of those idiotic ideas.


I agree.

I agree and I will now deputize you as a true Liberal.

A Liberal sees all problems as being one government program away from a solution.

A Conservative sees all government programs as being the problem.

Every time any idea is codified into regulation, that is an expansion of government and therefore is a Liberal approach to problem solving.

With respect, I will refuse your deputization and invite you to examine what Liberalism truly is.

Start with the 2400 pages of the Obamacare legislation and the 24,000 pages of regulations that will support it if the Supremes don't strike it down. That is Liberalism at its finest. Laws passed by deception through back room deals against the will of the prople by people who had not read the thing they were voting on.

Google bat crap crazy and you'll find a picture of Nancy Pelosi.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

I think that is a silly statement. Both parties play the "us vs them" politics. The republicans and 'conservatives' are constantly complaining about "the libruls", etc. The republicans also play their own 'race cards' as well.

That is true. In my personal case as a Conservative, though, I just want to be left alone.

Liberals just can't resist trying to legislate my activities. To me, anybody who tries to use the law to regulate my activities is employing a Liberal approach.

This applies to all of the do-gooder things like the limit on soft drink consumption or the DOMA.

What difference can it possibly make to anyone if a gay couple is living together and getting the married guy tax deduction?

Get the government out of my life and keep them out.

You are delusional. Liberals want to be left alone. It is the modern "conservative" who likes to restrict the activities of others.

The primary motivator for nutters is not individual liberty, it is greed. The main complaint almost always boils down to a fear that someone else might benefit from the money that a nutter earns.

Until you agree that it is OK for me to sit on my front porch naked watching porn on network TV while taking bong hits torched by the burning US flag that I have in my hibachi, you don't get to claim that you would leave me alone if given the power.

Liberals want to regulate your activities..........my ass.

Okay. Get rid of the income tax, get the government out of education and a few other things and I'm more than happy to let you do what the fuck you want. As long as you're willing to get the fuck out of our lives then hell yea. I'm with you.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Let me? Interesting choice of words.

 

[code1211]

Policies don't make individuals better, Individuals make themselves better. Did you want him to make SPECIFIC policies to help 'Black individuals'?

From a macro point of view, the government, especially the Federal Government, needs to stay far, far away from the lives of individuals.

The way that a Federal Government can improve the lives of the citizenry is to make the conditions right for the actors that can and do affect the lives of individuals do things that will help the individual.

This administration has actively campaigned against the interests of people who could help the individual. They sue job creators, threaten punitive tax increases, destabilize entire industries and override judicial decisions in order to prevent expansion of employment.

This administration has poisoned the well when they are supposed to be providing the tools to dig new wells.

The Failed Stimulus which wasted a trillion dollars on pay backs, pay offs, bribes and deception and a perfect example. In a wrong headed mistake, they pissed away the hopes of recovery for short term political advantage.

Thankfully, the citizenry seems to have caught on to the swindle if the results of the 2010 election and the various Wisconsin recalls are any indication.

You can talk around it all you like, but the fact is that Obama is dividing the population against each other and is exhorting the individuals of the Black community to believe that they cannot advance because there is a vast white, rich conspiracy holding them back. His message is that you are beat before you start, so give up.

What are you specifically referring to? Why did they allegedly sue the "job creators"?

Tell that to the companies and individuals who had the initiative to bid on those projects and make money.

Fact Check: Did the stimulus create "zero" jobs?

The Facts: A more accurate jobs count may come from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, which estimates the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, also known as the stimulus bill, "increased the number of people employed by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million" in the second quarter of 2010 alone. The budget office also states that well over half a million jobs were funded in each of the other three quarters of 2010.

Recovery.gov - Tracking the Money

This is why I think that people who knock the stimulus program are either IGNORANT or FULL OF SHIT. There are PLENTY of opportunities below for the actual go getters who actually want to get work.
Opportunities

That last line I put in bold is a bunch of republican 'conservative' BULLSHIT. Show me where he says that NOW.

"The Illinois senator — who would be the first black elected as president — also returned to his message that blacks must "do more in our own lives, our own families, and our own communities,"

Obama’s Message to Black Leaders: “Stop Complaining”
“Take off your bedroom slippers, put on your marching shoes. Stop complaining, stop grumbling, stop crying.”
Read more: Obama’s Message to Black Leaders: “Stop Complaining” | Swampland | TIME.com

1. They sued Boeing for trying to create 2400 jobs in a state that did not demand unionization. They shut down Gibson Guitar for not being a union shop resurrecting a law about rosewood imports that the exporting country did not ask to have enforced.

2. The Stimulus was sold as a way to get Americans to work. What it was was a subsidization of Government unions delaying the layoffs that needed to occur because the economy is in the pooper. There are about 3.5 million fewer jobs today than there were 4 years ago. The Stimulus failed both as a stimulus of the economy as the poor jobs creation demonstrates and as a buyer of votes as the 2010 election demonstrates.

3. Other neat things they've done include stopping the keystone pipeline, chasing away the drilling rigs from the Gulf and then keeping them away even after a court ruling said that they could operate, passed Obamacare and nobody knows what the heck is going on with this, threatening repeatedly to increase the taxes on "The Rich" by increasing income tax, changing the inheritance tax, changing the investment tax, allowing the USA to become the country with the highest corporate tax in the world, allowing the EPA to expand regulations outside of Congressional intent and have created the conditions needed to make the most risk happy population in the history of mankind scared enough to keep their money sewed up in mattresses.

Good Work!

 

[code1211]

I think that is a silly statement. Both parties play the "us vs them" politics. The republicans and 'conservatives' are constantly complaining about "the libruls", etc. The republicans also play their own 'race cards' as well.

That is true. In my personal case as a Conservative, though, I just want to be left alone.

Liberals just can't resist trying to legislate my activities. To me, anybody who tries to use the law to regulate my activities is employing a Liberal approach.

This applies to all of the do-gooder things like the limit on soft drink consumption or the DOMA.

What difference can it possibly make to anyone if a gay couple is living together and getting the married guy tax deduction?

Get the government out of my life and keep them out.

You are delusional. Liberals want to be left alone. It is the modern "conservative" who likes to restrict the activities of others.

The primary motivator for nutters is not individual liberty, it is greed. The main complaint almost always boils down to a fear that someone else might benefit from the money that a nutter earns.

Until you agree that it is OK for me to sit on my front porch naked watching porn on network TV while taking bong hits torched by the burning US flag that I have in my hibachi, you don't get to claim that you would leave me alone if given the power.

Liberals want to regulate your activities..........my ass.

You are free to do all of those things.

I have a feeling you do already.

Liberals want to take away my money, my home and my freedom. They want me to pay tax to retain all of these things.

Then they want to use that taxed income from me to assure that others will have money, a home and freedom.

What's wrong with this picture?

 

[LoneLaugher]

I see we understand each other.

 

[FA_Q2]

I think that is a silly statement. Both parties play the "us vs them" politics. The republicans and 'conservatives' are constantly complaining about "the libruls", etc. The republicans also play their own 'race cards' as well.

That is true. In my personal case as a Conservative, though, I just want to be left alone.

Liberals just can't resist trying to legislate my activities. To me, anybody who tries to use the law to regulate my activities is employing a Liberal approach.

This applies to all of the do-gooder things like the limit on soft drink consumption or the DOMA.

What difference can it possibly make to anyone if a gay couple is living together and getting the married guy tax deduction?

Get the government out of my life and keep them out.

You are delusional. Liberals want to be left alone. It is the modern "conservative" who likes to restrict the activities of others.

The primary motivator for nutters is not individual liberty, it is greed. The main complaint almost always boils down to a fear that someone else might benefit from the money that a nutter earns.

Until you agree that it is OK for me to sit on my front porch naked watching porn on network TV while taking bong hits torched by the burning US flag that I have in my hibachi, you don't get to claim that you would leave me alone if given the power.
Liberals want to regulate your activities..........my ass.

I agree.


Now, you claim that it is liberals that want to be left alone but you know that is utter bullshit. There are more examples of liberals trying to control every damn aspect of my life coming out every damn day.

It is liberals that want to control large sodas, table salt, smoking, what I listen to on the radio ect. What does the right want: gay marriage. It's all bullshit but claim that the left just wants to be left alone. We know better than that.