If Republicans are racists and sexists then why no anti Condi Rice VP threads?

[Pheonixops]

That is true. In my personal case as a Conservative, though, I just want to be left alone.

Liberals just can't resist trying to legislate my activities. To me, anybody who tries to use the law to regulate my activities is employing a Liberal approach.

This applies to all of the do-gooder things like the limit on soft drink consumption or the DOMA.

What difference can it possibly make to anyone if a gay couple is living together and getting the married guy tax deduction?

Get the government out of my life and keep them out.

That's mt sentiment EXACTLY.

Those aren't liberals, they are the government control types. There are plenty of conservatives who are government control types as well (see war on drugs,etc.)

I am against both of those idiotic ideas.


I agree.

I agree and I will now deputize you as a true Liberal.

A Liberal sees all problems as being one government program away from a solution.

A Conservative sees all government programs as being the problem.

Every time any idea is codified into regulation, that is an expansion of government and therefore is a Liberal approach to problem solving.

With respect, I will refuse your deputization and invite you to examine what Liberalism truly is.

Start with the 2400 pages of the Obamacare legislation and the 24,000 pages of regulations that will support it if the Supremes don't strike it down. That is Liberalism at its finest. Laws passed by deception through back room deals against the will of the prople by people who had not read the thing they were voting on.

Google bat crap crazy and you'll find a picture of Nancy Pelosi.

LOL, Medicare Part D, the MIC, DHS, are all 'conservative' programs,.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I don't think the GOP leadership is as radical as some of their coalitions.

Chaney is to the Right of Obama on gay marriage.

The Right hated the Clintons as much as they hate Obama.

Granted, the Southern Strategy (exploiting Civil Rights backlash) is what finally flipped the "Solid South", but I don't think racism is nearly as instrumental to electoral politics as it was back in the 60s and 70s.

That's kind of a lot of general points but okay. I would not pretend that there will never be racist Republicans. But the idea that the typical Republican lawmaker and typical Republican is doing things for racist reasons is absurd. We want people of all colors to embrace our values. Why? Because we believe in our values. We know that everybody doing what's right will make the world a better place.

Democrats on the other hand; they have to rely on us vs. them politics. They will always be making claims of racism b/c without it they can't count on the people they hold down to continue supporting them.

Republicans only demand to see the birth certificates of black Presidents....I'm sure thats a coincidence.

That comment does not rise to the level of stupid.

 

[thereisnospoon]

That's mt sentiment EXACTLY.

Those aren't liberals, they are the government control types. There are plenty of conservatives who are government control types as well (see war on drugs,etc.)

I am against both of those idiotic ideas.


I agree.

I agree and I will now deputize you as a true Liberal.

A Liberal sees all problems as being one government program away from a solution.

A Conservative sees all government programs as being the problem.

Every time any idea is codified into regulation, that is an expansion of government and therefore is a Liberal approach to problem solving.

With respect, I will refuse your deputization and invite you to examine what Liberalism truly is.

Start with the 2400 pages of the Obamacare legislation and the 24,000 pages of regulations that will support it if the Supremes don't strike it down. That is Liberalism at its finest. Laws passed by deception through back room deals against the will of the prople by people who had not read the thing they were voting on.

Google bat crap crazy and you'll find a picture of Nancy Pelosi.

LOL, Medicare Part D, the MIC, DHS, are all 'conservative' programs,.

They are? How so?
Please tell me you are not so naive as to believe all republicans are conservatives.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I think that is a silly statement. Both parties play the "us vs them" politics. The republicans and 'conservatives' are constantly complaining about "the libruls", etc. The republicans also play their own 'race cards' as well.

That is true. In my personal case as a Conservative, though, I just want to be left alone.

Liberals just can't resist trying to legislate my activities. To me, anybody who tries to use the law to regulate my activities is employing a Liberal approach.

This applies to all of the do-gooder things like the limit on soft drink consumption or the DOMA.

What difference can it possibly make to anyone if a gay couple is living together and getting the married guy tax deduction?

Get the government out of my life and keep them out.

You are delusional. Liberals want to be left alone. It is the modern "conservative" who likes to restrict the activities of others.

The primary motivator for nutters is not individual liberty, it is greed. The main complaint almost always boils down to a fear that someone else might benefit from the money that a nutter earns.

Until you agree that it is OK for me to sit on my front porch naked watching porn on network TV while taking bong hits torched by the burning US flag that I have in my hibachi, you don't get to claim that you would leave me alone if given the power.

Liberals want to regulate your activities..........my ass.

Now we're going off the deep end..
Is it your assertion that if people who behaved in this manner you mentioned above would be welcomed with open arms into YOUR neighborhood?
What about pedophiles or drug dealers? Or how about the guy who decides to turn his front yard into a pile of junked cars?....
Take caution in your answer. The incorrect response leaves you a hypocrite.

 

[JoeB131]

The idea of the politics within a corporation is to show the boss another method or idea that might work better in the prevailing conditions and to give him the plausible path to avoid saying that he was wrong.

If you're working for a corporation where all of the communication is vertical and downward, you're screwed anyway.

If the boss sticks to a bad idea just because it's his, then you really need a new job because your job is going away anyhow as the ship sinks.

The art of politics is making someone do what you want them to do because they want to do it.

There is absolutely no difference between this in sales, management, family life, team work or politics.

You need to work on these skills an learn how to employ them throughout your life.

Guy, you need to stop worshipping at the altar of the Almighty Corporate Douchebag.

They aren't fucking geniuses.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you aren't one of the decision makers.

NOpe, I'm the one who sits in the back and says, 'That's an awful idea" and when it blows up in their faces, I say, "I told you so."

 

[Dick Tuck]

Seriously, Dems are constantly crying about how racist and sexist Republicans are. But I've yet to even see a thread saying; 'please don't let that ****** bitch be our VP candidate.' Could it be that Republicans aren't racist and sexist?

Did you expect to see that? Probably, you did.

I'd be more than interested in seeing her position on the Republican plan to cut student loans.

 

[OODA_Loop]

I'd be more than interested in seeing her position on the Republican plan to cut student loans.

Me too. Hopefully it will get the .gov out of it as it is raising the cost of education.

 

[Pheonixops]

A Liberal sees all problems as being one government program away from a solution.

A Conservative sees all government programs as being the problem.

Every time any idea is codified into regulation, that is an expansion of government and therefore is a Liberal approach to problem solving.

With respect, I will refuse your deputization and invite you to examine what Liberalism truly is.

Start with the 2400 pages of the Obamacare legislation and the 24,000 pages of regulations that will support it if the Supremes don't strike it down. That is Liberalism at its finest. Laws passed by deception through back room deals against the will of the prople by people who had not read the thing they were voting on.

Google bat crap crazy and you'll find a picture of Nancy Pelosi.

LOL, Medicare Part D, the MIC, DHS, are all 'conservative' programs,.

They are? How so?
Please tell me you are not so naive as to believe all republicans are conservatives.

Bush, who according limbaugh and hannity is a conservative, signed Medicare Part D into law, started the two wars (MIC), increased the size of government, signed the PA, and the conservative pundits pretty much advocated them and only made a feigned protest about Medicare part D.
Please don't deny that the biggest conservative talkers weren't staunch advocates for the Bush Administration!


"George W. Bush rode into Washington almost eight years ago astride the horse of smaller government. He will leave it this winter having overseen the biggest federal budget expansion since Franklin Delano Roosevelt seven decades ago.

Not since World War II, when the nation mobilized to fight a global war against fascism and recover from the Great Depression, has government spending played as large a role in the economy as it does today.
"“We have now presided over the largest increase in the size of government since the Great Society,” said Sen. John McCain, the Republican candidate vying to replace Mr. Bush in the White House, during the first presidential debate."

"That, in fact, was an understatement. No president since FDR — who offered a New Deal to pull the nation out of the Great Depression and then fought World War II — has presided over as rapid a growth in government when measured as a percentage of the total economy. "
SOURCE

 

[FA_Q2]

Ah, yes. The ultimate brains of conservatism: Rush and Hannity...

Don't make me laugh. They are on the same lines as Thom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes and Norman Goldman. Hartman once advocated that 100 percent employment is a government responsibility and that the government should be sending you a check if you decided you no longer wanted to do anything at all other than sit on your couch. I guess I should ask him what constitutes a good liberal.

Talk show hosts and TV personalities exist for shock values and to make money. They have zero real credibility to those that actually think for themselves. Bush was no conservative. Neither is Romney for that matter but that is for another thread.

 

[Pheonixops]

Ah, yes. The ultimate brains of conservatism: Rush and Hannity...

Don't make me laugh. They are on the same lines as Thom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes and Norman Goldman. Hartman once advocated that 100 percent employment is a government responsibility and that the government should be sending you a check if you decided you no longer wanted to do anything at all other than sit on your couch. I guess I should ask him what constitutes a good liberal.

Talk show hosts and TV personalities exist for shock values and to make money. They have zero real credibility to those that actually think for themselves. Bush was no conservative. Neither is Romney for that matter but that is for another thread.

I agree, but that's what many of these 'conservatives' tout as 'conservatism'. Limbaugh and hannity swear that they are conservatives, their listeners and fans claim the same thing as well. These are the same assholes who rail against so-called 'statists' yet back 'statist' policies themselves. Not a few of the people I am responding to and debating with, are the very same people I just described in the previous two sentences.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Ah, yes. The ultimate brains of conservatism: Rush and Hannity...

Don't make me laugh. They are on the same lines as Thom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes and Norman Goldman. Hartman once advocated that 100 percent employment is a government responsibility and that the government should be sending you a check if you decided you no longer wanted to do anything at all other than sit on your couch. I guess I should ask him what constitutes a good liberal.

Talk show hosts and TV personalities exist for shock values and to make money. They have zero real credibility to those that actually think for themselves. Bush was no conservative. Neither is Romney for that matter but that is for another thread.

You're post is just full of half truths. If Hannity/LImbaugh were simply about shock value then their words would not resonate so deeply with so many people.

And frankly it's a ploy to try and put a face on conservatism and say this is absolutely what conservatism is all about; no ifs ands or buts about it. Conservatism is about proven values and coming together for the sake of an efficient economic system and liberty. Hannity is allowed to have opinions and present them and we don't give a fuck if you think he's spot on or a kook. He's just putting ideas out there that already resonate with people.

 

[candycorn]

That's kind of a lot of general points but okay. I would not pretend that there will never be racist Republicans. But the idea that the typical Republican lawmaker and typical Republican is doing things for racist reasons is absurd. We want people of all colors to embrace our values. Why? Because we believe in our values. We know that everybody doing what's right will make the world a better place.

Democrats on the other hand; they have to rely on us vs. them politics. They will always be making claims of racism b/c without it they can't count on the people they hold down to continue supporting them.

Republicans only demand to see the birth certificates of black Presidents....I'm sure thats a coincidence.

That comment does not rise to the level of stupid.

It does rise to the level of being the truth. Thats good enough for me.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Guy, you need to stop worshipping at the altar of the Almighty Corporate Douchebag.

They aren't fucking geniuses.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you aren't one of the decision makers.

NOpe, I'm the one who sits in the back and says, 'That's an awful idea" and when it blows up in their faces, I say, "I told you so."

"The guy that sits in the back"...Great. A real contributor to the success of your employer.
Just putting in your time, eh Joe?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

LOL, Medicare Part D, the MIC, DHS, are all 'conservative' programs,.

They are? How so?
Please tell me you are not so naive as to believe all republicans are conservatives.

Bush, who according limbaugh and hannity is a conservative, signed Medicare Part D into law, started the two wars (MIC), increased the size of government, signed the PA, and the conservative pundits pretty much advocated them and only made a feigned protest about Medicare part D.
Please don't deny that the biggest conservative talkers weren't staunch advocates for the Bush Administration!


"George W. Bush rode into Washington almost eight years ago astride the horse of smaller government. He will leave it this winter having overseen the biggest federal budget expansion since Franklin Delano Roosevelt seven decades ago.

Not since World War II, when the nation mobilized to fight a global war against fascism and recover from the Great Depression, has government spending played as large a role in the economy as it does today.
"“We have now presided over the largest increase in the size of government since the Great Society,” said Sen. John McCain, the Republican candidate vying to replace Mr. Bush in the White House, during the first presidential debate."

"That, in fact, was an understatement. No president since FDR — who offered a New Deal to pull the nation out of the Great Depression and then fought World War II — has presided over as rapid a growth in government when measured as a percentage of the total economy. "
SOURCE

If all of that is true then as a "proud liberal" you should be ecstatic about the 8 years of Bush. He apparently surpassed the actions of your heroes, JFK, LBJ, Carter and Clinton.

 

[Pheonixops]

They are? How so?
Please tell me you are not so naive as to believe all republicans are conservatives.

Bush, who according limbaugh and hannity is a conservative, signed Medicare Part D into law, started the two wars (MIC), increased the size of government, signed the PA, and the conservative pundits pretty much advocated them and only made a feigned protest about Medicare part D.
Please don't deny that the biggest conservative talkers weren't staunch advocates for the Bush Administration!


"George W. Bush rode into Washington almost eight years ago astride the horse of smaller government. He will leave it this winter having overseen the biggest federal budget expansion since Franklin Delano Roosevelt seven decades ago.

Not since World War II, when the nation mobilized to fight a global war against fascism and recover from the Great Depression, has government spending played as large a role in the economy as it does today.
"“We have now presided over the largest increase in the size of government since the Great Society,” said Sen. John McCain, the Republican candidate vying to replace Mr. Bush in the White House, during the first presidential debate."

"That, in fact, was an understatement. No president since FDR — who offered a New Deal to pull the nation out of the Great Depression and then fought World War II — has presided over as rapid a growth in government when measured as a percentage of the total economy. "
SOURCE

If all of that is true then as a "proud liberal" you should be ecstatic about the 8 years of Bush. He apparently surpassed the actions of your heroes, JFK, LBJ, Carter and Clinton.

LOL, who said that they are my 'heroes'? I certainly didn't say that they were. If you read my sig, you can see what the word Liberal actually means.

 

[FA_Q2]

Ah, yes. The ultimate brains of conservatism: Rush and Hannity...

Don't make me laugh. They are on the same lines as Thom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes and Norman Goldman. Hartman once advocated that 100 percent employment is a government responsibility and that the government should be sending you a check if you decided you no longer wanted to do anything at all other than sit on your couch. I guess I should ask him what constitutes a good liberal.

Talk show hosts and TV personalities exist for shock values and to make money. They have zero real credibility to those that actually think for themselves. Bush was no conservative. Neither is Romney for that matter but that is for another thread.

You're post is just full of half truths. If Hannity/LImbaugh were simply about shock value then their words would not resonate so deeply with so many people.

And frankly it's a ploy to try and put a face on conservatism and say this is absolutely what conservatism is all about; no ifs ands or buts about it. Conservatism is about proven values and coming together for the sake of an efficient economic system and liberty. Hannity is allowed to have opinions and present them and we don't give a fuck if you think he's spot on or a kook. He's just putting ideas out there that already resonate with people.

You are claiming that what I said was a ploy? Are you fucking kidding me?

YOU may want to believe that Beck/Hannity/Limbaugh are some vaunted conservatives but that is a crock of shit. You would be the first person here that I have seen to actually buy into their shit though. I actually like to listen to Hannity on my way to work (along with Pete Dominick for the other side of the story) and I would not claim that he has a bad show but if what he espouses is conservative then I have to say, conservatism sucks.


Fortunately, I am not going to weight an entire ideology with the baggage of a shock jock.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Ah, yes. The ultimate brains of conservatism: Rush and Hannity...

Don't make me laugh. They are on the same lines as Thom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes and Norman Goldman. Hartman once advocated that 100 percent employment is a government responsibility and that the government should be sending you a check if you decided you no longer wanted to do anything at all other than sit on your couch. I guess I should ask him what constitutes a good liberal.

Talk show hosts and TV personalities exist for shock values and to make money. They have zero real credibility to those that actually think for themselves. Bush was no conservative. Neither is Romney for that matter but that is for another thread.

You're post is just full of half truths. If Hannity/LImbaugh were simply about shock value then their words would not resonate so deeply with so many people.

And frankly it's a ploy to try and put a face on conservatism and say this is absolutely what conservatism is all about; no ifs ands or buts about it. Conservatism is about proven values and coming together for the sake of an efficient economic system and liberty. Hannity is allowed to have opinions and present them and we don't give a fuck if you think he's spot on or a kook. He's just putting ideas out there that already resonate with people.

You are claiming that what I said was a ploy? Are you fucking kidding me?

YOU may want to believe that Beck/Hannity/Limbaugh are some vaunted conservatives but that is a crock of shit. You would be the first person here that I have seen to actually buy into their shit though. I actually like to listen to Hannity on my way to work (along with Pete Dominick for the other side of the story) and I would not claim that he has a bad show but if what he espouses is conservative then I have to say, conservatism sucks.


Fortunately, I am not going to weight an entire ideology with the baggage of a shock jock.

And there you have it. You're an f'ing bitter liberal and it's in your interest to pretend that we are zombies taking marching orders from people that you've deemed to be imbeciles. Like I said, I could give a fuck about defending everything about Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck; but I'm not going to pretend that they don't make a lot of good points and don't discuss a lot of matters that the liberal media buries. That's why they're successful. It's not because they're spot on on everything and it's not because their listeners are stupid. They're just not being total f'ing pansies and they're not covertly lying for Democrats.

 

[FA_Q2]

You're post is just full of half truths. If Hannity/LImbaugh were simply about shock value then their words would not resonate so deeply with so many people.

And frankly it's a ploy to try and put a face on conservatism and say this is absolutely what conservatism is all about; no ifs ands or buts about it. Conservatism is about proven values and coming together for the sake of an efficient economic system and liberty. Hannity is allowed to have opinions and present them and we don't give a fuck if you think he's spot on or a kook. He's just putting ideas out there that already resonate with people.

You are claiming that what I said was a ploy? Are you fucking kidding me?

YOU may want to believe that Beck/Hannity/Limbaugh are some vaunted conservatives but that is a crock of shit. You would be the first person here that I have seen to actually buy into their shit though. I actually like to listen to Hannity on my way to work (along with Pete Dominick for the other side of the story) and I would not claim that he has a bad show but if what he espouses is conservative then I have to say, conservatism sucks.


Fortunately, I am not going to weight an entire ideology with the baggage of a shock jock.

And there you have it. You're an f'ing bitter liberal and it's in your interest to pretend that we are zombies taking marching orders from people that you've deemed to be imbeciles. Like I said, I could give a fuck about defending everything about Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck; but I'm not going to pretend that they don't make a lot of good points and don't discuss a lot of matters that the liberal media buries. That's why they're successful. It's not because they're spot on on everything and it's not because their listeners are stupid. They're just not being total f'ing pansies and they're not covertly lying for Democrats.

Liberal? Really? Why don't you check some of my posts and get back to me on that.

AGAIN, never said they didn't make some good points. Shit, you are good at clinging to straw men. Why don't you go back and try again.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

You are claiming that what I said was a ploy? Are you fucking kidding me?

YOU may want to believe that Beck/Hannity/Limbaugh are some vaunted conservatives but that is a crock of shit. You would be the first person here that I have seen to actually buy into their shit though. I actually like to listen to Hannity on my way to work (along with Pete Dominick for the other side of the story) and I would not claim that he has a bad show but if what he espouses is conservative then I have to say, conservatism sucks.


Fortunately, I am not going to weight an entire ideology with the baggage of a shock jock.

And there you have it. You're an f'ing bitter liberal and it's in your interest to pretend that we are zombies taking marching orders from people that you've deemed to be imbeciles. Like I said, I could give a fuck about defending everything about Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck; but I'm not going to pretend that they don't make a lot of good points and don't discuss a lot of matters that the liberal media buries. That's why they're successful. It's not because they're spot on on everything and it's not because their listeners are stupid. They're just not being total f'ing pansies and they're not covertly lying for Democrats.

Liberal? Really? Why don't you check some of my posts and get back to me on that.

AGAIN, never said they didn't make some good points. Shit, you are good at clinging to straw men. Why don't you go back and try again.

Maybe I put some words in your mouth. I'm used to the criticisms of Rush/Hannity/Beck being about how they're crazy and so are the listeners.

If you're point is that they are looking for shock value; then I partially agree. But that doesn't mean that they aren't making points otherwise. And are they at times apologists? I think Hannity is the biggest apologist of the three. And sometimes I think Rush just manufactures things and he massages his own ego. I frankly don't even like listening to Rush much b/c of that. If I can find other local hosts that are speaking about more interesting matters then I'll go with that.

 

[candycorn]

And there you have it. You're an f'ing bitter liberal and it's in your interest to pretend that we are zombies taking marching orders from people that you've deemed to be imbeciles. Like I said, I could give a fuck about defending everything about Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck; but I'm not going to pretend that they don't make a lot of good points and don't discuss a lot of matters that the liberal media buries. That's why they're successful. It's not because they're spot on on everything and it's not because their listeners are stupid. They're just not being total f'ing pansies and they're not covertly lying for Democrats.

Liberal? Really? Why don't you check some of my posts and get back to me on that.

AGAIN, never said they didn't make some good points. Shit, you are good at clinging to straw men. Why don't you go back and try again.

Maybe I put some words in your mouth. I'm used to the criticisms of Rush/Hannity/Beck being about how they're crazy and so are the listeners.

If you're point is that they are looking for shock value; then I partially agree. But that doesn't mean that they aren't making points otherwise. And are they at times apologists? I think Hannity is the biggest apologist of the three. And sometimes I think Rush just manufactures things and he massages his own ego. I frankly don't even like listening to Rush much b/c of that. If I can find other local hosts that are speaking about more interesting matters then I'll go with that.

Pot meet kettle.