If pot was made legal

[Michelle420]

Then would any ex cons who had been arrested for selling weed have it taken off the record?

Would ex pot selling convicts be allowed to carry guns, gain employment in the FBI or other fields that the previous offense would automatically disclude them from pursuing?

 

[saveliberty]

The person already showed a capacity to ignore the law.

Which is why making it legal to tax it is also a fail.

 

[whitehall]

No. Alcohol is a legal substance but the manufacture and distribution is illegal without the proper state and federal licenses. You can't even manufacture whiskey for your own consumption. They still arrest moonshiners. To a lesser extent the manufacture and sale of tobacco is restricted. A pot conviction will stay on your record no matter how the marijuana laws are liberalized.

 

[saveliberty]

That should have jump started this thread.

 

[Staidhup]

Considering the state of the economy and future prospects over the next 4 years, the legalization of THC is probably a good move, it will keep a vast number sedated to the point where they would not know any difference, plus they could tax it to death. Can you imagine the tax riots when they increase the tax on pot?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Then would any ex cons who had been arrested for selling weed have it taken off the record?

Would ex pot selling convicts be allowed to carry guns, gain employment in the FBI or other fields that the previous offense would automatically disclude them from pursuing?

No. They were culpable for a law violation and convicted (or diverted) by a court. That doesn't change simply because the law has changed. If they had completed successfully a period of diversion or probation they would be eligible for a change of plea (a NG plea which the court accepts and the rap sheet so notes, but the original entry remains as part of the official record).

 

[saveliberty]

Wry, we agree, sure you don't want to change your position?

 

[Michelle420]

Then would any ex cons who had been arrested for selling weed have it taken off the record?

Would ex pot selling convicts be allowed to carry guns, gain employment in the FBI or other fields that the previous offense would automatically disclude them from pursuing?

No. They were culpable for a law violation and convicted (or diverted) by a court. That doesn't change simply because the law has changed. If they had completed successfully a period of diversion or probation they would be eligible for a change of plea (a NG plea which the court accepts and the rap sheet so notes, but the original entry remains as part of the official record).

Thanks for your reply.

I was thinking about when alcohol was illegal and wondered if bootleggers who were arrested during prohibition had their records cleared after prohibition ended and if so would it be the same for people who were non violent convicts who went to prison for selling pot.

Ex cons are barred from holding certain jobs, being a gun owner, performing in jury duty, etc etc, I think there is even a waiting period before they can vote in elections to but I am not sure on that one.

I am not an ex con I just know one and wondered about it.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Wry, we agree, sure you don't want to change your position?

Well, since you put it that way I'll post standing up.

 

[whitehall]

Granted pot-heads are not the most astute thinkers on the planet but they must know that the "legalization" of marijuana doesn't mean marijuana will be legal. Americans have been fighting over alcohol for two hundred years. We even had a rebellion over whiskey laws and you still are liable for arrest in the 21'st century if you make the stuff without a federal license. It's ironic that state and local government has all but shut down tobacco use with taxes and restrictive laws but the dreamers in the pot world think they are going to get a free ride when states "legalize" the weed. It ain't gonna happen.

 

[yidnar]

Considering the state of the economy and future prospects over the next 4 years, the legalization of THC is probably a good move, it will keep a vast number sedated to the point where they would not know any difference, plus they could tax it to death. Can you imagine the tax riots when they increase the tax on pot?

damn right !!!can you imagine what would happen if everybody got the munchies and cheetos reach 10 bucks a bag !!

 

[Michelle420]

Granted pot-heads are not the most astute thinkers on the planet but they must know that the "legalization" of marijuana doesn't mean marijuana will be legal. Americans have been fighting over alcohol for two hundred years. We even had a rebellion over whiskey laws and you still are liable for arrest in the 21'st century if you make the stuff without a federal license. It's ironic that state and local government has all but shut down tobacco use with taxes and restrictive laws but the dreamers in the pot world think they are going to get a free ride when states "legalize" the weed. It ain't gonna happen.

What is the main reason that the Feds do not want to legalize and regulate pot?

 

[whitehall]

Granted pot-heads are not the most astute thinkers on the planet but they must know that the "legalization" of marijuana doesn't mean marijuana will be legal. Americans have been fighting over alcohol for two hundred years. We even had a rebellion over whiskey laws and you still are liable for arrest in the 21'st century if you make the stuff without a federal license. It's ironic that state and local government has all but shut down tobacco use with taxes and restrictive laws but the dreamers in the pot world think they are going to get a free ride when states "legalize" the weed. It ain't gonna happen.

What is the main reason that the Feds do not want to legalize and regulate pot?

Even if you ignore allegations that marijuana is a gateway to harder drugs what's the point? You have to inhale the noxious stuff and it is probably worse than breathing in tobacco smoke. The feds are trying all sorts of propaganda and extortion schemes to force Americans to give up tobacco so why in the world would they want to open the door to another vice? The government probably spent more on regulating alcohol in the 2oth century than it was worth and they aren't about to establish a federal bureaucracy dedicated to regulating marijuana any more than they are interested in legalizing cocaine or meth. Get high at your own risk but don't think you will be able to make a buck by selling the stuff.

 

[Michelle420]

Granted pot-heads are not the most astute thinkers on the planet but they must know that the "legalization" of marijuana doesn't mean marijuana will be legal. Americans have been fighting over alcohol for two hundred years. We even had a rebellion over whiskey laws and you still are liable for arrest in the 21'st century if you make the stuff without a federal license. It's ironic that state and local government has all but shut down tobacco use with taxes and restrictive laws but the dreamers in the pot world think they are going to get a free ride when states "legalize" the weed. It ain't gonna happen.

What is the main reason that the Feds do not want to legalize and regulate pot?

Even if you ignore allegations that marijuana is a gateway to harder drugs what's the point? You have to inhale the noxious stuff and it is probably worse than breathing in tobacco smoke. The feds are trying all sorts of propaganda and extortion schemes to force Americans to give up tobacco so why in the world would they want to open the door to another vice? The government probably spent more on regulating alcohol in the 2oth century than it was worth and they aren't about to establish a federal bureaucracy dedicated to regulating marijuana any more than they are interested in legalizing cocaine or meth. Get high at your own risk but don't think you will be able to make a buck by selling the stuff.

Why did they decide to regulate alcohol then, what's the big difference in choosing to sell one and not the other?

 

[konradv]

Considering the state of the economy and future prospects over the next 4 years, the legalization of THC is probably a good move, it will keep a vast number sedated to the point where they would not know any difference, plus they could tax it to death. Can you imagine the tax riots when they increase the tax on pot?

From your post you'd have to assume there wouldn't be any because, "it will keep a vast number sedated to the point where they would not know any difference".

 

[Katzndogz]

A tax on pot is automatically going to make illegal sales more attractive. Collection of taxes is pretty much a losing argument. To impact illegal sales, pot would have to be free. Which might be the next step. If we are going to provide free birth control, why not free medical marijuana as well?

 

[whitehall]

Let's lay our cards on the table. Marijuana is a freaking weed. You can grow a decent sized bush in your backyard or your basement and smoke the junk until your brain leaks out of your ears. What the legalization network wants relates to good old capitalism. They can smoke the junk anytime they want but what they really want is to get rich with a little pot stand outside a high school.

 

[April]

Then would any ex cons who had been arrested for selling weed have it taken off the record?

Would ex pot selling convicts be allowed to carry guns, gain employment in the FBI or other fields that the previous offense would automatically disclude them from pursuing?

Very good question...imo, if there were some way to reverse the laws, it would take a while to get it passed.

Ex cons that spent time in prison for dealing in marijuana would have to follow the the laws in whatever state they reside, marijuana and gun laws vary state by state, and I am sure that those laws are being enforced no matter the reason for conviction...if a man or woman spent real time, as in years, in prison, they come out a different person...it's their history that determines whether or not they would be allowed to purchase, and carry a handgun.
Of course, this is my opinion on the matter.