If Obama stays pat, he's won the "Fiscal Cliff" battle.

[LordBrownTrout]

Isnt this exciting. We fjnally get to live through Jimmehs second term.

 

[Sallow]

We have to get serious about the National Debt, we need more spending cuts too. I think everyone should scarifice, rich, poor and in-between.

There are smart ways to cut spending and stupid ways.

Obama went with "smart" when he enacted the ACA..which saved about 750 Billion dollars in Medicare spending. Another good one was getting the banks out of student loans.

But of course people are going to grouse about those sorts of spending cuts. Since they are the real pork that enriches to the private sector.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

We have to get serious about the National Debt, we need more spending cuts too. I think everyone should scarifice, rich, poor and in-between.

I think it's about time the government sacrificed.

Im with you.

 

[BallsBrunswick]

I agree with you man. The two main reasons I voted Obama was the expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts and this country's removal from Afghanistan. When those two things happen I really feel our economy and our society will begin an ascent into prosperity and good things.

How exactly do you think taking more money away from people is going to create more prosperity? When has a government ever taxed us into wealth?

And since Obama has put more resources in Afghanistan, it doesn't seem like you are getting what you want.

The problem with this country today is the devaluing of the dollar which has resulted in a loss of wealth for the entire country regardless of class. The dollar has lost 35% of it value from the year 2000 and this inflation is the reason the middle class has been getting squeezed so hard. With the expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts and the changes in defense spending, this will be a huge step towards dealing with the national debt which along with over saturation is the chief thing fucking the dollar and the economy right now.

And aren't you a bitter mother.

 

[Sallow]

I agree with you man. The two main reasons I voted Obama was the expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts and this country's removal from Afghanistan. When those two things happen I really feel our economy and our society will begin an ascent into prosperity and good things.

How exactly do you think taking more money away from people is going to create more prosperity? When has a government ever taxed us into wealth?

And since Obama has put more resources in Afghanistan, it doesn't seem like you are getting what you want.

Reread your constitution.

Taxes are in there.

 

[Votto]

For the love of Obama, would someone please splain how tax increases help the economy.

 

[flacaltenn]

America voted for the massive shitstorm of taxation and healthcare costs that is about to rain down on them.

Let if fly.

I always love the "Let it burn!" sentiment from some conservatives. Like when Rush said he hoped Obama would fail despite what it would do to the country.

What's REALLY REALLY amusing is when some leftist like you WORRIES about America being destroyed by YOUR policies and the Progressive Revolution..

Evidently -- you have little confidence in your beliefs. Otherwise you could just shrug it off and giggle about how stupid those who oppose the REVOLUTION are......

FINALLY --- I'm hearing from the GOP what I suggested a year or more ago.. Give the Revolution EVERYTHING THEY WANT and more. Put their name on the carnage.

Voila --- no more Dem party..... Or at least no more Socialist Revolutionaries in the Dem party.

((See I just did the thing you love.. Are you worried that giving the babies what they crave is DESTRUCTIVE to America?))

 

[thereisnospoon]

And he may get what he wants in terms of the debt ceiling as well.

At this point, there is almost no upside to dealing with Republicans. Actually..there is none.

Once the Fiscal Cliff is done, so are they. They will lose the house in 2014.

Obama gets to sunset the Bush Tax cuts..and get the Defense cuts that were necessary to balance the budget. And he's got a great deal of leverage..since he can soften those.

Well played.

Personally..I didn't see this when the sequester deal was done.

I agree with you man. The two main reasons I voted Obama was the expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts and this country's removal from Afghanistan. When those two things happen I really feel our economy and our society will begin an ascent into prosperity and good things.

Please do some research. Go find where any modern society has been able to tax itself into prosperity.
Then, watch the JFK speech on taxation vs revenue on youtube.
Report back with your findings.
Lastly. No one cares how you "feel". Stop emoting and start THINKING.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

We have to get serious about the National Debt, we need more spending cuts too. I think everyone should scarifice, rich, poor and in-between.

There are smart ways to cut spending and stupid ways.

Obama went with "smart" when he enacted the ACA..which saved about 750 Billion dollars in Medicare spending. Another good one was getting the banks out of student loans.

But of course people are going to grouse about those sorts of spending cuts. Since they are the real pork that enriches to the private sector.

A govt program saving money?! Is your comedy act in town tonight, Sallow?

 

[BallsBrunswick]

And he may get what he wants in terms of the debt ceiling as well.

At this point, there is almost no upside to dealing with Republicans. Actually..there is none.

Once the Fiscal Cliff is done, so are they. They will lose the house in 2014.

Obama gets to sunset the Bush Tax cuts..and get the Defense cuts that were necessary to balance the budget. And he's got a great deal of leverage..since he can soften those.

Well played.

Personally..I didn't see this when the sequester deal was done.

I agree with you man. The two main reasons I voted Obama was the expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts and this country's removal from Afghanistan. When those two things happen I really feel our economy and our society will begin an ascent into prosperity and good things.

How will increased taxes and the troops coming home help the economy?

Yeah ending pointless wars that have been financial black holes and cost this country over 1.4 trillion since their inception and then actually having a dick and paying for them (which the Bush Administration didn't) will do absolutely nothing to fix the economy.

 

[Sallow]

We have to get serious about the National Debt, we need more spending cuts too. I think everyone should scarifice, rich, poor and in-between.

There are smart ways to cut spending and stupid ways.

Obama went with "smart" when he enacted the ACA..which saved about 750 Billion dollars in Medicare spending. Another good one was getting the banks out of student loans.

But of course people are going to grouse about those sorts of spending cuts. Since they are the real pork that enriches to the private sector.

A govt program saving money?! Is your comedy act in town tonight, Sallow?

Funny..that's exactly what it did.

I sat on a jury which was hauling a pharmacist into to court for fraud and peddling drugs. This was made possible by the ACA, which funded a brand new Unit in medicare that worked just on these sorts of cases in tandem with the police. They set up a sting operation that nailed this guy. Turns out he bilked the government of nearly 50 grand in one year.

And that's just one guy.

 

[Votto]

I agree with you man. The two main reasons I voted Obama was the expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts and this country's removal from Afghanistan. When those two things happen I really feel our economy and our society will begin an ascent into prosperity and good things.

How exactly do you think taking more money away from people is going to create more prosperity? When has a government ever taxed us into wealth?

And since Obama has put more resources in Afghanistan, it doesn't seem like you are getting what you want.

The problem with this country today is the devaluing of the dollar which has resulted in a loss of wealth for the entire country regardless of class. The dollar has lost 35% of it value from the year 2000 and this inflation is the reason the middle class has been getting squeezed so hard. With the expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts and the changes in defense spending, this will be a huge step towards dealing with the national debt which along with over saturation is the chief thing fucking the dollar and the economy right now.

And aren't you a bitter mother.

I've pointed out this article before, and I'll do it again.

Cox and Archer: Why $16 Trillion Only Hints at the True U.S. Debt - WSJ.com

The real debt is about $86 trillion, not $16. The government cooks the books. To think that a few billion dollars in tax revenue amounts to anything is retarded.

If Obama balances a budget or even comes close to it I'll kiss his black arse. There is zero chance of it ever happening. In fact, when the democrats take the House I'll be shocked if they even pass a budget.

 

[Crackerjack]

I agree with you man. The two main reasons I voted Obama was the expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts and this country's removal from Afghanistan. When those two things happen I really feel our economy and our society will begin an ascent into prosperity and good things.

How will increased taxes and the troops coming home help the economy?

Yeah ending pointless wars that have been financial black holes and cost this country over 1.4 trillion since their inception and then actually having a dick and paying for them (which the Bush Administration didn't) will do absolutely nothing to fix the economy.

It'll be hell on defense contractors.

Sadly, neither party can muster the balls to tell the military-industrial complex to take a walk and turn around and get our kids out of there.

 

[Amelia]

America voted for the massive shitstorm of taxation and healthcare costs that is about to rain down on them.

Let if fly.

I always love the "Let it burn!" sentiment from some conservatives. Like when Rush said he hoped Obama would fail despite what it would do to the country.

How many years are you going to hold that lie close to your heart?

Rush said he hoped Obama would fail to accomplish his agenda because it would be bad for the country if Obama succeeded.







On the other hand, some days I'm in the "Let it burn" camp because people like you believed/pushed lies like the one you just told here and reelected Obama. Elections do have consequences, and since America elected Obama even after seeing him in action for four years, America deserves the continued stagnation promised by an Obama presidency.

 

[thereisnospoon]

We have to get serious about the National Debt, we need more spending cuts too. I think everyone should scarifice, rich, poor and in-between.

There are smart ways to cut spending and stupid ways.

Obama went with "smart" when he enacted the ACA..which saved about 750 Billion dollars in Medicare spending. Another good one was getting the banks out of student loans.

But of course people are going to grouse about those sorts of spending cuts. Since they are the real pork that enriches to the private sector.

That's funny. Obama "saves" 3/4's of a trillion bucks by spending $2.6 Trillion..
Yep, left wing math.
You people are very funny. In one rant you are screaming about cuts to medicare. On the other, you are cheering for the gutting of medicare.
Left wing math. Where a reduction in an increase is viewed as a "cut".
Without looking it up, explain the term "baseline budgeting".
Don't look it up. I will be able to tell if you did.
The answer you give is key. Goes to your credibility.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

We have to get serious about the National Debt, we need more spending cuts too. I think everyone should scarifice, rich, poor and in-between.

True, but any serious debt reduction must include tax increases, anyone who says otherwise is a fool or a liar.

If going over the ‘cliff’ is the only way to compel republicans to see reason, then so be it.

 

[Votto]

I agree with you man. The two main reasons I voted Obama was the expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts and this country's removal from Afghanistan. When those two things happen I really feel our economy and our society will begin an ascent into prosperity and good things.

How will increased taxes and the troops coming home help the economy?

Yeah ending pointless wars that have been financial black holes and cost this country over 1.4 trillion since their inception and then actually having a dick and paying for them (which the Bush Administration didn't) will do absolutely nothing to fix the economy.

Don't get me wrong, the wars abroad are retarded. What you fail to realize, however, is that Obama escalated the war in Afghanistan and started another in Libya. It is merely a result of a government out of control. It is the result of a centralized power hungry government you wish to give more money and power to.

Enjoy!!

 

[SniperFire]

America voted for the massive shitstorm of taxation and healthcare costs that is about to rain down on them.

Let if fly.

I always love the "Let it burn!" sentiment from some conservatives. Like when Rush said he hoped Obama would fail despite what it would do to the country.

Tard, didn't you read the OP?

Swallow says Obama wins when the middle class gets destroyed here.

 

[Votto]

We have to get serious about the National Debt, we need more spending cuts too. I think everyone should scarifice, rich, poor and in-between.

True, but any serious debt reduction must include tax increases, anyone who says otherwise is a fool or a liar.

If going over the ‘cliff’ is the only way to compel republicans to see reason, then so be it.

The financial cliff is retarded. It's all monopoly money and backed by nothing and anyone suggesting balancing the books is deemed a Tea Party extremist. The rhetoric to increase taxes on the rich is purely demagoguery. It is nothing but punitive.

 

[Avatar4321]

We have to get serious about the National Debt, we need more spending cuts too. I think everyone should scarifice, rich, poor and in-between.

There are smart ways to cut spending and stupid ways.

Obama went with "smart" when he enacted the ACA..which saved about 750 Billion dollars in Medicare spending. Another good one was getting the banks out of student loans.

But of course people are going to grouse about those sorts of spending cuts. Since they are the real pork that enriches to the private sector.

How does spending trillions more by enacting another entitlement cut spending?