If Democrats ignore health-care polls, midterms will be costly

[MaggieMae]

The road to REAL reform is wide open.

The leading dems won't follow it, they insist on their backroom designed bribe fest.

It will be their downfall, and this mess will never survive, they can pass it, but it will be repealed.

Not all of it.

Reid Bill Says Future Congresses Cannot Repeal Parts of Reid Bill | The Weekly Standard

Doesn't matter what he says, no congress can create binding legislation, its unconstitutional.

WHOT? Once a bill is signed, it becomes an Act and until challenged before the USSC is binding legislation.

 

[MaggieMae]

Dems did what they always do ... overplay their hand, in-fight, and roundly fuck up a cup of coffee.

Reps did what they always do ... live in hyperbole, do anything they can to the cloud the debate, demonize, and pretend they are willing to compromise.

The end result is we all get screwed.

This is purely a wedge-issue intended to cause divisions.

If the Repugs fight it they will be called obstructionists.

If the Dems continue to push it through they will be accused of not listening to the voters.

The fact of the matter is that this bill that nobody can read at the moment is being done in secrecy and does not do anything to address the problems that Democrats claim it addresses. Nancy Pelosi even admits that we have to wait till it's passed to find out all of the wonderful things it does....which means even she isn't sure what it will do. Sorry...but that's not good enough.

And the only ones pretending to be willing to compromise is the party in power....which Obama so clearly showed us after 4 hours of wasted debate.

Health care is a "wedge issue." Yeah, right. If you look at some of the older polls before the economy tanked, it was the #2 priority listed. If you look at some of the current polls, a majority of Americans still want some form of health care overhaul. Don't mistake the poll numbers indicating they don't want THIS one to mean they don't want anything to happen.

 

[MaggieMae]

this isn't a partisan issue here folks, niether the dems or reps give a flying fig about you, and consider you parasites.

HC is an up/down issue, not right or left

~S~

No ones arguing what healthcare is as far as up or down....all of the citizenry in this country know that we need reform.

What we don't need is the type of bribery, secret meetings in the cloakroom, backdoor deals for unions, in a bill written by progressives that will plunge the country another 10 trillion dollars in debt.

I just don't understand how you Democrats let these whackos hijack your party!!!! Only a fucking idiot believes ALL AMERICANS paying taxes for 10 years and getting 6 years worth of benefits is a good deal for the country.

All of you proponents of the current bill have been suckered by the progressives to tow the party line...how pathetic is that after what you saw during the Bush years?

You can use your rant and apply it to how the Part D drug bill got pushed through. Every single one of your points above were EXACTLY how the Republicans did it. Were you that upset at the time?

 

[MaggieMae]

You gotta do what ya gotta do

When the Republicans were in control, they had an agenda and passed that agenda regardless of the consequences. They paid the consequences but passed their agenda. Even today, they vote NO on every bill and say the hell with the consequences.

Democrats are just a bunch of pussies

Well RW. The Dems didn't need or want anything from the Reps. In fact. They basically shut them out of the process. They had a SUPERMAJORITY. They didn't need any help at all to pass this clusterfuck of a bill.

They didn't get it done because they were to busy being bought off by their own party to vote yes. Even with that they still couldn't pass it with their SUPERMAJORITY.

I don't know about being pussies but they sure are the party of ineptitude..

I totally agree

Republicans seem to acomplish more with a minority than the Dems can with a Super Majority

Their political strategy has always been better. Repubicans will unite as one body, one voice, which gets louder and louder and eventually drowns out reason to the point everyone else figures they must be right.

 

[The Rabbi]

What planet are you on?
The Dems early on shut the Republicans out of the process. Obama met with them once I think in Febraury last year. And not again until the dog and pony a couple of weeks ago. In the meantime the WH did everything to get rid of GOP input. They managed to alienate Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, two reliable GOP votes for anything the Dems push down the pike.
The only impetus for Obama to "compromise" (and there wasnt much, if any) was Scott Brown's election.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Well RW. The Dems didn't need or want anything from the Reps. In fact. They basically shut them out of the process. They had a SUPERMAJORITY. They didn't need any help at all to pass this clusterfuck of a bill.

They didn't get it done because they were to busy being bought off by their own party to vote yes. Even with that they still couldn't pass it with their SUPERMAJORITY.

I don't know about being pussies but they sure are the party of ineptitude..

I totally agree

Republicans seem to acomplish more with a minority than the Dems can with a Super Majority

Their political strategy has always been better. Repubicans will unite as one body, one voice, which gets louder and louder and eventually drowns out reason to the point everyone else figures they must be right.

How delusional. But, run with that at the mid-terms.

 

[Murf76]

"This isn't 1994; it's 2010."

Democrats know they're going to take a midterm hit. I think they even understand that "comprehensive healthcare" is a loser either way they go. What they haven't figured out.... is that Barack Obama is no Bill Clinton.

They think they'll come back in 2012. They won't.

Bill Clinton had his success by working with a Republican Congress. He's smarter than Barack. More pragmatic. We didn't call him "Slick Willie" for nothing. Bill knew how to 'live to fight another day'. Bill had nearly 12 years of executive experience of compromising with a legislative body.

Barry, on the other hand, has no compromise or bipartisanship in him. He's got no experience to draw on. He's a hopeless ideologue who has made extravagant promises to his base and is so emotionally insecure that he doesn't understand that it's the MIDDLE he needs to be worrying about.

Both these men are narcissistic in their tendencies, but Bill had self-confidence which reflected in his actions. Both are partisan, but Bill understood that executive leadership doesn't lend itself to uncompromising partisan policy, that in order to get a win, he had to let the other guy win too.

This is NOT 1994.. and these House Democrats who are sacrificing themselves for "The Cause", are going to have done it for NOTHING.

Of course you forget that Barack Obama has no Newt Gingrich to work with either. Find me one Republican who isn't afraid to compromise. Lindsey Graham comes closest, yet he's immediately labeled a RHINO and thus has to worry about his own chances of reelection. When it's this bad, there IS no compromise, period. Obama recognizes that.

Maggie, Obama could have walked out of that "Healthcare Summit" with the outline of a new bill in hand. All he had to do was drop the attitude and start fresh.

Bottom line, there ARE a few things that both sides agree on. But starting with those wouldn't get the Big Insurance companies all the young, warm bodies they were promised, would it?

 

[driveby]

You gotta do what ya gotta do

When the Republicans were in control, they had an agenda and passed that agenda regardless of the consequences. They paid the consequences but passed their agenda. Even today, they vote NO on every bill and say the hell with the consequences.

Democrats are just a bunch of pussies

Well RW. The Dems didn't need or want anything from the Reps. In fact. They basically shut them out of the process. They had a SUPERMAJORITY. They didn't need any help at all to pass this clusterfuck of a bill.

They didn't get it done because they were to busy being bought off by their own party to vote yes. Even with that they still couldn't pass it with their SUPERMAJORITY.

I don't know about being pussies but they sure are the party of ineptitude..

See to me all of that goes to the fact that the Democrats (Obama in particular) WERE wanting to compromise.

puff puff give .......

 

[Xenophon]

Not all of it.

Reid Bill Says Future Congresses Cannot Repeal Parts of Reid Bill | The Weekly Standard

Doesn't matter what he says, no congress can create binding legislation, its unconstitutional.

WHOT? Once a bill is signed, it becomes an Act and until challenged before the USSC is binding legislation.

Wrong, any house and senate can change any law that is not part of the constitution by the normal procedure, which is a house and senate vote pass followed by a POTUS signature.


Its astounding how many of you don't understand basic civics of your own country.

 

[Oldandtired]

Not all of it.

Reid Bill Says Future Congresses Cannot Repeal Parts of Reid Bill | The Weekly Standard

Doesn't matter what he says, no congress can create binding legislation, its unconstitutional.

WHOT? Once a bill is signed, it becomes an Act and until challenged before the USSC is binding legislation.

Huh?
Maggie? You sue you want to keep this post on here?
Are you aware of the process of reconciliation?
Changes can be made AFTER the POTUS signs it into law.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Democrats have nothing to gain by not passing healthcare reform.

 

[The Rabbi]

The Democrats have nothing to gain by not passing healthcare reform.

Except integrity. But they lost that a long time ago.
They have nothing to gain by passing it either. It's a lose-lose situation.

 

[rightwinger]

The Democrats have nothing to gain by not passing healthcare reform.

Not passing costs them Democratic votes for failing to accomplish what they had promised.

If they pass it the Republicans can no longer run against the bill. They have to run on a "I want to take back your healthcare" platform

Reconciliation NOW

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Democrats have nothing to gain by not passing healthcare reform.

Not passing costs them Democratic votes for failing to accomplish what they had promised.

If they pass it the Republicans can no longer run against the bill. They have to run on a "I want to take back your healthcare" platform

Reconciliation NOW

They pass the bill, then use reconciliation to take some of the less agreeable portions out of it, and they'll be in fairly good shape. Most people won't even be affected in any significant way by the bill.

 

[Murf76]

Not passing costs them Democratic votes for failing to accomplish what they had promised.

A government takeover of our entire healthcare industry is NOT what Democrats ran on. Obama campaigned for allowing Americans access to the same policies Congress has. It was Hillary who ran on compulsory coverage, not Obama.

These people have missed their supposed "mandate". Obama promised to "change the way Washington does business", to clean up the corruption and the partisanship. Instead, he's given us MORE of everything we already hated about Washington politics.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Not passing costs them Democratic votes for failing to accomplish what they had promised.

A government takeover of our entire healthcare industry is NOT what Democrats ran on. Obama campaigned for allowing Americans access to the same policies Congress has. It was Hillary who ran on compulsory coverage, not Obama.

These people have missed their supposed "mandate". Obama promised to "change the way Washington does business", to clean up the corruption and the partisanship. Instead, he's given us MORE of everything we already hated about Washington politics.

Government takeover is nonsense. This bill is no such thing. 'Government takeover' is right there with the 'death panel' nonsense.

 

[rightwinger]

Not passing costs them Democratic votes for failing to accomplish what they had promised.

A government takeover of our entire healthcare industry is NOT what Democrats ran on. Obama campaigned for allowing Americans access to the same policies Congress has. It was Hillary who ran on compulsory coverage, not Obama.

These people have missed their supposed "mandate". Obama promised to "change the way Washington does business", to clean up the corruption and the partisanship. Instead, he's given us MORE of everything we already hated about Washington politics.

OK Murph

I'm calling you on it. Show me where the Bill is a "Government Takeover"

 

[Murf76]

Government takeover is nonsense. This bill is no such thing. 'Government takeover' is right there with the 'death panel' nonsense.

159 Ways the Senate Bill Is a Government Takeover of Health Care - Blog - GOP.gov

 

[Oldandtired]

Not passing costs them Democratic votes for failing to accomplish what they had promised.

A government takeover of our entire healthcare industry is NOT what Democrats ran on. Obama campaigned for allowing Americans access to the same policies Congress has. It was Hillary who ran on compulsory coverage, not Obama.

These people have missed their supposed "mandate". Obama promised to "change the way Washington does business", to clean up the corruption and the partisanship. Instead, he's given us MORE of everything we already hated about Washington politics.

OK Murph

I'm calling you on it. Show me where the Bill is a "Government Takeover"

Quite simple....

Take out "pre-existing conditions" clauses and not a single insurer will survive. It will be impossible.

And all will be forced into a government plan.

I suggest the congress and the administration call it what it is and explain why....and people may support it.

It is a long term government takeover of healthcare...and for good or bad, it will cost all of us a fortune.

 

[Oldandtired]

Not passing costs them Democratic votes for failing to accomplish what they had promised.

A government takeover of our entire healthcare industry is NOT what Democrats ran on. Obama campaigned for allowing Americans access to the same policies Congress has. It was Hillary who ran on compulsory coverage, not Obama.

These people have missed their supposed "mandate". Obama promised to "change the way Washington does business", to clean up the corruption and the partisanship. Instead, he's given us MORE of everything we already hated about Washington politics.

Government takeover is nonsense. This bill is no such thing. 'Government takeover' is right there with the 'death panel' nonsense.

You seem to know very little about risk management as it pertains to insurance.