If and when SCOTUS throws out all or part of HCA who will you blame?

[Pho_King]

"Originated with" means that they were the first major political party to introduce a health reform package built on an individual mandate. That's indisputable fact, their 1993 legislation is still sitting on the internet at the Library of Congress website. The individual mandate was the right's answer to the left's preference for an employer mandate (as in the Clinton plan).

If that is your definition of "originated with", then ok. But it is not how I use the term.

What other meaning of the word is there in the context of legislative action? Congress doesn't generate policy ideas, they generate legislation. There's a whole other policy apparatus for generating policy itself--and, yes, that even includes hack organizations like Heritage.
I don't know of anyone who disputes that the individual mandate found its way into Congress and legislation via the GOP after being trumpeted by one of their policy farms. I don't know that this is an important fact, but it's a funny little quirk of recent political history.

On the first bolded- fine. I agree with you. But there is a very firm basis for stating that the idea of the individual mandate was one originated by the GOP. When clearly, the foundation for that is that the Heritage foundation conceptualized it first. And my strong suspicion is that the Heritage foundation did not create the idea out of whole cloth. The best that can be said is that in the history of US congressional legislative action- it was first introduced by the GOP. Thats the funny thing about words. They have meanings that can be distorted through context. i prefer clarity. hence my objection to the false claim.

 

[Pho_King]

When all else fails, play semantics games! Weeeeeeee!!

its called clarity of argument. And its a good thing in a debate.

Except thats not what he's trying to do. Stick around, you'll see.

He did the exact same thing I did. Properly point out that the original conceptualization, or idea of the individual mandate was misplaced.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yes, Obamacare. Why do you think they included the mandate? It is impossible to coerce people into an insurance system without coercing the people who least need health insurance. The alternative is skyrocketing costs and insolvency.

Next time try answering the question I asked.

FAIL

The question was clearly answered. Go look at the Heritage suggested mandate for more info.

Well jake since the 9th and 10th amendments were written into the Constitution via the bill of rights what are the usage of those amendments surely they have a purpose. How would they be applied?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

If anyone is honest it is the first choice...well sort of.
The first choice should have been - Obama, for campaigning on it - but then handing it over to the carp and minnows in the House and Senate - and walking away.
He simply placed the whole thing at Nancy and Reids lap and vanished.

 

[Rshermr]

We could talk at length about Heritage, has a well documented past. I know a local Tea Party guy that Heratage flew to the east coast for "training". He now has all the answers, never has to check facts. Just another RW tool.
Relative to the legality of Obomacare, as you like to call it, most US courts have found it constitutional, but the Supreme Court is made up of politicians in robes, so who knows for sure where it will come down on the issue.
Relative to the cost of health care, and the reason that the Affordable Health Care Act is important, please consider that the cost of health care is higher in the US than anywhere else in the world, with one or two exceptions (couple of war torn African nations most of us never heard of). We pay over twice what the average industrialized nations citizens do. By the way, the US is ranked well down the list of the Industrialized nations in health care quality.

 

[JakeStarkey]

bigrebnc, I am giving you an assignment. Don't be lazy and look up why the 9th and 10th amendments were written into the Constitution via the bill of rights. What are their role today? Be sure to check SCOTUS rulings before answering.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

bigrebnc, I am giving you an assignment. Don't be lazy and look up why the 9th and 10th amendments were written into the Constitution via the bill of rights. What are their role today? Be sure to check SCOTUS rulings before answering.

Well jake since the 9th and 10th amendments were written into the Constitution via the bill of rights what are the usage of those amendments surely they have a purpose. How would they be applied?

 

[LogikAndReazon]

We need a true , free, socialist ,universal, collective, public option, welfare system for all !!!!

For the "public good"................lol

 

[bigrebnc1775]

We need a true , free, socialist ,universal, collective, public option, welfare system for all !!!!

For the "public good"................lol

Who will fund it?

 

[Seawytch]

its called clarity of argument. And its a good thing in a debate.

Except thats not what he's trying to do. Stick around, you'll see.

He did the exact same thing I did. Properly point out that the original conceptualization, or idea of the individual mandate was misplaced.

Really? So whose idea was it?

 

[Pho_King]

Except thats not what he's trying to do. Stick around, you'll see.

He did the exact same thing I did. Properly point out that the original conceptualization, or idea of the individual mandate was misplaced.

Really? So whose idea was it?

I am not sure. But I know that before the idea was put forth by the GOP, it was elucidated by the Heritage Foundation. And that is all that is needed to demonstrate the inaccuracy of stating that the individual mandate was an idea created by the GOP.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Why isn't the left voting in this poll?

Waiting for the official talking points post decision?

 

[The Rabbi]

Except thats not what he's trying to do. Stick around, you'll see.

He did the exact same thing I did. Properly point out that the original conceptualization, or idea of the individual mandate was misplaced.

Really? So whose idea was it?

The Democrats this time. Nothing said they had to write into the bill. And they were certainly the first ones to write the mandate into a bill. No one else would ahve been that stupid.

 

[Polk]

He did the exact same thing I did. Properly point out that the original conceptualization, or idea of the individual mandate was misplaced.

Really? So whose idea was it?

The Democrats this time. Nothing said they had to write into the bill. And they were certainly the first ones to write the mandate into a bill. No one else would ahve been that stupid.

Really? The Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993 would beg to differ.

 

[JakeStarkey]

bigrebnc, I am giving you an assignment. Don't be lazy and look up why the 9th and 10th amendments were written into the Constitution via the bill of rights. What are their role today? Be sure to check SCOTUS rulings before answering.

Well jake since the 9th and 10th amendments were written into the Constitution via the bill of rights what are the usage of those amendments surely they have a purpose. How would they be applied?

You are being lazy. How are they are used today? what about DOMA?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

bigrebnc, I am giving you an assignment. Don't be lazy and look up why the 9th and 10th amendments were written into the Constitution via the bill of rights. What are their role today? Be sure to check SCOTUS rulings before answering.

Well jake since the 9th and 10th amendments were written into the Constitution via the bill of rights what are the usage of those amendments surely they have a purpose. How would they be applied?

You are being lazy. How are they are used today? what about DOMA?

Well jake since the 9th and 10th amendments were written into the Constitution via the bill of rights what are the usage of those amendments surely they have a purpose. How would they be applied?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Answer the question, because you are not going to be allowed to continue spamming.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Answer the question, because you are not going to be allowed to continue spamming.

Well jake since the 9th and 10th amendments were written into the Constitution via the bill of rights what are the usage of those amendments surely they have a purpose. How would they be applied?

 

[The Rabbi]

Really? So whose idea was it?

The Democrats this time. Nothing said they had to write into the bill. And they were certainly the first ones to write the mandate into a bill. No one else would ahve been that stupid.

Really? The Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993 would beg to differ.

Look at the legislative history. It is dishonest to say "The GOP introduced this legislation."
Not that that's ever stopped you.
Are the Democrats so enamored of the '93 GOP Congress that they slavishly imitate their every bill?

 

[Polk]

You were the one claiming Democrats were the first ones to write the individual mandate into a bill, even though the Republicans had done it more than a decade prior.