CDZ I want to know something

[Disir]

So, you're kellyanne goebbels?

nooooooo.... i am saying kellyanne goebbels is kellyanne goebbels.

It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded until they clothe ideas and disguise.
~ joeseph goebbels



"You're saying it's a falsehood and Sean Spicer, our press secretary, gave alternative facts to that.
~ kellyanne goebbels.

Get back to me when you stop posting an article you cannot manage to defend.

try going thru my post regarding the tenets of fascism,which is the premise of this thread.

go ahead & pick off them off one by one by posting your own unbiased valid 'alternative facts'.... & don't forget #6.

I already did address it. You deflected. It's why I don't pay attention to you anymore.

no you didn't. but i get why you want to bail.

Yeah, I did and it was in the flame zone.

 

[playtime]

nooooooo.... i am saying kellyanne goebbels is kellyanne goebbels.

It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded until they clothe ideas and disguise.
~ joeseph goebbels



"You're saying it's a falsehood and Sean Spicer, our press secretary, gave alternative facts to that.
~ kellyanne goebbels.

Get back to me when you stop posting an article you cannot manage to defend.

try going thru my post regarding the tenets of fascism,which is the premise of this thread.

go ahead & pick off them off one by one by posting your own unbiased valid 'alternative facts'.... & don't forget #6.

I already did address it. You deflected. It's why I don't pay attention to you anymore.

no you didn't. but i get why you want to bail.

Yeah, I did and it was in the flame zone.

i deflected it the flame zone?

 

[Disir]

Get back to me when you stop posting an article you cannot manage to defend.

try going thru my post regarding the tenets of fascism,which is the premise of this thread.

go ahead & pick off them off one by one by posting your own unbiased valid 'alternative facts'.... & don't forget #6.

I already did address it. You deflected. It's why I don't pay attention to you anymore.

no you didn't. but i get why you want to bail.

Yeah, I did and it was in the flame zone.

i deflected it the flame zone?

Ya. It's when I realized you really don't have anything of value to say. You just run around make claims, point at a link and then move on to do it to someone else. That's your MO.

And that's fine but for myself it's a waste of time.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Just how can you possibly compare President Trump to Hitler? Or any dictator or murderer? What motivates that? I'm plainly curious.

Out of pure stupidity!

Same individuals compared George W. Bush to Hitler and some on the right compared Obama to Mao and Stalin.

It is typical partisan nonsense!

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Hitler was a fascist. Trump has an authoritarian attitude toward ruling. He admires authoritarian leaders like Putin and whats-his-face in Syria. He began a very similar campaign to Hitler's to discredit the media (a great way to start controlling information). Trump seems to have a certain mistrust of outsiders, which is certainly not to the extent of Hitler's hatred of Jews, but Mexicans and Muslims sure do seem to be "trouble makers" he'd like to get out of the country, doesn't it? Just similarities. No one should be compared to Hitler. It disrespects the horror people went through on account of that man.

The day when Trump help other nations to genocide millions of innocent people like Japan, USSR, and Germany did during World War II then maybe I will agree that Trump is like Hitler...

Also let be factual America has it own genocide history with the Native Americans that can rival Hitler Genocide era!

 

[Mac1958]

i gave you factual examples NOT opinions. if you cannot dispute them, i understand.

You provided examples, indeed, of generalizations that you chose to extend. Examples:

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
And who, precisely, is the judge of "disdain" and "fear" and "looking the other way", when NO President can try to save everyone in every situation? You? Those are opinions, not facts.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
And who, precisely, is the judge of "supremacy" and "disproportionate" and "glamorized"? You? Any President can be said to be guilty of that. Those are opinions, not facts.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
And who, precisely, is the judge of "control", in the age of the internet and myriad news outlets? You? Trump & Co will certainly do what they can, but they can't do much. That is a subjective term, not an objective term.

You're choosing to post "similarities" and extrapolate them out to the extreme. That's not being factual, that's being subjective.

It's intellectually dishonest, it's counter-productive, and it's an insult to the millions of people and families who suffered under those monsters.
.

 

[usmbguest5318]

There are some similarities between Trump's and Hitler's ascension to power, but not between the men themselves. (Hitler was an underachiever who relied on the Nazi organization to carry him to power, whereas Trump is an overachiever who was elected almost solely on his own efforts.) Ironically, the real similarities are between the weak and corrupt Weimar Republic and the weak and corrupt Obama Administration, both of which were leading their citizens to social and financial ruin.

I don't know what makes you see Trump as an overachiever. Surely not the fact that he's very wealthy? Look at the man's life and you'll be able to see that for the entirety of it he's had disproportionately more failures than have his peers. The man was a derelict child and was sent to what amounted to reform school for rich kids. The man has had an unprecedented quantity of lawsuits against him. The man managed to fail running numerous business ventures, to say nothing of somehow having to declare bankruptcy for multiple casinos, which are businesses so well favored by cash flows that even being a mediocre manager of them is enough to maintain them as going concerns. Trump's casino failures are all the more astounding when one considers that a material portion of the casino business is hospitality, a business in which Trump already had experience, thus enhancing a hotel with a casino should have "childsplay" for him. Yet he went belly up.

• http://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091.html
  
• A Complete List of Donald Trump’s Business Disasters
  
• Warren Buffett on Donald Trump's Business Failures

I'm not trying to take away from the fact that Trump has been financially successful. He has. The bulk of his financial success has come from branding and licensing his name recognition and persona, not by running so-called operating companies, though he has run some. So, yes, I give him his due for recognizing that the major commodity he has to trade on his the brand he created with his 1980s and 1990s grandiloquence and parlaying it into licensing and television ventures. But I'm not going to label his acts of extravagant excess that both created that image and that as operating businesses more often failed than thrived as indicative of overachievement.

What I'm saying is that achievers, overachievers especially, don't fail nearly as often as Trump. Trump is an "over-tryer" not an overachiever. It's true he has tried to run a wide assortment of companies, all of which trade on the brand appeal of the Trump name, but almost none of which he actually lead to profitability. Even his son's winery shows a profit, whereas in a similar field, for example, we see Donald Trump did not profitably produce and sell steaks, vodka or bottled water. Trump is rich and he has successfully marketed the Trump brand, but the only reason he's not completely failed is because he's got a handful of very valuable real property holdings that he didn't leverage to the point that he lost title to them. Some may call that wise, and I have to agree it is. Is it so wise that it merits the term "overachiever?" Not even close. Overachievement requires far more than merely "not royally f*ciking up."

 

[OldLady]

These ridiculous comparisons to Hitler and the Nazis by BOTH ends are an insult to the millions who suffered and died. But our wingers don't care..

i care very much & drumpf is more akin to mussolini but either way he is a certainly a dictator in the making. i gave a valid non biased link & many examples of what a dictator is & compared them to factual trump's words & deeds.....

I believe that you believe that.
.

dispute it then... one by one by proving them wrong.... one by one.

Any partisan can draw similarities between someone from the other "side" and a bad character from the past. It really isn't that difficult.

That doesn't make it relevant or helpful or constructive.
.

I agree with what you posted earlier, Mac, about the "wingers" on both ends, but Playtime's article does have a point. It was the question raised in the OP and the article addresses it. It is why some people are actually "frightened" and "hysterical" in reaction to Trump's election.

 

[OldLady]

Hitler was a fascist. Trump has an authoritarian attitude toward ruling. He admires authoritarian leaders like Putin and whats-his-face in Syria. He began a very similar campaign to Hitler's to discredit the media (a great way to start controlling information). Trump seems to have a certain mistrust of outsiders, which is certainly not to the extent of Hitler's hatred of Jews, but Mexicans and Muslims sure do seem to be "trouble makers" he'd like to get out of the country, doesn't it? Just similarities. No one should be compared to Hitler. It disrespects the horror people went through on account of that man.

The day when Trump help other nations to genocide millions of innocent people like Japan, USSR, and Germany did during World War II then maybe I will agree that Trump is like Hitler...

Also let be factual America has it own genocide history with the Native Americans that can rival Hitler Genocide era!

I don't agree Trump is Hitler, Bruce. I see he has authoritarian leadership tendencies, and has gone down a questionable path about outsiders and the media. I don't think the man would ever want to commit cold blooded genocide.
Although I agree we were pretty horrid to the indigenous peoples, 75% of them died from germs, which was completely unintentional on our part. I think it's a bit much to say we were like Hitler on that one. Some of my frontier ancestors were attacked by Native Americans, their homes burned out and some taken captive or killed. And that was in New England, where things were relatively "peaceful." There was actually a bit of a "war" going on.

 

[anotherlife]

Just how can you possibly compare President Trump to Hitler? Or any dictator or murderer? What motivates that? I'm plainly curious.

It is because Obama used to be hitler, only that now he is gone, we have this new one trump hitler. We all need a fuhrer, don't you? .

Hillary was even being called "hitler" when she is actually more like Mao.

Yes but the centralized American power brokers don't want people to make that connection, they aspire to it themselves.

 

[Mac1958]

These ridiculous comparisons to Hitler and the Nazis by BOTH ends are an insult to the millions who suffered and died. But our wingers don't care..

i care very much & drumpf is more akin to mussolini but either way he is a certainly a dictator in the making. i gave a valid non biased link & many examples of what a dictator is & compared them to factual trump's words & deeds.....

I believe that you believe that.
.

dispute it then... one by one by proving them wrong.... one by one.

Any partisan can draw similarities between someone from the other "side" and a bad character from the past. It really isn't that difficult.

That doesn't make it relevant or helpful or constructive.
.

I agree with what you posted earlier, Mac, about the "wingers" on both ends, but Playtime's article does have a point. It was the question raised in the OP and the article addresses it. It is why some people are actually "frightened" and "hysterical" in reaction to Trump's election.

I actually don't disagree. The problem is that hyperbole in response only makes things worse.

I'm concerned too, sure as hell. Nothing that Trump has done so far has made me regret voting against him. I just don't think that hysteria is a smart or lasting basis on which to base opposition.

And also, in general, I don't like seeing important words, actions and events diluted and trivialized. If everyone is a Nazi, no one is a Nazi. Or a racist. Or a communist. It's like we're being intellectually lazy in the way we're approaching rhetoric, and just reaching for the easiest convenient extreme doesn't really help anything.
.

 

[OldLady]

i care very much & drumpf is more akin to mussolini but either way he is a certainly a dictator in the making. i gave a valid non biased link & many examples of what a dictator is & compared them to factual trump's words & deeds.....

I believe that you believe that.
.

dispute it then... one by one by proving them wrong.... one by one.

Any partisan can draw similarities between someone from the other "side" and a bad character from the past. It really isn't that difficult.

That doesn't make it relevant or helpful or constructive.
.

I agree with what you posted earlier, Mac, about the "wingers" on both ends, but Playtime's article does have a point. It was the question raised in the OP and the article addresses it. It is why some people are actually "frightened" and "hysterical" in reaction to Trump's election.

I actually don't disagree. The problem is that hyperbole in response only makes things worse.

I'm concerned too, sure as hell. Nothing that Trump has done so far has made me regret voting against him. I just don't think that hysteria is a smart or lasting basis on which to base opposition.

And also, in general, I don't like seeing important words, actions and events diluted and trivialized. If everyone is a Nazi, no one is a Nazi. Or a racist. Or a communist. It's like we're being intellectually lazy in the way we're approaching rhetoric, and just reaching for the easiest convenient extreme doesn't really help anything.
.

Speaking of hyperbole, although I'm not a Democrat, I strongly suggest (beg?) they get rid of Pelosi. She is embarrassing.

 

[playtime]

try going thru my post regarding the tenets of fascism,which is the premise of this thread.

go ahead & pick off them off one by one by posting your own unbiased valid 'alternative facts'.... & don't forget #6.

I already did address it. You deflected. It's why I don't pay attention to you anymore.

no you didn't. but i get why you want to bail.

Yeah, I did and it was in the flame zone.

i deflected it the flame zone?

Ya. It's when I realized you really don't have anything of value to say. You just run around make claims, point at a link and then move on to do it to someone else. That's your MO.

And that's fine but for myself it's a waste of time.

well now- why don't you find that deflection & get back to me with a link to that 'discussion' . i don't think there is one.... why do i think that? because i barely remember interacting with you as it is & if it's in the FLAME ZONE - serious discussion & debate is not where you go. however, on this very thread i have back up & are willing to see what you got. however, i won't be holding my breath because i think you ain't got nuthin'.

lol....

 

[playtime]

Just how can you possibly compare President Trump to Hitler? Or any dictator or murderer? What motivates that? I'm plainly curious.

Out of pure stupidity!

Same individuals compared George W. Bush to Hitler and some on the right compared Obama to Mao and Stalin.

It is typical partisan nonsense!

ahhhhhhh whoever woulda thought W. was the good ol' days?

 

[playtime]

i gave you factual examples NOT opinions. if you cannot dispute them, i understand.

You provided examples, indeed, of generalizations that you chose to extend. Examples:

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
And who, precisely, is the judge of "disdain" and "fear" and "looking the other way", when NO President can try to save everyone in every situation? You? Those are opinions, not facts.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
And who, precisely, is the judge of "supremacy" and "disproportionate" and "glamorized"? You? Any President can be said to be guilty of that. Those are opinions, not facts.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
And who, precisely, is the judge of "control", in the age of the internet and myriad news outlets? You? Trump & Co will certainly do what they can, but they can't do much. That is a subjective term, not an objective term.

You're choosing to post "similarities" and extrapolate them out to the extreme. That's not being factual, that's being subjective.

It's intellectually dishonest, it's counter-productive, and it's an insult to the millions of people and families who suffered under those monsters.
.

And who, precisely, is the judge of "disdain" and "fear" and "looking the other way", when NO President can try to save everyone in every situation? You? Those are opinions, not facts.

trump himself said he wants torture. tell me his die hard followers don't want it too?

And who, precisely, is the judge of "supremacy" and "disproportionate" and "glamorized"? You? Any President can be said to be guilty of that. Those are opinions, not facts.

trump himself has no less than 3 generals in his cabinet. one who has a hard on to rid the world of the scourge of islam. & he's going to beef up the military with what what it's going to take to defeat extreme islamists. he's also intending to militarize the police &/or wants to send in the 'feds' to places like chicago. that means the national guard.

And who, precisely, is the judge of "control", in the age of the internet and myriad news outlets? You? Trump & Co will certainly do what they can, but they can't do much. That is a subjective term, not an objective term.

You're choosing to post "similarities" and extrapolate them out to the extreme. That's not being factual, that's being subjective.

are you kidding? look at what he's already doing with the 4th estate. black outs, 'alternative news' agencies will be skyping at press conferences & he also wants to loosen libel laws so 'media' can be sued more easily for 'defamation'.


It's intellectually dishonest, it's counter-productive, and it's an insult to the millions of people and families who suffered under those monsters.

who says? you? that is your opinion. history certainly CAN be repeated & to dismiss that possibility is an insult to those that have lived thru that time. my father fought in WW2 & i know exactly how he would be feeling about trump & what could be brewing. .. & it wouldn't be good.

 

[peabody]

Hitler and Trump have a lot of similarities. First, they are both fascists. Also, they like to have a militarized police force and they are both against speech protections and free press. And Trump hates Jews. Absolutely fucking hates them.

In Trump’s push for ‘America First,’ troubling echoes of anti-Semitic crusade

 

[playtime]

i care very much & drumpf is more akin to mussolini but either way he is a certainly a dictator in the making. i gave a valid non biased link & many examples of what a dictator is & compared them to factual trump's words & deeds.....

I believe that you believe that.
.

dispute it then... one by one by proving them wrong.... one by one.

Any partisan can draw similarities between someone from the other "side" and a bad character from the past. It really isn't that difficult.

That doesn't make it relevant or helpful or constructive.
.

I agree with what you posted earlier, Mac, about the "wingers" on both ends, but Playtime's article does have a point. It was the question raised in the OP and the article addresses it. It is why some people are actually "frightened" and "hysterical" in reaction to Trump's election.

I actually don't disagree. The problem is that hyperbole in response only makes things worse.

I'm concerned too, sure as hell. Nothing that Trump has done so far has made me regret voting against him. I just don't think that hysteria is a smart or lasting basis on which to base opposition.

And also, in general, I don't like seeing important words, actions and events diluted and trivialized. If everyone is a Nazi, no one is a Nazi. Or a racist. Or a communist. It's like we're being intellectually lazy in the way we're approaching rhetoric, and just reaching for the easiest convenient extreme doesn't really help anything.
.

I believe that you believe that.
.

dispute it then... one by one by proving them wrong.... one by one.

Any partisan can draw similarities between someone from the other "side" and a bad character from the past. It really isn't that difficult.

That doesn't make it relevant or helpful or constructive.
.

I agree with what you posted earlier, Mac, about the "wingers" on both ends, but Playtime's article does have a point. It was the question raised in the OP and the article addresses it. It is why some people are actually "frightened" and "hysterical" in reaction to Trump's election.

I actually don't disagree. The problem is that hyperbole in response only makes things worse.

I'm concerned too, sure as hell. Nothing that Trump has done so far has made me regret voting against him. I just don't think that hysteria is a smart or lasting basis on which to base opposition.

And also, in general, I don't like seeing important words, actions and events diluted and trivialized. If everyone is a Nazi, no one is a Nazi. Or a racist. Or a communist. It's like we're being intellectually lazy in the way we're approaching rhetoric, and just reaching for the easiest convenient extreme doesn't really help anything.
.

Speaking of hyperbole, although I'm not a Democrat, I strongly suggest (beg?) they get rid of Pelosi. She is embarrassing.

the day she said impeachment should be taken off the table for W. was the day she lost all credibility.

 

[playtime]

Hitler and Trump have a lot of similarities. First, they are both fascists. Also, they like to have a militarized police force and they are both against speech protections and free press. And Trump hates Jews. Absolutely fucking hates them.

In Trump’s push for ‘America First,’ troubling echoes of anti-Semitic crusade

he has the alt right's endorsement, & stephen bannon whispering in his ear.

 

[Mac1958]

i gave you factual examples NOT opinions. if you cannot dispute them, i understand.

You provided examples, indeed, of generalizations that you chose to extend. Examples:

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
And who, precisely, is the judge of "disdain" and "fear" and "looking the other way", when NO President can try to save everyone in every situation? You? Those are opinions, not facts.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
And who, precisely, is the judge of "supremacy" and "disproportionate" and "glamorized"? You? Any President can be said to be guilty of that. Those are opinions, not facts.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
And who, precisely, is the judge of "control", in the age of the internet and myriad news outlets? You? Trump & Co will certainly do what they can, but they can't do much. That is a subjective term, not an objective term.

You're choosing to post "similarities" and extrapolate them out to the extreme. That's not being factual, that's being subjective.

It's intellectually dishonest, it's counter-productive, and it's an insult to the millions of people and families who suffered under those monsters.
.

And who, precisely, is the judge of "disdain" and "fear" and "looking the other way", when NO President can try to save everyone in every situation? You? Those are opinions, not facts.

trump himself said he wants torture. tell me his die hard followers don't want it too?

And who, precisely, is the judge of "supremacy" and "disproportionate" and "glamorized"? You? Any President can be said to be guilty of that. Those are opinions, not facts.

trump himself has no less than 3 generals in his cabinet. one who has a hard on to rid the world of the scourge of islam. & he's going to beef up the military with what what it's going to take to defeat extreme islamists. he's also intending to militarize the police &/or wants to send in the 'feds' to places like chicago. that means the national guard.

And who, precisely, is the judge of "control", in the age of the internet and myriad news outlets? You? Trump & Co will certainly do what they can, but they can't do much. That is a subjective term, not an objective term.

You're choosing to post "similarities" and extrapolate them out to the extreme. That's not being factual, that's being subjective.

are you kidding? look at what he's already doing with the 4th estate. black outs, 'alternative news' agencies will be skyping at press conferences & he also wants to loosen libel laws so 'media' can be sued more easily for 'defamation'.


It's intellectually dishonest, it's counter-productive, and it's an insult to the millions of people and families who suffered under those monsters.

who says? you? that is your opinion. history certainly CAN be repeated & to dismiss that possibility is an insult to those that have lived thru that time. my father fought in WW2 & i know exactly how he would be feeling about trump & what could be brewing. .. & it wouldn't be good.

I think you're conflating opinion and fact.

Nowhere to go from there.
.

 

[Disir]

I already did address it. You deflected. It's why I don't pay attention to you anymore.

no you didn't. but i get why you want to bail.

Yeah, I did and it was in the flame zone.

i deflected it the flame zone?

Ya. It's when I realized you really don't have anything of value to say. You just run around make claims, point at a link and then move on to do it to someone else. That's your MO.

And that's fine but for myself it's a waste of time.

well now- why don't you find that deflection & get back to me with a link to that 'discussion' . i don't think there is one.... why do i think that? because i barely remember interacting with you as it is & if it's in the FLAME ZONE - serious discussion & debate is not where you go. however, on this very thread i have back up & are willing to see what you got. however, i won't be holding my breath because i think you ain't got nuthin'.

lol....

No. Grow up. You have nothing. You simply repeat the same nothing.