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Originally posted by roudy
Is that the terrorist leader who's scorched wheelchair parts were found in Mars, courtesy of the Israeli Air Force? Besides, shouldn't you be happy he became a shaheed and got his 72 horny male virgin donkeys?
You should have said "UNDERSTANDING" what you are etc.,...I THINK WE WILL LEAVE IT THERE Fridge...steveNot all Muslims,mainly the Saudis stick millions outside,you know Americas Allie,the Palestinians certainly DON'TOur homeland is stolen.
I have a home and a land in Ashkhelon, others in Jaffa.
We ask for our right... nothing more.
We have four million palestinian refugees living outside Palestine.
Who has more right in this land?
The russian immigrant? Who left this land over 2000 years ago?
Or the one who left 40 years ago?
Who has more right?
We don't hate the Jews... we just want them to give our rights.
Right? Is this about right?
Not really, this is about having Muslims who have, for a long time, seen winning as more important than improving their own lot.
Really Fridge that was a Weird comment...the Gazans do not send money overseas this is done by the Saudis mainly...me thinks you have taken the wrong train track...steve
Had the Muslims been doing what the Jews were doing, then they'd not be in the mess they're in. They're playing the victim, they stick millions outside of their country and do nothing for them as a way of playing politics.
WRONG FRIDGE,try the Saudis
What's your point here?
I really am not understand what you're talking about here.
Originally posted by frigidweirdo
I consider myself to be a logical person and as a logical person I understand that there is a certain amount of illogic in people's minds that you have to accept.
What is a natural right to live in their homeland?
The Earth is over 4 billion years old.
Homo sapiens have existed for about 200,000 years of that. (Maybe 300,000) Such a small, small percentage of the Earth's time. 0.005% of the time, give or take.
Humans have settled down only about 12,000 years ago. 0.0003% of the Earth's time.
Rights have only existed for 1,400 years or so in some sort of concept, but the view you're talking about is only about 200 or 300 years old. 0.0000075% of the time of the Earth.
So, you're talking rights to land when the reality is, in the view of the world, it's nothing. Hardly a scrap on existence.
Originally posted by frigidweirdo
So who has a right to land? The people who used to live on it?
Would Americans be willing to give up the US and move back to Europe so either Muslims "get their land back" or Jews "get their land back"? No, it's not going to happen. Americans will sit there and talk about how this one group has a right to the land when the logic they're using wouldn't give them any right to the land they're actually on.
The deal is that Jews lived in Palestine, Palestinians lived in Palestine, they probably have very similar DNA,
Jews Are The Genetic Brothers Of Palestinians, Syrians, And Lebanese
"Jews are the genetic brothers of Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese, and they all share a common genetic lineage that stretches back thousands of years."
Jews, Palestinians have close genetic ties, say researchers - Beliefnet News
"As many as 90 percent of Palestinians in some areas have close genetic ties to Jews, according to researchers."
So you're dealing with something very similar. What separates Jews and Muslims is their religion.
However the politics that is going on in the region is nasty, it separates, distinguishes and ultimately it's bullshit.
Do the Muslim people want to make a good life for themselves or not? If they do, then they can work hard.
Israel has a GDP per capita of $36,250 according to the IMF
Israel's neighbors have GDPs of:
Lebanon $19,486
Jordan $12,487
Egypt $12,994
Syria $2,900 (if it even has a GDP any more)
Iraq $17,000
Iran $19,000
Why do they have GDPs much lower than Israel's? It's always been the case, they sit around waiting for things to happen, not making them happen, and they've carried on doing it since 1948, blaming others for their inability to get their fat ass out of the chair and actually do some fucking work.
It s, to me, the whole point of your screed pointless. The Israelis have made a pleasant place despite the nonsense from Hamas. Hamas has made a pesthole of a very nice place, in terms of the ground. If Hamas has built hospitals kindergarten, markets they would live very nicely ,Originally posted by frigidweirdo
Right? Is this about right?
Not really, this is about having Muslims who have, for a long time, seen winning as more important than improving their own lot.
Had the Muslims been doing what the Jews were doing, then they'd not be in the mess they're in. They're playing the victim, they stick millions outside of their country and do nothing for them as a way of playing politics.
So prove to us that Ahmed wasn't born in Askhelon, that the region of Palestine was not the historical homeland of his family, that they did not have property there.
If you are able to prove all these things I will agree with you the conflict is about power.
But if you can't prove any of the above... it is a clear-cut case of a group of people fighting for their natural right to live in their homeland.
You should have said "UNDERSTANDING" what you are etc.,...I THINK WE WILL LEAVE IT THERE Fridge...steveNot all Muslims,mainly the Saudis stick millions outside,you know Americas Allie,the Palestinians certainly DON'TRight? Is this about right?
Not really, this is about having Muslims who have, for a long time, seen winning as more important than improving their own lot.
Really Fridge that was a Weird comment...the Gazans do not send money overseas this is done by the Saudis mainly...me thinks you have taken the wrong train track...steve
Had the Muslims been doing what the Jews were doing, then they'd not be in the mess they're in. They're playing the victim, they stick millions outside of their country and do nothing for them as a way of playing politics.
WRONG FRIDGE,try the Saudis
What's your point here?
I really am not understand what you're talking about here.
Originally posted by teddyearp
Let's qualify this. If the folks in control of Gaza would just quit their bs and allow all those $$ to go towards the community, then perhaps then Gaza would no longer be considered "the largest open air prison". Hell, they could rebuild their airport then. And so much more.
Oh, I didn't visit Ashkelon, but I did visit Sderot. Closer, but not as visited by 'tourists'.
Originally posted by a loss for words
It s, to me, the whole point of your screed pointless. The Israelis have made a pleasant place despite the nonsense from Hamas. Hamas has made a pesthole of a very nice place, in terms of the ground. If Hamas has built hospitals kindergarten, markets they would live very nicely ,
Which to me is the point of the exercise . And if schools were better they could live better yet. Sulking because one bunch of clowns vs another runs jerusalem is stupid . Getting ahead is the better way.
And you know this how?You can live your entire life in Israel and still be a total ignoramus about the conflict.
Funny how you weep for a terrorist Islamist piece of shit with the blood of innocent children on his hands.Originally posted by roudy
Is that the terrorist leader who's scorched wheelchair parts were found in Mars, courtesy of the Israeli Air Force? Besides, shouldn't you be happy he became a shaheed and got his 72 horny male virgin donkeys?
Yes, just one of the hundreds of palestinian refugees murdered by american Hellfire missiles that eventually returned to Uncle Sam in the form of jumbo jets turning 3000 american civilians into hamburger meat.
Like a boomerang that comes full circle and hits its thrower in the face.
Originally posted by Roudy
Funny how you weep for a terrorist Islamist piece of shit with the blood of innocent children on his hands.
You are off your rocker.....as usual.Originally posted by Roudy
Funny how you weep for a terrorist Islamist piece of shit with the blood of innocent children on his hands.
The so-called "Islamist piece of shit" didn't do anything in his entire life the super patriotic american clowns of the US Message Board wouldn't, if the american homeland were invaded by russians, poles and ukrainians of jewish faith, herding the american people into ethnic corrals surrounded by giant walls and barbed wire and spent the next 50 years shooting anyone who dared return home.
If you don't believe me, just look what the US did to a country that didn't do to America 0,001% of the harm done to the arab people of Palestine:
The Arab village of al-Majdal or al-Majdal Asqalan (Arabic: المجدل; Hebrew: אל-מג'דל, מגדל), was established a few kilometres inland from the ancient site by the late 15th century, under Ottoman rule. In 1918, it became part of the BritishOccupied Enemy Territory Administration and in 1920 became part of Mandatory Palestine. Al-Majdal on the eve of the1948 Arab–Israeli War had 10,000 Arab inhabitants and in October 1948, the city accommodated thousands more refugees from nearby villages.[3] Al-Majdal was the forward position of the Egyptian Expeditionary Force based in Gaza.[4] The village was conquered by Israeli forces on 5 November 1948, by which time most of the Arab population had fled,[5] leaving some 2,700 inhabitants, of which 500 were deported by Israeli soldiers in December 1948.,[5] The town was initially named Migdal Gaza, Migdal Gad and Migdal Ashkelon by the new Jewish inhabitants. Most of the remaining Arabs were evicted by 1950.How original !!!!
"it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine"The Arab village of al-Majdal or al-Majdal Asqalan (Arabic: المجدل; Hebrew: אל-מג'דל, מגדל), was established a few kilometres inland from the ancient site by the late 15th century, under Ottoman rule. In 1918, it became part of the BritishOccupied Enemy Territory Administration and in 1920 became part of Mandatory Palestine. Al-Majdal on the eve of the1948 Arab–Israeli War had 10,000 Arab inhabitants and in October 1948, the city accommodated thousands more refugees from nearby villages.[3] Al-Majdal was the forward position of the Egyptian Expeditionary Force based in Gaza.[4] The village was conquered by Israeli forces on 5 November 1948, by which time most of the Arab population had fled,[5] leaving some 2,700 inhabitants, of which 500 were deported by Israeli soldiers in December 1948.,[5] The town was initially named Migdal Gaza, Migdal Gad and Migdal Ashkelon by the new Jewish inhabitants. Most of the remaining Arabs were evicted by 1950.How original !!!!
Ashkelon - Wikipedia
"it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine"
Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia
They're free to leave Israel, so its no "prison."Gaza is the worlds largest open air prison camp. ....
It is not Israel they are calling a "prison", but Gaza.They're free to leave Israel, so its no "prison."Gaza is the worlds largest open air prison camp. ....
"As long as the non Jewish communities in the region of Palestine do not declare war and endlessly attack the Jewish community, causing harm, death and expulsion to any Jews.""it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine"The Arab village of al-Majdal or al-Majdal Asqalan (Arabic: المجدل; Hebrew: אל-מג'דל, מגדל), was established a few kilometres inland from the ancient site by the late 15th century, under Ottoman rule. In 1918, it became part of the BritishOccupied Enemy Territory Administration and in 1920 became part of Mandatory Palestine. Al-Majdal on the eve of the1948 Arab–Israeli War had 10,000 Arab inhabitants and in October 1948, the city accommodated thousands more refugees from nearby villages.[3] Al-Majdal was the forward position of the Egyptian Expeditionary Force based in Gaza.[4] The village was conquered by Israeli forces on 5 November 1948, by which time most of the Arab population had fled,[5] leaving some 2,700 inhabitants, of which 500 were deported by Israeli soldiers in December 1948.,[5] The town was initially named Migdal Gaza, Migdal Gad and Migdal Ashkelon by the new Jewish inhabitants. Most of the remaining Arabs were evicted by 1950.How original !!!!
Ashkelon - Wikipedia
"it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine"
Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia
Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia
As long as the non Jewish communities in the region of Palestine do not declare war and endlessly attack the Jewish community, causing harm, death and expulsion to any Jews.
Which is exactly what happened between 1920 and 1948:
1920 expulsion from Gaza
1925 Attacks and expulsion from TransJordan
1929 Attacks, many Jews murdered and expelled until 1967.
1948 Attacks, many Jews murdered and then expelled from the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem, from all of Judea and Samaria.
The endless indecency to bring up the not doing harm to non Jews, but when it comes to Jews being harmed from the very first Arab riots against them......
Shhhhhh.......don't tell anyone.
Gaza is Arab occupied Israel. They are free to leaveIt is not Israel they are calling a "prison", but Gaza
Why Don’t Palestinians Just Leave Gaza? They Can’t.They're free to leave Israel, so its no "prison."Gaza is the worlds largest open air prison camp. ....
