I Urge Israel To Take Out Iran's Nuke Plant. You?

[Liability]

Tell us: are you actually THAT stupid?

Is that a rhetorical question?

Ok. I confess. It was.

He IS that stupid. It's not really a question at all.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

They weren't, moron.

That was your arab friends.

Oh, I am sorry. I stand corrected................................NOT:


"In an astonishing four-part series on Israeli spying in the US, top Fox News reporter Carl Cameron detailed how Israeli agents on American soil had tracked the hijackers, as they moved amongst us, and, in addition, had launched what appeared to be a wide-ranging and quite aggressive intelligence-collection operation directed at US government offices across the country. The allegations contained in his report were denied – and the story (which soon disappeared from the Fox News web site) was never followed up, but Cameron’s reportage haunts us today, and mocks us from the archives where it has been gathering dust for eight years. "Since September 11, more than 60 Israelis have been arrested or detained, either under the new patriot anti-terrorism law, or for immigration violations," reported Cameron:

"A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained, according to investigators, who say some of the detainees also failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States. There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that the Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are ‘tie-ins.’ But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, ‘evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.’"

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What a fucking tool.

Here, bolded and otherwise highlighted, are the words morons like Confusedatious appear to overlook:

* * * * There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that the Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance * * * *

From that one MIGHT draw a tentative conclusion that the Israelis were more aware of our gaping security holes than we were. Maybe.

You would think an ALLY would have given us that info.

 

[GHook93]

Oh, I am sorry. I stand corrected................................NOT:


"In an astonishing four-part series on Israeli spying in the US, top Fox News reporter Carl Cameron detailed how Israeli agents on American soil had tracked the hijackers, as they moved amongst us, and, in addition, had launched what appeared to be a wide-ranging and quite aggressive intelligence-collection operation directed at US government offices across the country. The allegations contained in his report were denied – and the story (which soon disappeared from the Fox News web site) was never followed up, but Cameron’s reportage haunts us today, and mocks us from the archives where it has been gathering dust for eight years. "Since September 11, more than 60 Israelis have been arrested or detained, either under the new patriot anti-terrorism law, or for immigration violations," reported Cameron:

"A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained, according to investigators, who say some of the detainees also failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States. There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that the Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are ‘tie-ins.’ But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, ‘evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.’"

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What a fucking tool.

Here, bolded and otherwise highlighted, are the words morons like Confusedatious appear to overlook:

* * * * There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that the Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance * * * *

From that one MIGHT draw a tentative conclusion that the Israelis were more aware of our gaping security holes than we were. Maybe.

You would think an ALLY would have given us that info.

It there was intelligence to give, then I have no doubt they would have provided it! I believe there was intelligence provided to the government that stated Arabs were going to attack via planes, but the 9/10 mentality didn't take it seriously or really pursue it!

 

[jillian]

Tell us: are you actually THAT stupid?

Is that a rhetorical question?

Ok. I confess. It was.

He IS that stupid. It's not really a question at all.

I figured you were just stating the obvious.

 

[Contumacious]

Oh, I am sorry. I stand corrected................................NOT:


"In an astonishing four-part series on Israeli spying in the US, top Fox News reporter Carl Cameron detailed how Israeli agents on American soil had tracked the hijackers, as they moved amongst us, and, in addition, had launched what appeared to be a wide-ranging and quite aggressive intelligence-collection operation directed at US government offices across the country. The allegations contained in his report were denied – and the story (which soon disappeared from the Fox News web site) was never followed up, but Cameron’s reportage haunts us today, and mocks us from the archives where it has been gathering dust for eight years. "Since September 11, more than 60 Israelis have been arrested or detained, either under the new patriot anti-terrorism law, or for immigration violations," reported Cameron:

"A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained, according to investigators, who say some of the detainees also failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States. There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that the Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are ‘tie-ins.’ But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, ‘evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.’"

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What a fucking tool.

Here, bolded and otherwise highlighted, are the words morons like Confusedatious appear to overlook:

* * * * There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that the Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance * * * *

From that one MIGHT draw a tentative conclusion that the Israelis were more aware of our gaping security holes than we were. Maybe.

You would think an ALLY would have given us that info.

No sir, we are only giving the ungrateful bastards 6.1 BBBBBillions per year. that is NOT enough dough to buy loyalty.


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[Si modo]

What a fucking tool.

Here, bolded and otherwise highlighted, are the words morons like Confusedatious appear to overlook:



From that one MIGHT draw a tentative conclusion that the Israelis were more aware of our gaping security holes than we were. Maybe.

You would think an ALLY would have given us that info.

No sir, we are only giving the ungrateful bastards 6.1 BBBBBillions per year. that is NOT enough dough to buy loyalty.


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I dare ya to tie in your current hissy fit with the topic of the thread.

 

[Contumacious]

Is that a rhetorical question?

Ok. I confess. It was.

He IS that stupid. It's not really a question at all.

I figured you were just stating the obvious.

Obvious, indeed, it is. But I am not through:

"Yet the story persisted. Die Zeit, the respected German weekly, ran a piece entitled "Next Door to Mohammed Atta," in which further evidence the Israelis had been tracking the hijackers quite closely was cited as coming from French intelligence sources. This was followed up by a story in Salon – hardly a bastion of anti-Semitic agitation – which gave a long and detailed account of the Israeli spying operation, as outlined by Cameron, and concluded that it was in large part meant as a diversionary tactic. The same author did a comprehensive follow-up in Counterpunch, after The Nation spiked it. Reputable newspapers like the Scottish Sunday Herald reported the known facts.

Yet the 9/11 Commission did not so much as mention this aspect of the 9/11 story. Nor has Fox News ever followed up on Cameron’s reporting: they haven’t disavowed it, either. They, along with the rest of the "news" media in this country, simply pretend it never happened. When Arianna Huffington purged me from blogging on the Huffington Post, she cited my own reporting on this story as the reason: "Oh, come on, Dhaaa-link! You know dat’s anti-Semitic!


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[mskafka]

Am I looking at this correctly? I think that he's Jewish. Wouldn't that fact make it unlikely that he is anti-semitic? I'm making sure that I'm reading the correct post from the correct poster.

First off smarty pants, I he wasn't referring to me, but try to keep up!

Guess you haven't met many Jews. Even a good number of Jews in Israel are self-haters. American and European Jews are primarily leftist. Their leftist ideology leads them to self-hatred!

Nope. Having grown up in Tennessee, I don't know many Jews. Not surprising, I'm sure. I have one close friend who is Jewish, and he is very pro-Israel. Or a "leftist", as you would call it.

 

[GHook93]

Am I looking at this correctly? I think that he's Jewish. Wouldn't that fact make it unlikely that he is anti-semitic? I'm making sure that I'm reading the correct post from the correct poster.

First off smarty pants, I he wasn't referring to me, but try to keep up!

Guess you haven't met many Jews. Even a good number of Jews in Israel are self-haters. American and European Jews are primarily leftist. Their leftist ideology leads them to self-hatred!

Nope. Having grown up in Tennessee, I don't know many Jews. Not surprising, I'm sure. I have one close friend who is Jewish, and he is very pro-Israel. Or a "leftist", as you would call it.

Most Jews are leftists! Fricking hippies!

 

[Kalam]

Another one clearly states that Iran has a nuclear weapons program.

That's simply not true... please quote the article if I'm incorrect.

The other one states that the IAEA is not at all satisfied with the inspections status (the IAEA only cares about nuclear weapons development).

It explains how the UN expects Iran to stop all uranium enrichment. It notes that Iran has only produced LEU and expresses concern over the fact that they may have the capability of producing nuclear weapons.

Natanz is for HEU production.

Source? The traces of HEU were found on centrifuges that had been imported - I'm willing to assume that Iran is innocent until guilt is demonstrated conclusively. If it can be proved that Iran is seeking to create nuclear weapons, I'll speak out against them for it as I have against their form of government and the perverted interpretation of Islam that the government endorses.

Your willful ignorance is boring.

Your ad hominem attacks are evidence of your inability to carry on a civil discussion.

 

[Kalam]

Funny how you will believe anything, ANYTHING, about Israel and the Jews,

Funny how you toss "the Jews" in there as if I've ever expressed enmity towards the Jewish people (or even the Israeli people) themselves.

but as a Muslim you stand by tyrantical regimes as long as that tyrantical regime is Muslim! Always nice to see your true colors Kalam!

I don't recall expressing support for the current government of any "Muslim" country.

 

[Navy1960]

"You should know that the criminal and terrorist Zionist regime which has 60 years of plundering, aggression and crimes in its file has reached the end of its work and will soon disappear off the geographical scene." Ahmadinejad

Once again, Ahmadinejad was refering to the "Zionist regime" and not the people of Israel.

He has never called for violence toward the people of Israel,

Just the elimination of the fascist Zionist government which rules the terrorist state of Israel.

""They (the Western powers) launched the myth of the Holocaust. They lied, they put on a show and then they support the Jews…. If as you claim the Holocaust is true, why can a study not be allowed? ... The pretext for establishing the Zionist regime is a lie... a lie which relies on an unreliable claim, a mythical claim, and the occupation of Palestine has nothing to do with the Holocaust…This claim is corrupt and the pretext is corrupt. This (the Israeli) regime's days are numbered and it is on its way to collapse. This regime is dying."

"Israel must be wiped off the map … The establishment of a Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world . . . The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of the war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land."

(In an address to 4,000 students at a program titled, 'The World Without Zionism')


I'll repeat it for you, Israel like any nation in this situation has every right to take whatever measures it deems necessary to defend itself from the stated goals of the Iranian regime. Iran is the principle supplier of weapons to Hamas, and Hezbollah and when Israel is under constant fire from these groups supported by Iran while the Iranian regime has made it known to the world its purpose and as previously posted, on the march to produce missiles with ever increasing range and capabilities, it would seem that Israel has shown a lot of restraint given all these factors. However, as I had stated before any nation given the same set of parameters would have every right to take steps to insure that it's existance is insured. They need not seek the approval of the UN or the United States or Europe or as Iran likes to refer to us .. the oppressors.

 

[Sunni Man]

So Ahmadinejad denies the holohoax

Big deal

Should Iran be attacked for that?

Heck, half the world doesn't believe in the holocaust.

 

[Si modo]

Another one clearly states that Iran has a nuclear weapons program.

That's simply not true... please quote the article if I'm incorrect. ....

It's your source. Look again as will others. I am already being way too redundant to you.

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The other one states that the IAEA is not at all satisfied with the inspections status (the IAEA only cares about nuclear weapons development).

It explains how the UN expects Iran to stop all uranium enrichment. It notes that Iran has only produced LEU and expresses concern over the fact that they may have the capability of producing nuclear weapons. ....

There is no 'may' at all to their operation being designed for HEU/weapons grade. The Natanz facility is designed at more than capacity and number of stages for purity to produce HEU. There is no reason to produce HEU unless one is developing weapons. Redundant again.

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Natanz is for HEU production.

Source? The traces of HEU were found on centrifuges that had been imported - I'm willing to assume that Iran is innocent until guilt is demonstrated conclusively. If it can be proved that Iran is seeking to create nuclear weapons, I'll speak out against them for it as I have against their form of government and the perverted interpretation of Islam that the government endorses. ....

Traces of HEU are irrelevant. The design of the Natanz facility is for HEU. I have already explained stagewise operations in a previous post. I realize that all do not understand the principles of stagewise operations, so this is a bit of information to the specific example of gas phase enrichment of uranium (Centrifuges). Note specifically this [emphasis added]:

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An implosion weapon using U235 would require about 20 kg of 90% U235. Roughly 176 kg of natural uranium would be required per kg of HEU product, and about 230 SWU per kg of HEU, thus requiring a total of about 4,600 SWU per weapon. To enrich natural uranium for one gun-type uranium bomb would requires roughly 14,000 SWUs. Thus, producing one HEU weapon in a year would require between 1,100 to perhaps 3,500 centrifuges.
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Now note the most recent information on the number of centrifuges Iran has at their Natanz facility alone [emphasis added]:

Iran plans new centrifuges for 2nd enrichment site
AP

By NASSER KARIMI, Associated Press Writer Nasser Karimi, Associated Press Writer – Tue Oct 6, 9:58 am ET

.... A Western intelligence assessment that has been cited by diplomats says the new site is meant to house no more than 3,000 enriching centrifuges — much less than the more than 8,000 machines at Natanz.
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Iran plans new centrifuges for 2nd enrichment site - Yahoo! News One does not need to have an ounce of knowledge in stagewise operations for the purification processes to understand this information just presented to you.

Your willful ignorance is boring.

Your ad hominem attacks are evidence of your inability to carry on a civil discussion.

As I continue to give you information and as you continue to ignore it and as I suspect you are bright; willful ignorance applies. It is nothing personal, just what I must assume based on your apparent intelligence. And, I am very thankful to you for your wonderful focus and ability to stay on the actual topic.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

It's a no brainer. Self defense. Whena leader publicly decalres a desire to kill you and then is as close to nuke weapons as Iran is...bah!

Amazing, the Zionut Entity has not right to exist , let alone invade Iran. Indirectly, you are asking that the US gets involved because when Iran retaliates the Obama administration will claim that it had "no choice" but to attack Iran.


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Yep. YOur powers of divination are awesome. Ever think of being a preacher?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

what the hell do you mean israel doesnt have the right to exist.

Ok, YOU dont have the right to exist. Someone should come to your house forcibly remove you and kill you, because well, you dont have the right to exist let alone defend yourself

Idiot

Amazing, the Zionut Entity has not right to exist , let alone invade Iran. Indirectly, you are asking that the US gets involved because when Iran retaliates the Obama administration will claim that it had "no choice" but to attack Iran.


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Israel has a right to exist, but if it nukes Iran, it won't exist thereafter. Israel is the geographic size of New Jersey and is surrounded by hostile nations. It wouldn't stand a chance of surviving retaliation.

you have no clue, do you? Israel is not going anywhere no matter how many shitheads try and take her out.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Not all Jews are Israeli and not all Israelis are Jews.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Glad to see my FACT is not being disputed.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

I hate approx, 75% of jews because we are socialists, communists and hippies.

only 25% of us have a clue

First off smarty pants, I he wasn't referring to me, but try to keep up!

Guess you haven't met many Jews. Even a good number of Jews in Israel are self-haters. American and European Jews are primarily leftist. Their leftist ideology leads them to self-hatred!

Nope. Having grown up in Tennessee, I don't know many Jews. Not surprising, I'm sure. I have one close friend who is Jewish, and he is very pro-Israel. Or a "leftist", as you would call it.

Most Jews are leftists! Fricking hippies!

 

[actsnoblemartin]

it is a big deal to deny the truth dont you think?

and a lot of the world are dishonest hateful thugs, who should be shot

So Ahmadinejad denies the holohoax

Big deal

Should Iran be attacked for that?

Heck, half the world doesn't believe in the holocaust.