I helped Teenagers get Secret Abortions

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    I helped Teenagers get Secret Abortions - SteelRigged - Open Salon

    Interesting piece, though my own argument against parental notification/abortion laws lies in the fact that the empirical research generally indicates sufficient competence of reproductive minors to make informed and rational decisions about such matters.
     
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    If anything goes wrong, you can die and if the parents don't know to watch for symptoms, then they won't know what's wrong and may not get help in time. It's stupid for a kid to get an abortion without parental notification. If you don't trust your parents enough, go to court and get placed in a home where you can trust them. Otherwise, with this outpatient surgery, you are putting young girls lives in danger.
     
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    This operates on the assumption that the individuals in question are mere objects or pets incapable of independent thought and reasoning, entirely dependent on their parents to make conscious decisions for them. I won't accept that premise to begin with; the empirical research that indicates that adolescents generally possess the ability to make rational and informed decisions about medical treatment won't allow me to.

    But then you're confronted with precisely the problem that this piece documents: existing realities are often sharply divergent from ideal legal provisions.
     
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    Your child porn collection does not constitute "empirical research"
     
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    Indeed not, Christfag! But what of...heh...studies? Not the kind of stuff you hear about while you're watching the 700 Club, I guess, but still damn good for us empirically-minded folk. ;)
     
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    No link?

    You wouldn't think someone who was into the "alternative" lifestyle of child-rapery would use the term "fag" as an insult, would you?
     
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    Parental notification at the very least...Responsible for an informed decision.
     
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    First of all, few people here are stupid enough to buy your lame NAMBLA = Gay Rights talking point; it's almost as pathetic as your NAMBLA = Youth Rights talking point. Give it up.

    Next, all previous signs have indicated that providing you with evidence and arguments is a waste of my time, since you always dismiss them with one-liners and retain your original position based on primitive ideological dogma rather than empirical research. Regardless, I'm an optimist...

    A few random drawings from the literature reveals empirical analyses such as that of Weithorn and Campbell in The Competency of Children and Adolescents to Make Informed Treatment Decisions:

    The earlier study of researchers Grisso and Vierling, Minors’ Consent to Treatment: A Developmental Perspective, came to a similar conclusion, the authors stating the following:

    Researchers Bruce Ambuel and Julian Rappaport discovered similar results in a study intended to specifically focus on the topic of minors' competence to provide informed consent to abortion, entitled Developmental trends in adolescents' psychological and legal competence to consent to abortion. The study confirmed the fact that the rational judgment and decision making capacities of adolescents, (particularly those at or beyond mid-adolescence), were often on par with those of adults. Consider the abstract:

    In a wide-ranging review of the developmental literature on adolescents’ abilities to make rational decisions about medical treatment, entitled Children And Adolescents’ Capacity To Provide Informed Consent For Participation In Research researchers Kuther and Posada noted this:

    To a significant extent, this confirmed the legitimacy and soundness of the previous studies. We should also keep in mind that the deliberate infantilization of youth as manifested through the establishment of repressive age restrictions plays an integral role in preventing them from acquiring the sort of skills and abilities that would incline others to consider them "mentally competent."
     
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    Pederastate is having a hard time finding legal links to his "empirical research," I take it.
     
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    Oh Lord I should have seen the gaseous blow building up.
     
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