I dont understand how someone becomes gay?

[AVISSSER]

Is it a matter of lifestyle choice/culture or biological? Whats with bisexuals or pansexuals?

Do you think our sexually "liberated" culture encourages bi and pansexuality?

YouGov | 1 in 2 young people say they are not 100% heterosexual

A difference in hypothalamic structure between heterosexual and homosexual men.
"Abstract
The anterior hypothalamus of the brain participates in the regulation of male-typical sexual behavior. The volumes of four cell groups in this region [interstitial nuclei of the anterior hypothalamus (INAH) 1, 2, 3, and 4] were measured in postmortem tissue from three subject groups: women, men who were presumed to be heterosexual, and homosexual men. No differences were found between the groups in the volumes of INAH 1, 2, or 4. As has been reported previously, INAH 3 was more than twice as large in the heterosexual men as in the women. It was also, however, more than twice as large in the heterosexual men as in the homosexual men. This finding indicates that INAH is dimorphic with sexual orientation, at least in men, and suggests that sexual orientation has a biological substrate."

A difference in hypothalamic structure between heterosexual and homosexual men. - PubMed - NCBI

Development of the human hypothalamus.

"In addition, differences in relation to sexual orientation can be seen in this perspective. The vasopressin and VIP neurons of the SCN develop mainly postnatally, but as premature children may have circadian temperature rhythms, a different SCN cell type is probably more mature at birth. The sexually dimorphic nucleus (SDN, intermediate nucleus, INAH-1) is twice as large in young male adults as in young females. At the moment of birth only 20% of the SDN cell number is present. From birth until two to four years of age cell numbers increase equally rapidly in both sexes."

Development of the human hypothalamus. - PubMed - NCBI

There may be something biological to homosexuality.

That's a very interesting link you posted - but fare from conclusive. The neuroscientist who published it was Simon Levay a homosexual.

Levay cautioned against misinterpreting his findings in a 1994 interview: "It’s important to stress what I didn’t find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain

Notice my usage of the word MAY? Obviously it's not conclusive, it is one study. However, if you marry that study with the fact that the Hypothalamus is only 20% formed at birth, there may be factors either environmental or genetic, which point to a biological connection between homosexuality and Hypothalamus development.
One of those factors may be molestation. You, yourself have posted information regarding homosexual men and their rate of early childhood molestation...correct? We know for a fact that early childhood trauma (violence, abuse) affect brain development. Why not sexual trauma?
It's ok....critical thinking is a learned skill.

 

[dani67]

Is it a matter of lifestyle choice/culture or biological? Whats with bisexuals or pansexuals?

Do you think our sexually "liberated" culture encourages bi and pansexuality?

YouGov | 1 in 2 young people say they are not 100% heterosexual

child abuse

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Is it a matter of lifestyle choice/culture or biological? Whats with bisexuals or pansexuals?

Do you think our sexually "liberated" culture encourages bi and pansexuality?

YouGov | 1 in 2 young people say they are not 100% heterosexual

child abuse

Brilliant!! Di you do much research on that?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

"point to" and "may" are not statements of fact.

Just sos you know.

Still more evidence being heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual are genetic than "Mommy was mean to me" or "No man in their lives".

No, not really.
Yes, Childhood Sexual Abuse Often Does Contribute to Homosexuality | The Stream

"What do Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon, George Takei and Milo Yiannopoulos have in common? They are all out and proud gay men, and they were all sexually abused as underage minors. Sadly, this is an extremely common occurrence, as there is frequently a connection between childhood sexual abuse and adult homosexuality."

" a 2009 report prepared for a bisexual health summit revealed that 74 percent of bisexuals had been sexually abused as children."

"“Information extracted from 13,000 face-to-face interviews clearly showed those with same-sexual or bisexual orientation were more likely to have experienced negative events in childhood, Associate Prof Elisabeth Wells said yesterday. People who had experienced sexual abuse as children were three times more likely to identity themselves as homosexual or bisexual than those who had not experienced abuse, she said. Also, the more adverse events someone experienced in childhood, the more likely they were to belong to one of the ‘non-exclusively heterosexual” groups. Associations between adverse events and sexuality group were found for sexual assault, rape, violence to the child and for witnessing violence in the home. "Does Abuse Contribute to the Development of 'Gay'/Same Sex Attraction? » BarbWire.com

Gamblin' With a NAMBLAn

Pedophiles will use that as proof that they help a boy discover his sexual preference. "Adult supervision of the learning process."

What is this incoherent equine excrement? You don't even provide a link. NAMBLA is for all practical purposes defunct . Gay advocates have long since distanced themselves from those perverts. You have no idea what the fuck you're drooling on yourself over.

WRONG AGAIN ! - NAMBLA and Pedophilia are an integral part of LGBT dogma . They try to relabel it as "Inter-generational intimacy" but a rose by another name .... Here's a quote a mainstream gay publication ......."Recruiting children? You bet we are ! I would very much like for many of these young boys to grow up and start f**ing men." Can We Please Just Start Admitting That We Do Actually Want To Indoctrinate Kids?

Another left wing publication came out with this commentary .... "“we do have to protect children from real dangers … but that doesn’t mean protecting some fantasy of their sexual innocence.”

In 1990, the Journal of Homosexuality published a double issue devoted to adult-child sex titled “Inter-generational Intimacy.” David Thorstad, former president of New York’s Gay Activists Alliance and a founding member of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), writes that “boy love occurs in every neighborhood today.” The movement continues but has gone underground since NAMBLA found itself embroiled in a $200 million wrongful death and civil rights lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Boston. The suit claims that the writings on NAMBLA’s website caused NAMBLA member Charles Jaynes to torture, rape, and murder a 10-year-old Boston boy.

The Postmodern Pedophile

You are one sick mother progressiveparrot people like you should be publicly castrated

Listen Bean Brain! I said that I would ignore you but I can't let you get away with this dishonest horseshit!! Did you read the Queerty piec or did you just seize certain parts that you think supports your bigoted bull shit? Do you understand satire and sarcasm. ? Apparently not. That is what they are doing when they talk about indoctrination.

Since you are too stupid to understand that I, going to explain a few thing to you. They are talking about teaching children to be respectful, and , yes, accepting of others who are different. Do you think that kids are not aware of homosexuality in this age of social media? As much as you can't stand the idea of teaching kids that homosexuality is OK , it is not only acceptable to do so, but necessary in order to combat bullying and to give the kids who are gay support and permission to feel OK about themselves.

There is not a fucking word about sex with children or anything to remotely suggest that. Yet your first words were "NAMBLA and Pedophilia are an integral part of LGBT dogma" Where the fuck is the dogma?? You are just a shameless, hopeless ignorant bigot.

 

[Peach]

Still more evidence being heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual are genetic than "Mommy was mean to me" or "No man in their lives".

No, not really.
Yes, Childhood Sexual Abuse Often Does Contribute to Homosexuality | The Stream

"What do Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon, George Takei and Milo Yiannopoulos have in common? They are all out and proud gay men, and they were all sexually abused as underage minors. Sadly, this is an extremely common occurrence, as there is frequently a connection between childhood sexual abuse and adult homosexuality."

" a 2009 report prepared for a bisexual health summit revealed that 74 percent of bisexuals had been sexually abused as children."

"“Information extracted from 13,000 face-to-face interviews clearly showed those with same-sexual or bisexual orientation were more likely to have experienced negative events in childhood, Associate Prof Elisabeth Wells said yesterday. People who had experienced sexual abuse as children were three times more likely to identity themselves as homosexual or bisexual than those who had not experienced abuse, she said. Also, the more adverse events someone experienced in childhood, the more likely they were to belong to one of the ‘non-exclusively heterosexual” groups. Associations between adverse events and sexuality group were found for sexual assault, rape, violence to the child and for witnessing violence in the home. "Does Abuse Contribute to the Development of 'Gay'/Same Sex Attraction? » BarbWire.com

Gamblin' With a NAMBLAn

Pedophiles will use that as proof that they help a boy discover his sexual preference. "Adult supervision of the learning process."

What is this incoherent equine excrement? You don't even provide a link. NAMBLA is for all practical purposes defunct . Gay advocates have long since distanced themselves from those perverts. You have no idea what the fuck you're drooling on yourself over.

WRONG AGAIN ! - NAMBLA and Pedophilia are an integral part of LGBT dogma . They try to relabel it as "Inter-generational intimacy" but a rose by another name .... Here's a quote a mainstream gay publication ......."Recruiting children? You bet we are ! I would very much like for many of these young boys to grow up and start f**ing men." Can We Please Just Start Admitting That We Do Actually Want To Indoctrinate Kids?

Another left wing publication came out with this commentary .... "“we do have to protect children from real dangers … but that doesn’t mean protecting some fantasy of their sexual innocence.”

In 1990, the Journal of Homosexuality published a double issue devoted to adult-child sex titled “Inter-generational Intimacy.” David Thorstad, former president of New York’s Gay Activists Alliance and a founding member of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), writes that “boy love occurs in every neighborhood today.” The movement continues but has gone underground since NAMBLA found itself embroiled in a $200 million wrongful death and civil rights lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Boston. The suit claims that the writings on NAMBLA’s website caused NAMBLA member Charles Jaynes to torture, rape, and murder a 10-year-old Boston boy.

The Postmodern Pedophile

You are one sick mother progressiveparrot people like you should be publicly castrated

Listen Bean Brain! I said that I would ignore you but I can't let you get away with this dishonest horseshit!! Did you read the Queerty piec or did you just seize certain parts that you think supports your bigoted bull shit? Do you understand satire and sarcasm. ? Apparently not. That is what they are doing when they talk about indoctrination.

Since you are too stupid to understand that I, going to explain a few thing to you. They are talking about teaching children to be respectful, and , yes, accepting of others who are different. Do you think that kids are not aware of homosexuality in this age of social media? As much as you can't stand the idea of teaching kids that homosexuality is OK , it is not only acceptable to do so, but necessary in order to combat bullying and to give the kids who are gay support and permission to feel OK about themselves.

There is not a fucking word about sex with children or anything to remotely suggest that. Yet your first words were "NAMBLA and Pedophilia are an integral part of LGBT dogma" Where the fuck is the dogma?? You are just a shameless, hopeless ignorant bigot.

I just do not see Ellen DeGeneres and J. Edgar Hoover sharing the same "dogma".

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

"point to" and "may" are not statements of fact.

Just sos you know.

Still more evidence being heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual are genetic than "Mommy was mean to me" or "No man in their lives".

No, not really.
Yes, Childhood Sexual Abuse Often Does Contribute to Homosexuality | The Stream

"What do Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon, George Takei and Milo Yiannopoulos have in common? They are all out and proud gay men, and they were all sexually abused as underage minors. Sadly, this is an extremely common occurrence, as there is frequently a connection between childhood sexual abuse and adult homosexuality."

" a 2009 report prepared for a bisexual health summit revealed that 74 percent of bisexuals had been sexually abused as children."

"“Information extracted from 13,000 face-to-face interviews clearly showed those with same-sexual or bisexual orientation were more likely to have experienced negative events in childhood, Associate Prof Elisabeth Wells said yesterday. People who had experienced sexual abuse as children were three times more likely to identity themselves as homosexual or bisexual than those who had not experienced abuse, she said. Also, the more adverse events someone experienced in childhood, the more likely they were to belong to one of the ‘non-exclusively heterosexual” groups. Associations between adverse events and sexuality group were found for sexual assault, rape, violence to the child and for witnessing violence in the home. "Does Abuse Contribute to the Development of 'Gay'/Same Sex Attraction? » BarbWire.com

Gamblin' With a NAMBLAn

Pedophiles will use that as proof that they help a boy discover his sexual preference. "Adult supervision of the learning process."

What is this incoherent equine excrement? You don't even provide a link. NAMBLA is for all practical purposes defunct . Gay advocates have long since distanced themselves from those perverts. You have no idea what the fuck you're drooling on yourself over.

WRONG AGAIN ! - NAMBLA and Pedophilia are an integral part of LGBT dogma . They try to relabel it as "Inter-generational intimacy" but a rose by another name .... Here's a quote a mainstream gay publication ......."Recruiting children? You bet we are ! I would very much like for many of these young boys to grow up and start f**ing men." Can We Please Just Start Admitting That We Do Actually Want To Indoctrinate Kids?

Another left wing publication came out with this commentary .... "“we do have to protect children from real dangers … but that doesn’t mean protecting some fantasy of their sexual innocence.”

In 1990, the Journal of Homosexuality published a double issue devoted to adult-child sex titled “Inter-generational Intimacy.” David Thorstad, former president of New York’s Gay Activists Alliance and a founding member of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), writes that “boy love occurs in every neighborhood today.” The movement continues but has go underground since NAMBLA found itself embroiled in a $200 million wrongful death and civil rights lawsuiBut t filed in U.S. District Court in Boston. The suit claims that the writings on NAMBLA’s website caused NAMBLA member Charles Jaynes to torture, rape, and murder a 10-year-old Boston boy.

The Postmodern Pedophile

You are one sick mother progressiveparrot people like you should be publicly castrated

Regarding your link to the article Postmodern Pedophile , published by the Witherspoon Institute and which references the Journal of Homosexuality, that is just more horseshit propaganda . The Witherspood institute is a highly biased anti gay group and the Journal of Homosexuality - while apparently a legitimate research organization did In 1990, published a double issue devoted to adult-child sex titled “Inter-generational Intimacy.” David Thorstad,. And Yes Thorstad did found NAMBLA That was 1990! and....they are not now endorsing it.

None of this proves that gays are pedophiles.

Now shut the fuck up

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

"point to" and "may" are not statements of fact.

Just sos you know.

Still more evidence being heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual are genetic than "Mommy was mean to me" or "No man in their lives".

No, not really.
Yes, Childhood Sexual Abuse Often Does Contribute to Homosexuality | The Stream

"What do Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon, George Takei and Milo Yiannopoulos have in common? They are all out and proud gay men, and they were all sexually abused as underage minors. Sadly, this is an extremely common occurrence, as there is frequently a connection between childhood sexual abuse and adult homosexuality."

" a 2009 report prepared for a bisexual health summit revealed that 74 percent of bisexuals had been sexually abused as children."

"“Information extracted from 13,000 face-to-face interviews clearly showed those with same-sexual or bisexual orientation were more likely to have experienced negative events in childhood, Associate Prof Elisabeth Wells said yesterday. People who had experienced sexual abuse as children were three times more likely to identity themselves as homosexual or bisexual than those who had not experienced abuse, she said. Also, the more adverse events someone experienced in childhood, the more likely they were to belong to one of the ‘non-exclusively heterosexual” groups. Associations between adverse events and sexuality group were found for sexual assault, rape, violence to the child and for witnessing violence in the home. "Does Abuse Contribute to the Development of 'Gay'/Same Sex Attraction? » BarbWire.com

Gamblin' With a NAMBLAn

Pedophiles will use that as proof that they help a boy discover his sexual preference. "Adult supervision of the learning process."

What is this incoherent equine excrement? You don't even provide a link. NAMBLA is for all practical purposes defunct . Gay advocates have long since distanced themselves from those perverts. You have no idea what the fuck you're drooling on yourself over.

WRONG AGAIN ! - NAMBLA and Pedophilia are an integral part of LGBT dogma . They try to relabel it as "Inter-generational intimacy" but a rose by another name .... Here's a quote a mainstream gay publication ......."Recruiting children? You bet we are ! I would very much like for many of these young boys to grow up and start f**ing men." Can We Please Just Start Admitting That We Do Actually Want To Indoctrinate Kids?

Another left wing publication came out with this commentary .... "“we do have to protect children from real dangers … but that doesn’t mean protecting some fantasy of their sexual innocence.”

In 1990, the Journal of Homosexuality published a double issue devoted to adult-child sex titled “Inter-generational Intimacy.” David Thorstad, former president of New York’s Gay Activists Alliance and a founding member of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), writes that “boy love occurs in every neighborhood today.” The movement continues but has gone underground since NAMBLA found itself embroiled in a $200 million wrongful death and civil rights lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Boston. The suit claims that the writings on NAMBLA’s website caused NAMBLA member Charles Jaynes to torture, rape, and murder a 10-year-old Boston boy.

The Postmodern Pedophile

You are one sick mother progressiveparrot people like you should be publicly castrated

You are a dangerous liar . It's this type of rhetoric that has gotten gay men killed. And if you actually believe your own bullshit, you have to be either crazy or stupid. Your claim only stands up if you can prove that gay may are committing a disproportionate number of child molestations relative to the straight population-which you cannot do. You don't seem to be able to understand, that there is a difference between gay men who have healthier adult relationships with other adults as opposed to those who are fixated on minors, or have regressed for some reason in that regard. In addition, every male who has sex with another male, whether an adult or minor is not a homosexual. I'm going to make an attempt to educate you although I'm not holding out much hope. Mostly I like doing this because even I can stand to learn more and I enjoy picking apart hateful propaganda like yours.

Let's start with your lie about NAMBLA. It was spawned by the early gay rights movement but what is left of it today -and that isn't much - is not a gay organization and has been rejected by gay advocacy groups:

NAMBLA describes itself as a "support group for intergenerational relationships," and uses the slogan "sexual freedom for all." According to the group's web site, its aim is to "support the rights of youth as well as adults to choose the partners with whom they wish to share and enjoy their bodies." Google Search of NAMBLA's IP

I vehemently disagree with their philosophy, as do the vast majority of adults, both gay and straight. Children do not have the mental or emotional capacity to make those choices and when an adult is involved, there is a high probability that the relationship will be coercive and unequal. You will see that nowhere in this lengthy piece is NAMBLA identified as a gay organization, nor does the organization itself even mention the issue of being gay.


History Brief history of the modern childlove movement

NAMBLA emerged from the tumultuous political atmosphere of the 1970s, particularly from the leftist wing of the Gay Liberation movement which followed the 1969 Stonewall Riots in New York City. Although discussion of gay adult-minor sex did take place, gay rights groups immediately following the Stonewall Riot were more concerned with issues of police harassment, nondiscrimination in employment, health care and other areas.

These were desperate days for the fledgling gay rights movement. Even then, the NAMBLA was consider a fringe group within the gay community

Ostracism

Some gay rights groups immediately following "Stonewall Inn", perceived age-of-consent laws as governmental tools to suppress homosexual behavior rather than as the safeguards against the sexual abuse of small children that they claimed to be. In many states that didn't explicitly criminalize homosexual behavior (the sodomy laws), age-of-consent laws were significantly lower for heterosexual couples than for homosexual couples. For example, in the state of Massachusetts, "Lawrence v. Texas", the age of consent for heterosexual couples was as low as 13 (with parental approval) but was 18 for homosexual men.

The relative acceptance or indifference to opposition of the age-of-consent began to change at the same time as accusations that gays were child pornographers and child molesters became common. Judianne Densen-Gerber, founder of the New York drug rehabilitation center Odyssey House, argued that gays were responsible for child pornography. In 1977 former beauty queen Anita Bryant staked a similar position, starting the "Save Our Children" campaign. "The recruitment of our children," she argued, "is absolutely necessary for the survival and growth of homosexuality."

You are dishonestly, or perhaps ignorantly, relying on ancient history by invoking NAMBLA
In 1980 a group called the “Lesbian Caucus – Lesbian Gay Pride March Committee” distributed a hand-out urging women to split from the annual New York City Gay Pride March because the organizing committee had supposedly been dominated by NAMBLA and its supporters. The next year, after some lesbians threatened to picket, the Cornell University gay group Gay PAC (Gay People at Cornell) rescinded its invitation to NAMBLA founder David Thorstad to be the keynote speaker at the annual May Gay Festival. And in the following years, gay rights groups attempted to block NAMBLA’s participation in gay pride parades, prompting Harry Hay to wear a sign proclaiming “NAMBLA walks with me” as he participated in a 1986 gay pride march in Los Angeles.

Thus by the mid-1980s, NAMBLA was virtually alone in its positions and found itself politically isolated. Gay rights organizations, burdened by accusations of child recruitment and child abuse, had abandoned the radicalism of their early years and had "retreat[ed] from the idea of a more inclusive politics," opting instead to appeal more to the mainstream. Support for "groups perceived as being on the fringe of the gay community," such as NAMBLA, vanished in the process. Today almost all gay rights groups disavow any ties to NAMBLA, voice disapproval of its objectives, and attempt to prevent NAMBLA from having a role in gay and lesbian rights events.

Here is more:

Gregory King of the Human Rights Campaign later said that "NAMBLA is not a gay organization ... They are not part of our community and we thoroughly reject their efforts to insinuate that pedophilia is an issue related to gay and lesbian civil rights." NAMBLA responded by claiming that "man/boy love is by definition homosexual," that "man/boy lovers are part of the gay movement and central to gay history and culture," and that "homosexuals denying that it is 'not gay' to be attracted to adolescent boys are just as ludicrous as heterosexuals saying it's 'not heterosexual' to be attracted to adolescent girls."

And more:

In 1994 the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) adopted a "Position Statement Regarding NAMBLA" saying GLAAD "deplores the North American Man Boy Love Association's (NAMBLA) goals, which include advocacy for sex between adult men and boys and the removal of legal protections for children. These goals constitute a form of child abuse and are repugnant to GLAAD." Also in 1994 the Board of Directors of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGLTF) adopted a resolution on NAMBLA that said: "NGLTF condemns all abuse of minors, both sexual and any other kind, perpetrated by adults. Accordingly, NGLTF condemns the organizational goals of NAMBLA and any other such organization."

Today

More recently, media reports have suggested that for practical purposes the group no longer exists and that it consists only of a web site maintained by a few enthusiasts. NAMBLA maintains a web site at NAMBLA that shows addresses in New York and San Francisco and a phone contact in New York, and offers publications for sale, including the NAMBLA Bulletin.

NAMBLA is identified as a lobby group in Jon Stewart's America: The Book A Citizen's Guide to Democracy Inaction (2004), and is also alluded to on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, often tagged on to an existing lobby group's acronym for the parody.

Gay rights groups opposed to NAMBLA contend that their reason for disavowing NAMBLA has always been their sharing of the general public's disdain for pedophilia and child sexual abuse (as expressed in issues statements). These gay rights groups reject NAMBLA's claims of an analogy between the campaign for gay and lesbian equality and the abolition of age-of-consent laws, and view NAMBLA's rhetoric about "the sexual rights of youth" as a cover for its members' "real agenda".

Now read this and tell me that they are not a bunch of crazy sick fucks. I will tell you that few if any gay men agree with this tripe: Frequently Asked Questions About NAMBLA and Man/Boy Love

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

LGBT Issues, Children and Education by Progressive Patriot 3.27.15

Many people who rail against the ubiquitous of LGBTQ issues deluded themselves into believing that if we do not support homosexuality and transgender phenomena , the issue will somehow go away. They rail against the idea children will be "taught homosexuality".

However they do not actually understand what that means and most often believe, or claim to believe , that it means that children will be taught TO BE HOMOSEXUAL, or encourage to be homosexual-or transgender. That of course is ridiculous, dishonest, and ignorant. What it means is that children will be taught to be respectful and accepting of those who are different, and that includes an acceptance of themselves if they are the ones who are different.

Yes, some children will come out sooner as LGBT in a trusting and supportive environment but that is not to be confused with making them gay, or encouraging them to be gay. It is giving them permission and encouraging them to be true to themselves rather than live a life of repression, guilt, un-fulfillment and misery. LGBT issues and people are a part of modern culture and depriving gays rights will not change that and you can’t shield the children from it.

Children always have and always will struggle with their developing sexuality including sexual orientation and gender identity issues. In the past, for the most part, children were left to try to understand these things alone and in silence. They would feel guilty and confused about any sexual matters and especially any LGBT issues. Today, there is much open discussion about these issues-in the print and social media, among peers, on television, just about everywhere. In this electronic society where kids spend much of their days on line, it cannot be avoided. Many children know an LGBT child or adult. Children hear and see this all, and like it or not, they are very much aware. As we progress as a society, more and more of that discussion is positive, and young people are much more accepting of those who are different than many adults care to imagine. There is nothing short of criminalizing these lifestyles, and snuffing out free speech-in effect becoming Russia-that anybody can do about it. Can anyone dispute or refute any part of this statement?

My next question is: What do parents, educators and the rest of us do when these issues come up? Here are some options:

1. Do nothing, be silent. Leave the children to their own devices to figure things out for themselves. After all, that’s the way it was 30, 40, 50 years ago and everything was just fine. Or was it? In any case, this is now, times are different and sexuality is a much more salient part of life and discourse. This may not be a great option, if it ever was.

2. Condemn homosexuality and transgender issues openly and vehemently. Doing so will have the effect of marginalizing LGBT kids, crushing them with guilt, and setting them up for bullying. Then all that will be left to do is to keep tract of the suicides, bullying incidents and mass shootings.

3. Engage in constructive dialogue with the kids and among ourselves as adults. Dispense with the hysteria and misinformation and start to deal with this as part of our human experience. We could dispense with rhetoric about “promoting homosexuality and transgenderism ” and the scare tactics such as it leading to incest, polygamy and bestiality. Rather, the emphasis would be on human relations, not sex because relationships are really what it’s about. We could just let kids know that they are OK and loved no matter who and what they are…….because whatever they are, that’s what they are going to be. Maybe, just maybe it’s time to make a choice between ideology and religion on one hand, and the children that we claim to care so much about on the other. The only question is ….will they be happy, confident and secure, or guilt ridden, miserable and confused.

However, you still have those who want to pretend that the issue will just go away. That is ignorant and dangerous. Fortunately , one community had the good sense to know it is wrong and fought back:

Community Protests Attempt To Remove LGBT Information From Health Classes

Indian River, Delaware Board of Education member Shaun Fink wants to remove all LGBT references from school Health classes, saying he has "issues with teaching it's ok to be gay".

About 100 students, parents, members LGBT community and their straight allies turned up at a meeting of the Indian Rivers, Delaware, Board of Education meeting this week, hoping for a chance to speak. The protesters object to a move afoot by at least one board member to remove the terms gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender, from the district's Health curriculum.
Cole Haden, a senior at Sussex High School was visibly angry, locking eyes with Shaun Fink as he spoke:

"Mr. Fink, I would like to thank you for allowing me to have a chance to stand for LGBTQA equality and engage my peers in a conversation about fairness and tolerance, which you seemingly haven't contributed to. You have fueled a fire long waiting to erupt. However, I can't thank you too much, for as a LGBTQA student at Sussex Central High School, and the district that you heartly govern, you have done the school district and the community a great disservice by allowing your personal faith to interfere with your professional work."

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement...health_classes

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Ok . I'll go away. Just as soon as you or someone tell me how they would use the knowledge that there is a confirmed link between homosexuality and sexual abuse. I see that Kosher Girl is watching. Maybe it will be her although I suspect that she is rather consumed by trying to figure out how to respond to my critique of the article that she posted LOL

How would I use it? I'm just having a discussion on a message board, bud. I know you think people who are not gay or who even so much as question gays are "evil" but that isn't the case.

What?? Now you are dodging the question....and making an assumption about my sexuality . You know nothing about me. That is not very smart, Sista

Your question is stupid. I find it interesting the mechanisms that make a person tick. You are not in charge of what topics I or any one else discusses. If you don't wish to discuss it, then don't.

Girl, what up with that?. Why are you getting your back up on me like that? I find it interesting too, from an academic standpoint, but I would not characterize being gay as sick. Is that what you're doing now? That would be sick? If that is the case, I have to wonder what made you that sick.

Again, I am questioning the motives of those who are raising the issue of the relationship between sexual abuse and being gay, and asking how that information can and should be used. You seem to be threatened by that question and continue to avoid it.

What makes you want to suck dick and have a penis in your butt? Yes, you are a penis/butt type.

I find that repulsive. Faggotry does not turn me on in any way whatsoever. What's the deal?

Did you have to scratch you head real hard to make those last three functioning brain cells come alive in order to come up with that??

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

What?? Now you are dodging the question....and making an assumption about my sexuality . You know nothing about me. That is not very smart, Sista

Your question is stupid. I find it interesting the mechanisms that make a person tick. You are not in charge of what topics I or any one else discusses. If you don't wish to discuss it, then don't.

Girl, what up with that?. Why are you getting your back up on me like that? I find it interesting too, from an academic standpoint, but I would not characterize being gay as sick. Is that what you're doing now? That would be sick? If that is the case, I have to wonder what made you that sick.

Again, I am questioning the motives of those who are raising the issue of the relationship between sexual abuse and being gay, and asking how that information can and should be used. You seem to be threatened by that question and continue to avoid it.

What makes you want to suck dick and have a penis in your butt? Yes, you are a penis/butt type.

I find that repulsive. Faggotry does not turn me on in any way whatsoever. What's the deal?

Did you have to scratch you head real hard to make those last three functioning brain cells come alive in order to come up with that??

It's not rocket surgery to figure that you smell like rotten cum. I got $100 says you do. Nasty.

YOU are added to ignore list. I do not have time for an ignorant, juvenile, pissing match . I posted some serious thoughts and information here. I tried to contribute to the topic and stimulate an adult discussion. All that you seem to be intent on doing is dragging it into the gutter with your ignorant , bigoted comments. Fuck off.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Your question is stupid. I find it interesting the mechanisms that make a person tick. You are not in charge of what topics I or any one else discusses. If you don't wish to discuss it, then don't.

Girl, what up with that?. Why are you getting your back up on me like that? I find it interesting too, from an academic standpoint, but I would not characterize being gay as sick. Is that what you're doing now? That would be sick? If that is the case, I have to wonder what made you that sick.

Again, I am questioning the motives of those who are raising the issue of the relationship between sexual abuse and being gay, and asking how that information can and should be used. You seem to be threatened by that question and continue to avoid it.

What makes you want to suck dick and have a penis in your butt? Yes, you are a penis/butt type.

I find that repulsive. Faggotry does not turn me on in any way whatsoever. What's the deal?

Did you have to scratch you head real hard to make those last three functioning brain cells come alive in order to come up with that??

It's not rocket surgery to figure that you smell like rotten cum. I got $100 says you do. Nasty.

YOU are added to ignore list. I do not have time for an ignorant, juvenile, pissing match . I posted some serious thoughts and information here. I tried to contribute to the topic and stimulate an adult discussion. All that you seem to be intent on doing is dragging it into the gutter with your ignorant , bigoted comments. Fuck off.

You are a rotten cum-in-the-boodie smelling faggot who is a douche.

Fuck You.

Nasty Faggot.

You are the epitome of nasty faggot.

Do the world a favor and use your dildo,k?

 

[miketx]

Girl, what up with that?. Why are you getting your back up on me like that? I find it interesting too, from an academic standpoint, but I would not characterize being gay as sick. Is that what you're doing now? That would be sick? If that is the case, I have to wonder what made you that sick.

Again, I am questioning the motives of those who are raising the issue of the relationship between sexual abuse and being gay, and asking how that information can and should be used. You seem to be threatened by that question and continue to avoid it.

What makes you want to suck dick and have a penis in your butt? Yes, you are a penis/butt type.

I find that repulsive. Faggotry does not turn me on in any way whatsoever. What's the deal?

Did you have to scratch you head real hard to make those last three functioning brain cells come alive in order to come up with that??

It's not rocket surgery to figure that you smell like rotten cum. I got $100 says you do. Nasty.

YOU are added to ignore list. I do not have time for an ignorant, juvenile, pissing match . I posted some serious thoughts and information here. I tried to contribute to the topic and stimulate an adult discussion. All that you seem to be intent on doing is dragging it into the gutter with your ignorant , bigoted comments. Fuck off.

You are a rotten cum-in-the-boodie smelling faggot who is a douche.

Fuck You.

Nasty Faggot.

You are the epitome of nasty faggot.

Do the world a favor and use your dildo,k?

All that verbiage! Just follow my lead and say he sucks dick with his butthole.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Rotten cum in the boodie and health does not compute.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Girl, what up with that?. Why are you getting your back up on me like that? I find it interesting too, from an academic standpoint, but I would not characterize being gay as sick. Is that what you're doing now? That would be sick? If that is the case, I have to wonder what made you that sick.

Again, I am questioning the motives of those who are raising the issue of the relationship between sexual abuse and being gay, and asking how that information can and should be used. You seem to be threatened by that question and continue to avoid it.

What makes you want to suck dick and have a penis in your butt? Yes, you are a penis/butt type.

I find that repulsive. Faggotry does not turn me on in any way whatsoever. What's the deal?

Did you have to scratch you head real hard to make those last three functioning brain cells come alive in order to come up with that??

It's not rocket surgery to figure that you smell like rotten cum. I got $100 says you do. Nasty.

YOU are added to ignore list. I do not have time for an ignorant, juvenile, pissing match . I posted some serious thoughts and information here. I tried to contribute to the topic and stimulate an adult discussion. All that you seem to be intent on doing is dragging it into the gutter with your ignorant , bigoted comments. Fuck off.

You are a rotten cum-in-the-boodie smelling faggot who is a douche.

Fuck You.

Nasty Faggot.

You are the epitome of nasty faggot.

Do the world a favor and use your dildo,k?

And you are reported. Have a lousy life.

 

[GreenBean]

What makes you want to suck dick and have a penis in your butt? Yes, you are a penis/butt type.

I find that repulsive. Faggotry does not turn me on in any way whatsoever. What's the deal?

Did you have to scratch you head real hard to make those last three functioning brain cells come alive in order to come up with that??

It's not rocket surgery to figure that you smell like rotten cum. I got $100 says you do. Nasty.

YOU are added to ignore list. I do not have time for an ignorant, juvenile, pissing match . I posted some serious thoughts and information here. I tried to contribute to the topic and stimulate an adult discussion. All that you seem to be intent on doing is dragging it into the gutter with your ignorant , bigoted comments. Fuck off.

You are a rotten cum-in-the-boodie smelling faggot who is a douche.

Fuck You.

Nasty Faggot.

You are the epitome of nasty faggot.

Do the world a favor and use your dildo,k?

And you are reported. Have a lousy life.

Dude - this is not the Politics Forum - people are allowed to insult you - not that it's really necessary - you are doing a great job of making yourself look like an ass all by yourself. You can't win a debate here by tattling every time somebody hurts your wittle feelings

 

[GreenBean]

NAMBLA. It was spawned by the early gay rights movement but what is left of it today -and that isn't much - is not a gay organization and has been rejected by gay advocacy groups:

Gay rights groups oppose age-of-consent laws

GAY RIGHTS PLATFORM


1. All federal legislation and programs enumerated in Demands 1, 6, 7, 8, and 9 above should be implemented at the State level where applicable.

2. Repeal of all state laws prohibiting private sexual acts involving consenting persons; equalization for homosexuals and heterosexuals for the enforcement of all laws.

3. Repeal all state laws prohibiting solicitation for private voluntary sexual liaisons; and laws prohibiting prostitution, both male and female.

4. Enactment of legislation prohibiting insurance companies and any other state-regulated enterprises from discriminating because of sexual orientation, in insurance and in bonding or any other prerequisite to employment or control of one's personal demesne.

5. Enactment of legislation so that child custody, adoption, visitation rights, foster parenting, and the like shall not be denied because of sexual orientation or marital status.

6. Repeal of all state laws prohibiting transvestism and cross-dressing.

7. Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent.

8. Repeal of all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number of persons entering into a marriage unit; and the extension of legal benefits to all persons who cohabit regardless of sex or numbers.


While it may be true that there are elements within the LGBT community that despise pedophiles as much as sane people do - the fact remains they - like you are pedophile enablers

 

[GreenBean]

I vehemently disagree with their philosophy, as do the vast majority of adults, both gay and straight.

YOU are not able to speak for anyone other than yourself little fella - Got it !?

 

[GreenBean]

satire and sarcasm.

It was not Satire it was a serious article - DID YOU READ IT ?

Like I've always said you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink and you can lead a libtard to facts but can't make it think ... here it is again little fella Can We Please Just Start Admitting That We Do Actually Want To Indoctrinate Kids?

 

[GreenBean]

Your question is stupid. I find it interesting the mechanisms that make a person tick. You are not in charge of what topics I or any one else discusses. If you don't wish to discuss it, then don't.

Girl, what up with that?. Why are you getting your back up on me like that? I find it interesting too, from an academic standpoint, but I would not characterize being gay as sick. Is that what you're doing now? That would be sick? If that is the case, I have to wonder what made you that sick.

Again, I am questioning the motives of those who are raising the issue of the relationship between sexual abuse and being gay, and asking how that information can and should be used. You seem to be threatened by that question and continue to avoid it.

What makes you want to suck dick and have a penis in your butt? Yes, you are a penis/butt type.

I find that repulsive. Faggotry does not turn me on in any way whatsoever. What's the deal?

Did you have to scratch you head real hard to make those last three functioning brain cells come alive in order to come up with that??

It's not rocket surgery to figure that you smell like rotten cum. I got $100 says you do. Nasty.

YOU are added to ignore list. I do not have time for an ignorant, juvenile, pissing match . I posted some serious thoughts and information here. I tried to contribute to the topic and stimulate an adult discussion. All that you seem to be intent on doing is dragging it into the gutter with your ignorant , bigoted comments. Fuck off.

Another one who bested you - pretty soon everyone will be on your "ignore list" ...lol

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

7. Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent.

8. Repeal of all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number of persons entering into a marriage unit; and the extension of legal benefits to all persons who cohabit regardless of sex or numbers.

Lying piece of shit! You don't even provide a source.