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spillmind said:i assume you are talking since the CIA made sure the Ba'ath party was installed?
Zhukov said:So you're claiming the CIA installed to power the neo-Marxist/Stalinist Ba'ath party, which signed a treaty with the Soviet Union four years later that included provisions for buying arms? A nation next to our ally, the Shah of Iran?
That's seems like a stupid thing to do.
Can you prove it?
boy, you've got a lot of nerve.not my comrade said:I was going to explain that particular aspect among his other claims but Spilly isn't worth it, is he?
Zhukov said:So you're claiming the CIA installed to power the neo-Marxist/Stalinist Ba'ath party, which signed a treaty with the Soviet Union four years later that included provisions for buying arms? A nation next to our ally, the Shah of Iran?
spillmind said:greetings. i trust you received my check? and i trust you'll hold up your end of the bargain?
spillmind said:boy, you've got a lot of nerve.
greetings. i trust you received my check? and i trust you'll hold up your end of the bargain?
as for 'proving' it. the truth is out there, if you want to hear it.
here's a couple links. and sorry there is nothing current, too bad the invent of the internet was only a recent development.
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=16188
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/teachers/lessonplans/iraq/saddaminterview_printout.html
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html
http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id1751/pg1/
read those links, will ya?
as for comrade, i'll take my time responding, you pompous ass.
spillmind said:boy, you've got a lot of nerve.
greetings. i trust you received my check? and i trust you'll hold up your end of the bargain?
as for 'proving' it. the truth is out there, if you want to hear it.
here's a couple links. and sorry there is nothing current, too bad the invent of the internet was only a recent development.
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=16188
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/teachers/lessonplans/iraq/saddaminterview_printout.html
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html
http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id1751/pg1/
read those links, will ya?
as for comrade, i'll take my time responding, you pompous ass.
spillmind said:boy, you've got a lot of nerve.
greetings. i trust you received my check? and i trust you'll hold up your end of the bargain?
as for 'proving' it. the truth is out there, if you want to hear it.
here's a couple links. and sorry there is nothing current, too bad the invent of the internet was only a recent development.
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=16188
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/teachers/lessonplans/iraq/saddaminterview_printout.html
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html
http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id1751/pg1/
read those links, will ya?
as for comrade, i'll take my time responding, you pompous ass.
spillmind said:boy, you've got a lot of nerve.
greetings. i trust you received my check? and i trust you'll hold up your end of the bargain?
as for 'proving' it. the truth is out there, if you want to hear it.
here's a couple links. and sorry there is nothing current, too bad the invent of the internet was only a recent development.
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=16188
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/teachers/lessonplans/iraq/saddaminterview_printout.html
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html
http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id1751/pg1/
read those links, will ya?
as for comrade, i'll take my time responding, you pompous ass.
MJDuncan1982 said:For all of this discussion about whether or not we are safer since 9/11 why don't we ask the State Department:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122403,00.html
According to the report, terrorism is increasing. Whether or not we are winning the war on terrorism definitionally depends on whether terrorism has risen or declined. It has risen.
read those links, will ya?
as for comrade, i'll take my time responding, you pompous ass.
According to Seymour Hersh in The Dark Side of Camelot (Boston, MA: Back Bay Books, 1998, page 194):
By the early 1950s, the CIA, fearful of LSD falling into Soviet hands, had cornered the market on the drug, which in minute doses could produce overwhelming sensations ranging from kaleidoscopic acuity to temporary insanity. The agency also started to fund research, covertly funneling hundreds of thousands of dollars to academics in prestigious institutions around the country who tried the drug themselves and reported the results to Gottlieb.
It seemed Stanley Glickman had everything going for him. An American, Glickman was young, living in Paris, and busy carving out a successful career for himself as an artist.
Then one evening in late October 1952, his world crashed to an end. He
accepted an invitation from an acquaintance to join him and some fellow
Americans at the Cafe Select, a popular spot among writers and artists. There,
the conversation turned into a heated political debate lasting several hours.
When Glickman decided it was time to leave, one of the men offered to buy him a
drink to soothe any hard feelings.
For the next two weeks he "wandered in the pain of madness, delusion and terror."
When friends of his brother-in-law's family saw him on the street and realized the condition he was in, they contacted his family, who made arrangements for him to be brought back to the United States in July 1953.
Glickman never painted again.
Gottlieb once mailed a lethal handkerchief to an Iraqi colonel and personally ferried deadly bacteria to the Congo to kill Prime Minister Patrice Lamumba. It wasn't his potions that eventually did in the two targets, but Gottlieb, once described by a colleague as the ultimate "good soldier," soldiered on.
Undaunted, Gottlieb tried a poisoned wetsuit that Castro never wore. He also rigged a conch shell to explode when Castro was swimming underwater and was attracted to it, the dictator being a collector of such shells. The shell was never planted. The chemist also planned to assassinate General Kassem of Iraq by planting a poisoned handkerchief in his suit pocket but this plan also failed.
So the plan was to plant it upon the leader of Iraq, in his pocket maybe, by sleight of hand and without he or his bodyguards noticing (he is the President of Iraq, after all).
Kind of whack, I mean WTF would you think when you found some strange hankie in your pocket?
Sidney Gottlieb came up with the idea of infecting a handkerchief and mailing it to Iraq via the CIA station in New Delhi, India. 'It was not an assassination,' Gottlieb told (Hersh) in an interview. 'They [the CIA's Near East division] just wanted him to get sick for a long time. I went to (CIA Deputy Director of Plans, Richard) Bissell and he said go
ahead.'
Okay, now its not hanky of death but some diseased hanky. Gottlieb mailed it? I guess his secretaries run over and hand deliver his new hanky from the mail?
He's out of the CIA and in trial for LSD dosing and well over 60 and apparently divulging this story. Was he high?
Long story short, the whole hanky plot failed.
THE TIMELINE:
http://www.worldhistory.com/hussein.htm
1959: Saddam tries to kill the President, fails, and bails.
1960: After being tried in absentia, Saddam was sentenced to death.
1960-63: Saddam tried out law school in Cairo for a few years, flunks.
Jan 1963: The so-called Hankie gate. Fails according to the source.
1963: Kassem's moderate policies lost him the support of the Ba'ath Party and he was executed after a military coup in February 1963.
Feb 1963: Saddam sneaks back in.
1963-1971: Saddam goes to prison, breaks out, "graduates" law, and in the late 60s murders his way to the top.
The poisoned hanky from this LSD agent is just far out. Dont you think?
popefumanchu said:Whether or not we are winning the war on terrorism depends on how many of the leaders we have killed or captured, how disorganized Al Qaieda and other terrorist organizations are, and how much progress we a making to change the social roots of terrorism.
We have killed or captured over two thirds of Al Qaieda's leadership and Osama is disconnected (hiding, posssibly very sick or dead). They are very disorganized, acting as individual gangs as opposed to a centralized syndicate. Rival bosses vying for promenence. Iraq is now a sovereign, fledgling democracy. Iran is reaching a point where its people will demand more freedom or overthrow the gov't. Saudi Arabia is facing terrorism of its own and will soon need to make some serious changes or completely destabilize. The terrorists are on the run and very cautious about making andy big moves.
Terrorism is increasing, yes. In war, especially decentralized, guerilla war, when the enemy is losing, they become desperate. It is very likely that the increase in attacks is a result of the enemy's desperation. There may be still some large attacks, quite likely on our soul. However the more we kill at home and persuade the peace-loving Muslims to reject their methods, the closer we come to victory.
spillmind said:did you think of that one all by yourself? GET REAL, MAN. i'm not stating anything that isn't true. it's amazing how you can block out the truth so that it fits your rose-colored view of iraq. debate a point or get out of the peanut gallery.
you care to explain? i thought not, and i rest my case. pretty easy to condemn something without even arguing your side. not unpredictable, however.
you're so full of crap it must be coming out of your ears.I just found a good breakdown on Iraqi casualties, which all you heartless bastards wouldn't give me. Well, I forgive you all... so here's a graph of American deaths in the field over the last several months:
his IGNORING Sudan basically shoots this crap all to hell. you have the freaking nerve to call *ME* a hypocrite? and i'll bet you gloss this one over, as well. do us a favor. save it.President Bush freed well over 50 MILLION PEOPLE from two of the most evil and brutal regimes in modern history.
spillmind said:you're so full of crap it must be coming out of your ears.
his IGNORING Sudan basically shoots this crap all to hell. you have the freaking nerve to call *ME* a hypocrite? and i'll bet you gloss this one over, as well. do us a favor. save it.