I am so glad

[roomy]

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[nosarcasm]

You are part of the German-French Empire limey. Better get used to it.

 

[padisha emperor]

I live in England and not Europe.

Good for you...If UK don't want to be in Europe and in the EU, then, it can go away, but UK stops to accept and recieve supports and money from EU...

When a country is against an organization, He can not seriously recieve support from it.

And happy birthday to your Queen.

 

[padisha emperor]

EU don't want you ? not sure...Or probably because UK has a lot of reticences and is cold for an integration.

It is in the interests of UK to be a member of EU. Of course there are lots of obligations, but alos advantages...

Take to common market : UK can't creat restrictions for importations to protect its own production, but on an other hand, the other countries can't too, then UK's exportations are easier Same for each country.

Without EU, France could have keep its embargo for british meat during maybe 50 years...

When you study the EU laws (I do it) you see that it's really complex, but alos great, very interesting, and necessary for the trade between the Member States.

If UK would be more implicated in the EU policies, the rest of EU would accept easily UK.


UK has USA, COmmonwealth...Good. But not suffisant.

France has EU, and particulary Germany, the "Francophonie", and a kind of Commonwealth with the ancient french colonies, particularly in Africa. But now, with the globalization, a country HAS TO have a lot of trade partners.

EU gives it.

It the interests of EU to have UK, but above all it's the intrests of UK to belong to EU.

 

[padisha emperor]

It is only in the interest of the Uk as long as we deem it to be.Europe needs us more than we need it, always been the case, and as long as the US use our shores as an aircraft carrier long may it be so.You seem to forget or are ignorant of european history my friend.

Personly, I don't care about UK's presence in EU, it's more like a weight.
If it's good for EU, then i agree to this presence. If not, I don't want it.

For the European history, UK's History on the european continent is only a struggle against several hegemonies. UK's choice was overseas. Not Europe. Since the UK's defeat during the 100 Years War.
Maybe it's the reason of the bad feeling of the British about EU. France's choices are since 1500 years for the continent, same for Germany... Maye it's why these countries are for EU.


If you're satisfied that your country is an US aircraft carrier, good for you. But this policy makes that a lot of european consider British more like foreigners in Europe. The US dogs. I appreciate the irony, the ex colony is now colonising the ex fatherland.

For the Europe History, you seems to not know it as well you think. Europe knows 1000 years of war between Nations, but these war, it's a paradox, reinforce the cooperation between these Nations.

the best thing for Europe would have been an alliance with France, UK, Germany (or a common State), it would have been good for these countries too.

 

[Hobbit]

I live in England and not Europe.

Great Britain has been our friend and ally ever since they got over our little revolution. I'm always happy to know a Limey. As for the French...well, that changes from person to person.

 

[padisha emperor]

Are you completely insane?Had such an alliance occured can you imagine the carnage around the world, assuming of course as i suspect, you would hope we would adopt germany's final solution.The Nazis were hoping we would fall into line also if my history lessons and books serve me well?

Lie down and have a nap paddy.

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France/UK together...Not a revolutionnary idea : look at the Angevine Empire, XIIIth...Or the project of a common State between France and United Kingdom in 1940, lead by Churchill and de Gaulle.

For Germany : why automaticly do you refer to the nazis ? First, what is allowing you to think that a such 3 nations-State would have given an horror with Nazis at power ?
And second, I never said that...

I only mentionned the fact that a cooperation between the leading States of Europe is a great thing, and maybe if in History these States would have cooperate, some things would have not been...Maybe it is wrong, but maybe not.

I give to you a Goodwin Point for your bright link with the Nazis and Final Solution...

 

[CrimsonWhite]

I think the Hundered Years war is about to erupt again.

 

[Said1]

I think the Hundered Years war is about to erupt again.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Hoiste, du tabournack


PE:et alors et zut alors - le meme?

 

[Said1]

Personly, I don't care about UK's presence in EU, it's more like a weight.
If it's good for EU, then i agree to this presence. If not, I don't want it.

For the European history, UK's History on the european continent is only a struggle against several hegemonies. UK's choice was overseas. Not Europe. Since the UK's defeat during the 100 Years War.
Maybe it's the reason of the bad feeling of the British about EU. France's choices are since 1500 years for the continent, same for Germany... Maye it's why these countries are for EU.


If you're satisfied that your country is an US aircraft carrier, good for you. But this policy makes that a lot of european consider British more like foreigners in Europe. The US dogs. I appreciate the irony, the ex colony is now colonising the ex fatherland.

For the Europe History, you seems to not know it as well you think. Europe knows 1000 years of war between Nations, but these war, it's a paradox, reinforce the cooperation between these Nations.

the best thing for Europe would have been an alliance with France, UK, Germany (or a common State), it would have been good for these countries too.

OMG.

That's in regard (not respect) to the entire post.

 

[Annie]

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France/UK together...Not a revolutionnary idea : look at the Angevine Empire, XIIIth...Or the project of a common State between France and United Kingdom in 1940, lead by Churchill and de Gaulle.

For Germany : why automaticly do you refer to the nazis ? First, what is allowing you to think that a such 3 nations-State would have given an horror with Nazis at power ?
And second, I never said that...

I only mentionned the fact that a cooperation between the leading States of Europe is a great thing, and maybe if in History these States would have cooperate, some things would have not been...Maybe it is wrong, but maybe not.

I give to you a Goodwin Point for your bright link with the Nazis and Final Solution...

Not going to happen within you lifetime PE. The English have chosen the winning sides, which doesn't include EU, meaning France. Interesting how a losing state tries to grab onto what they thought was the financial engine of Europe, Germany, but ended up with an albatross. Very interesting. The financial engines in Europe are UK and Ireland, in the future Poland and Chech. Not France, especially in light of the protests...

Think we may not see 100 year war, but end of EU? likely.

 

[padisha emperor]

France is not so ill than you seems to think.

2nd for foreign investisments, 3 for the numbers of fusions of french company against foreign ones............Economy is not so bad.

Well, like said THE ECONOMIST, british newspapper, there is 2 France, the FRance of the street, socialist, with protestation, and the France of economy, with companies in excellent health and an financial weight more and more important...

Maybe you see only the first one, but don't foregt the 2nd...the winning one.

For UK : good economy, but I think there is a probleùm when the british escape to live in France, at least to have good health care, but often to have a good life. Except the heavy administration, life in France is far better than in UK (It's not me who is saying that, I won't allow me to say that, I don't know enough life in UK, the people who saying that are british...)

THere is here always the same dilemma. UK choose the economy without social, good economy, but awful social points, the healthcare sucks, you've no idea, the railroads security systems suck too, the wellfare is not here...


Glad for you roomy that you live in England, don't know how old you are, if you're lke me around 20, wait 20 years, you 'll go to France....Or in Luxembourg, Germany...

 

[padisha emperor]

Brist came in France to buy old farmhouses, but also for the french wellfare (the urbanism laws in France for the sales of farmhouses in agricol areas are quite hard - I know it, I study it - it's easier to buy iin some other countries, but they come in France. So, not only to have nice houses...

For Cyprus, nice choice, I visited it, very nice island, a little to much hot specially for long walks, but fantastic. (except the Nikosia check point, quite sad... )

PS: congratulations for Arsenal

 

[HopeandGlory]

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France/UK together...Not a revolutionnary idea : look at the Angevine Empire, XIIIth...Or the project of a common State between France and United Kingdom in 1940, lead by Churchill and de Gaulle.

For Germany : why automaticly do you refer to the nazis ? First, what is allowing you to think that a such 3 nations-State would have given an horror with Nazis at power ?
And second, I never said that...

I only mentionned the fact that a cooperation between the leading States of Europe is a great thing, and maybe if in History these States would have cooperate, some things would have not been...Maybe it is wrong, but maybe not.

I give to you a Goodwin Point for your bright link with the Nazis and Final Solution...

France and England together?

Please . . . don't make me laugh!

Churchill and DeGaulle couldn't stand each other - Churchill was continually annoyed and frustrated by DG's attempted ego-centric interference and unwarranted demands throughout the whole of the war!

I'm not disaggreeing that cooperation would, in theory, be a wonderful thing. Of course it would . . .

BUT - France and Germany have been working together as allies since the end of WWII. Some might argue that as the larger part of France came under Vichy determination during WWII, the alliance was in-fact in place even then. As for calling Germans, Nazi's - the uncomfortable fact is that most Germans 'were' Nazi's during the 1930's and up until the onset of the Russian Campaign, and the losses to the British in North Africa, when the tide started to turn. It's odd that if you visit Germany today - the Germans themselves refer to the Nazi's as if they were a race of aliens who happened to come down and take over Germany for a while. Most odd!

Sadly, Vichy France has very blood-stained hands regarding the 'Final Solution' and its treatment and deportation East of French Jews. But France has a long history of anti-semitism.

As for England and France - The Frogs and Les Ros-Bifs have never liked each other. It's a fact illustrated most recently by Chirac's bizarre attacks on English food (anyone who really knows about food is aware British food/cuisine has been walking away with some of the top international awards lately) so perhaps, Chirac's behaviour was simply sour grapes?

It's caused by so many things - history, Napoleon, Tralfalgar, The Penninsula War, Waterloo. Resentment - both world wars. Language - the fact that English is the commercial, cyber, media-friendly, second language of the entire world!

Sorry - you are not Great Britain's natural allies! The Aussies, Canadians, NZ's and other members of the Commonwealth who have always supported Britain/England from the first, in times of dire need, are its historical allies. And these days, of course, there is the USA!