Zone1 Hydrogen Train: Green, green!!!

[justoffal]

Why increase the use and creation of coal methane and oil to build "green" energy that is the least efficient use of these materials?

Green energy is very wasteful

And has a huge carbon footprint.

 

[Rye Catcher]

Why increase the use and creation of coal methane and oil to build "green" energy that is the least efficient use of these materials?

Green energy is very wasteful

LOL

 

[Pete7469]

LOL

Just like Algore and all the other bed wetter elitist sociopaths that push the climate hoax, Turd Catcher knows everything he posts is complete and total bullshit but they laugh everytime they cash a check by spreading leftist agitprop.

I just wonder who the fucking idiot is that pays Turd Catcher to actually undermine the regressive agenda by making all liberals look like they're just as fucking stupid as he/she/it is.

 

[hadit]

It actually takes more energy to isolate hydrogen than you get from burning it.

“More energy is needed to isolate hydrogen from natural compounds than can ever be recovered from its use,” Bossel explains to PhysOrg.com

And that's why we need to access sources where hydrogen is already concentrated and can be readily extracted, ala hydrocarbons. And that takes us right back to petroleum. Now, solar powered water processors can free hydrogen from water, but it remains to be seen if it can ever be cost effective to do it that way.

There is no free lunch.

 

[justoffal]

And that's why we need to access sources where hydrogen is already concentrated and can be readily extracted, ala hydrocarbons. And that takes us right back to petroleum. Now, solar powered water processors can free hydrogen from water, but it remains to be seen if it can ever be cost effective to do it that way.

There is no free lunch.

I propose we build a stargate to a hydrogen dust cloud somewhere thereabouts and simply import it from out there!
Better yet we could send missions to the Sun and scoop some fresh hydrogen for use back here on earth. I mean the sun has all this hydrogen to give away....why should we turn it down?

Jo

 

[M14 Shooter]

Running from June to October in Quebec, the Coradia iLint will be North America's first hydrogen train.:

Yeah?
How's the scalability on this?
Here's 12,000 horsepower (9000kw) pulling about 12,000 tons of coal and hopper cars for 560 miles across the rocky mountains
When can we expect your H2 locomotives to take over this service?

 

[Pete7469]

I propose we build a stargate to a hydrogen dust cloud somewhere thereabouts and simply import it from out there!
Better yet we could send missions to the Sun and scoop some fresh hydrogen for use back here on earth. I mean the sun has all this hydrogen to give away....why should we turn it down?

Jo

We can get hydrogen from the sun. We just have to send AOC up there at night.

 

[hadit]

I propose we build a stargate to a hydrogen dust cloud somewhere thereabouts and simply import it from out there!

Hydrogen is everywhere, that's not the problem. The problem is getting it concentrated enough to use, and right now, probably the cleanest way to do that is to electrically crack water using solar or nuclear power.

 

[Pete7469]

Yeah?
How's the scalability on this?
Here's 12,000 horsepower pulling about 12,000 tons of coal and hoppers for 560 miles across the rocky mountains
When can we expect your H2 locomotives to take over this service?

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Shortly before the end of human history, which is also the time socialism is scheduled to actually "work".

 

[justoffal]

Hydrogen is everywhere, that's not the problem. The problem is getting it concentrated enough to use, and right now, probably the cleanest way to do that is to electrically crack water using solar or nuclear power.

Yes I know I was being facetious. While we certainly have an abundance of hydrogen here I don't think anyone's discovered a way to economically separate it from all the other elements it's attached to. You can drive it out of Coal with a hot steam method but then you create massive amounts of carbon slurry and just exactly what are you going to do with that stuff? Also how do you generate the heat? We certainly can't use hydrogen because that would defeat your purpose. It would take more hydrogen to maintain the heat then you would be releasing in terms of converted BTU units. Electrolysis is another very entropic process. Last I looked at it It takes roughly twice the amount electrical energy in terms of converted BTUs to release about half as much from the water. That type of entropy is not sustainable.

 

[elektra]

And that's why we need to access sources where hydrogen is already concentrated and can be readily extracted, ala hydrocarbons. And that takes us right back to petroleum. Now, solar powered water processors can free hydrogen from water, but it remains to be seen if it can ever be cost effective to do it that way.

There is no free lunch.

Solar is not cost effective, so that is the answer.

Nuclear is the only way.

 

[justoffal]

Solar is not cost effective, so that is the answer.

Nuclear is the only way.

Do you have any hopes for fusion as in Tokomak?

 

[elektra]

Do you have any hopes for fusion as in Tokomak?

Why for, we have fission

 

[surada]

And the costs to create the hydrogen is?

Spoiler alert: it ain't cheap.

Saudi Arabia Will Have Hydrogen Buses Running In 2024 | OilPrice.com

Saudi Arabia will begin producing hydrogen fuel next year for buses and trucks, the CEO of Neom Green Hydrogen Company said on Tuesday

oilprice.com