Howard Zinn: A Communist and a Liar

[Moon]

aside from his FBI file, he was a borderline communist, as is Chomsky. That doesn't mean he's a security risk, though.

Maybe not so much now, but it sure did during the Cold War.

Do you agree with the US government trying to deport John Lennon? He as also viewed as a security risk.

I don't know the details concerning John Lennon, so I really couldn't say.

 

[boedicca]

Giving the fact Van Jones DIDN'T sign the petition I want proof Zinn did Boed.

Here you go.

99. Howard Zinn, professor, historian, author, A People's History of the United States

911 Truth Statement - 911truth.org


Zinn is clearly listed as a signator. Jones was too at one point, but his signature was removed after his fracas:

Update 9/11/2009: Signatories removed.
Posted by Janice Matthews, current Director, 911Truth.org
Following recent media-generated controversy over Obama appointee Van Jones' signature on this Statement, he and two other signatories have requested their names be removed. That has been done.

 

[elvis]

Maybe not so much now, but it sure did during the Cold War.

Do you agree with the US government trying to deport John Lennon? He as also viewed as a security risk.

I don't know the details concerning John Lennon, so I really couldn't say.

It's just a little frightening when we start calling people "security risks" because they have different opinions.

 

[asterism]

Funny how calling Zinn a communist was considered "red baiting" and paranoid.

 

[Luissa]

Here some info on Zinn.

Eager to fight fascism, Zinn joined the Army Air Force during World War II where he was assigned as a bombardier in the 490th Bombardment Group.[7] bombing targets in Berlin, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary.[8] The anti-war stance Zinn developed later was informed, in part, by his experiences. In April 1945, he participated in the first military use of napalm, which took place in Royan, western France.[9]

From 1956 through 1963, Zinn chaired the department of history and social sciences at Spelman College. He participated in the Civil Rights movement and lobbied with historian August Meier[24] "to end the practice of the Southern Historical Association of holding meetings at segregated hotels."[25]

Although Zinn was a tenured professor, he was dismissed in June 1963, after siding with students in the struggle against segregation. As Zinn described[28] in The Nation, though Spelman administrators prided themselves for turning out refined "young ladies, its students were likely to be found on the picket line, or in jail for participating in the greater effort to break down segregation in public places in Atlanta

While living in Georgia, Zinn wrote that he observed 30 violations of the First and Fourteenth amendments to the United States Constitution in Albany, Georgia, including the rights to freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and equal protection under the law. In an article on the civil rights movement in Albany, Zinn described the people who participated in the Freedom Rides to end segregation, and the reluctance of President John F. Kennedy to enforce the law.[30] Zinn has also pointed out that the Justice Department under Robert F. Kennedy and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, headed by J. Edgar Hoover, did little or nothing to stop the segregationists from brutalizing civil rights workers.[31

The last sentence is interesting.

Zinn's diplomatic visit to Hanoi with Rev. Daniel Berrigan, during the Tet Offensive in January 1968, resulted in the return of three American airmen, the first American POWs released by the North Vietnamese since the U.S. bombing of that nation had begun.

Zinn described himself as “Something of an anarchist, something of a socialist. Maybe a democratic socialist.”[51] He suggested looking at socialism in its full historical context. In Madison, Wisconsin in 2009, Zinn said:

"Let's talk about socialism. I think it's very important to bring back the idea of socialism into the national discussion to where it was at the turn of the [last] century before the Soviet Union gave it a bad name. Socialism had a good name in this country. Socialism had Eugene Debs. It had Clarence Darrow. It had Mother Jones. It had Emma Goldman. It had several million people reading socialist newspapers around the country. Socialism basically said, hey, let's have a kinder, gentler society. Let's share things. Let's have an economic system that produces things not because they're profitable for some corporation, but produces things that people need. People should not be retreating from the word socialism because you have to go beyond capitalism."[52]

Howard Zinn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Luissa]

Well, not anymore, now that he's dead.

He was a security risk in the sense that he advocated for destroying our country from within, and influenced a great many susceptible students.

Do you like spreading lies? He didn't want to destroy this country.

 

[boedicca]

He promoted the radical Progressivism which is coming to a head under Obama.

Of course he got involved in the Civil Rights movement. It's not a coincidence that Progressivism and Racial Politics are highly entwined.

 

[Moon]

Do you agree with the US government trying to deport John Lennon? He as also viewed as a security risk.

I don't know the details concerning John Lennon, so I really couldn't say.

It's just a little frightening when we start calling people "security risks" because they have different opinions.

Just for having different opinions? I agree with what you said. I believe very strongly in free speech, and don't support any government action to quell unpopular opinions. When I was in the Air Force, I would wave at the anti-nuclear protesters that showed up outside our base every Friday morning. Most of them waved back.

 

[Luissa]

Giving the fact Van Jones DIDN'T sign the petition I want proof Zinn did Boed.

Here you go.

99. Howard Zinn, professor, historian, author, A People's History of the United States

911 Truth Statement - 911truth.org


Zinn is clearly listed as a signator. Jones was too at one point, but his signature was removed after his fracas:

Update 9/11/2009: Signatories removed.
Posted by Janice Matthews, current Director, 911Truth.org
Following recent media-generated controversy over Obama appointee Van Jones' signature on this Statement, he and two other signatories have requested their names be removed. That has been done.

Van Jones was removed because he didn't sign the petition, and never gave them permission to use his name. They also did the same thing to a few other people.

 

[boedicca]

That is Spin. Jones signed it and it came back to haunt him. When caught, he came up with a lame excuse.

"I was for 911Truth.org before I was against it."

 

[Luissa]

He promoted the radical Progressivism which is coming to a head under Obama.

Of course he got involved in the Civil Rights movement. It's not a coincidence that Progressivism and Racial Politics are highly entwined.

God forbid black people have rights! Do you ever stop and listen to yourself?

 

[boedicca]

It's not giving people rights to support policies which make them dependent upon Big Government.

The GOP had more to do with the voting rights legislation, which was opposed by many Democrats, than did the left - and then the Progressives moved in to destroy black families and make them subservient to the leftwing of the Democrat Party.

 

[bodecea]

He promoted the radical Progressivism which is coming to a head under Obama.

Of course he got involved in the Civil Rights movement. It's not a coincidence that Progressivism and Racial Politics are highly entwined.

I think this needs to be pointed out...just in case anyone missed this gem.

 

[Luissa]

That is Spin. Jones signed it and it came back to haunt him. When caught, he came up with a lame excuse.

"I was for 911Truth.org before I was against it."

 

[Luissa]

It's not giving people rights to support policies which make them dependent upon Big Government.

The GOP had more to do with the voting rights legislation, which was opposed by many Democrats, than did the left - and then the Progressives moved in to destroy black families and make them subservient to the leftwing of the Democrat Party.

And you make fun of people being truthers.

 

[gautama]

Giving the fact Van Jones DIDN'T sign the petition I want proof Zinn did Boed.

Yep. Van Jones is my hero also. He is and was a Commie. And, he has a long record of hostility to cops in numerous slam dunk cases where those he supported were convicted of breaking the law.

What I don't understand is why The Black Racist MARXIST, Palestinian Guardian, Muslim PC Protector, and NOW.....SUPPORTER AIDER & ABETTOR of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS' PUSSY Obami OSAMI Lopezi demoted Van Jones......after all, "birds of a feather fuck together".

 

[Luissa]

He promoted the radical Progressivism which is coming to a head under Obama.

Of course he got involved in the Civil Rights movement. It's not a coincidence that Progressivism and Racial Politics are highly entwined.

I think this needs to be pointed out...just in case anyone missed this gem.

I guess he shouldn't have fought for black students to have the same rights as white people. Man, what a radical.

 

[boedicca]

He promoted the radical Progressivism which is coming to a head under Obama.

Of course he got involved in the Civil Rights movement. It's not a coincidence that Progressivism and Racial Politics are highly entwined.

I think this needs to be pointed out...just in case anyone missed this gem.

Please do quote it. And just to put it back into context:

Democrats led a fillibuster against the Voting Rights Act, which was passed due to GOP support.

The Democrats have had a long, unseemly history of keeping minorities in a subservient position. It's not a coincidence that Progressives have worked to get minorities, especially blacks, into the leftwing of the Democrat tent. The welfare programs that have destroyed black family formations have created generations of government dependent single mothers and their unfortunate children.

That is part of the Progressive agenda - to create a permanent voting base that supports ever increasing Big Government because they are beholden to it for their survival.

How humane. How compassionate. How just.

 

[asterism]

Zinn described himself as “Something of an anarchist, something of a socialist. Maybe a democratic socialist.”[51] He suggested looking at socialism in its full historical context. In Madison, Wisconsin in 2009, Zinn said:

"Let's talk about socialism. I think it's very important to bring back the idea of socialism into the national discussion to where it was at the turn of the [last] century before the Soviet Union gave it a bad name. Socialism had a good name in this country. Socialism had Eugene Debs. It had Clarence Darrow. It had Mother Jones. It had Emma Goldman. It had several million people reading socialist newspapers around the country. Socialism basically said, hey, let's have a kinder, gentler society. Let's share things. Let's have an economic system that produces things not because they're profitable for some corporation, but produces things that people need. People should not be retreating from the word socialism because you have to go beyond capitalism."[52]

Howard Zinn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Translation:

Ignore the largest implementation of Socialism since it failed. Let's try Marxism.

What a dolt!

 

[daveman]

Funny how calling Zinn a communist was considered "red baiting" and paranoid.

And now Communism is no big deal. Hell, it's a pretty good system! It never worked before because the US never let it succeed!

It only killed a hundred million people. Let's give it another chance!

Right, USMB "progressives"?