CDZ How would you implement arming school staff to keep mass shooters from attacking?

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    Many states already allow their teachers and school staff to carry guns with them to work.....many also display signs telling the public this very fact.......and we know from research that mass shooters choose gun free zones, so getting rid of gun free zone status helps keep them away...

    So....how would you go about implementing teachers, staff and parents of the children carrying their legal handguns on school grounds...this is how some schools in Texas already do it.....for the last 4 years...

    Texas Sheriff Who Allows Teachers To Carry Firearms Leaves MSNBC's Jaw On The Floor

    On MSNBC this weekend, Sheriff Paul Cairney of Argyle, Texas, described the process by which staff members can carry firearms in the school district. The Sheriff said that the staff at the school who choose to carry a firearm go through an intense round of interviews and training before they are allowed to carry on campus. The MSNBC host was flabbergasted at the practice and asked the Sheriff about concerns for the safety of the students in the school when there are firearms around.


    The Sheriff said the practice is heavily restricted, but the “time to do nothing is over” when it comes to combating school shooters.
     
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    My ideas.....

    Think beyond the teachers, and focus on the other staff, counselors, clerks, the Principal, secretaries....they have less direct contact with students and will be moving around the building more than teachers do....

    Also, allow parents to carry their legal guns on campus...this adds another layer of unknown to the equation for a mass shooter to worry about.....

    --the ideal guns might be .38 revolvers....or .380 semi auto pistols since they are small, lightweight and easier to conceal...

    We are not looking for a shootout, we are looking to make the school a non-target....simply arming teachers accomplishes this.....and a small guns should be enough......why?

    We know that once a shooter meets armed resistance they usually commit suicide or surrender.....the last one snuck out of the building....they are not looking for a gun fight...they are looking to commit murder.

    --armed parents and staff should be required to use bathrooms that students do not use or have access to...this will limit any chance of a staff member leaving a gun in the bathroom......

    I know how this goes because a family member is in law enforcement. His department got a call from a local fast food chain that someone had left a gun in the bathroom. They sent detectives over, and found out that the gun belonged to a member of the Chicago police Department......they returned the weapon to the officer....

    Having actual former police would be good as well.

    Having on duty police patrol the school during slow periods of the day would be good.

    Leaving police cars in the parking lot when they are waiting to be repaired would also add to the uncertainty about an armed precence in the school.
     
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    I wouldn't.

    school staff shouldn't be armed.
     
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    Tell that to all the schools that already do it.
     
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    I think the best you can do is give every school a fighting chance. Have at least 3 or 4 armed staff on school grounds during school hours. They can be teachers, administrators, janitors I don't care as long as they are licensed and are certified marksmen. The goal should be that within 2 minutes of a shooter opening fire, you've got bullets flying his way. I just don't see logistically how you can hope to do any better than that.
     
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    While the idea of arming teachers is a controversial one nationally, a school district in Texas has been arming their teachers for over 4 years. The Argyle School Independent School District decided in 2014 to allow highly trained members of staff to carry guns on campus to prevent mass shootings
     
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    Just getting rid of the gun free status gets you there......this takes away the sure thing for the mass shooters.....we know they pick gun free zones.

    Also, simply allowing parents to carry their legal guns on campus would help too...another layer of uncertainty for mass shooters as they choose their target.
     
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    Hire a guard or 2. Flooding a place/building/country with guns always leads to gun crime.
     
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    Except you don't know what you are talking about...

    We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
    -- gun murder down 49%

    --gun crime down 75%

    --violent crime down 72%

    Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

    Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
     
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    Nope it's easier for a criminal to get a gun here than anywhere in the world. I don't want that to start happening in our schools.
     

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