How will Crazy Eyes Cortez pay for agenda?

[iceberg]

Wait........wut?

Hope that the current system ripe with corruption and mass spending and debt somehow finds Jesus and figures it out?

Here is an idea, let's tell the party that can't fork over $5 billion for a border wall to go to hell.

The repubs didnt fork over 5B either. Nobody wants the dumb wall. Why do you think it has failed for the past 2 years when repubs were in control?

My question Asclepias
Why not ask for more than just a Wall?
What about Walls of schools, of teaching hospitals and campus housing
all across the border?

Why not demand that the Walls that are built be the Walls of sustainable
structures to provide jobs, housing and education and services?

If Republicans are demanding 5 billion for just the external security
why not also demand Matching Funds for programs that are going to
help people to access services WITHOUT having to cross the border illegally?

Between Mexico that owes restitution for cartel crimes and collusion
involving govt corruption, as well as the traffickers themselves who owe
restitution to victims, all the countries whose citizens have been victimized,
trafficked and/or fleeing deserve safe shelter BEFORE and INSTEAD of
seeking illegal entry. So why not work with these countries to set up
alternatives on the Mexican side of the border? And grant tracks of land
and shares of ownership in campus towns and city states to workers
to develop their own communities and programs so they enjoy full
rights of democracy that are supposed to be the goal here?

Texas was developed by giving land grants to settlers to work the land.
Why not follow the wisdom of Peruvian Economist De Soto who preached
that the solution to stopping abuse and trafficking of migrant workers is to
let them work to own the land where their jobs are. Ownership will end
the cycle of poverty, and stop this whole vicious cycle of political infighting for control.

If Republicans are REAL about free enterprise and the empowerment of property ownership
where people are no longer dependent on party or government to be in charge of managing for themselves.

If Democrats are REAL about equal inclusion, empowerment and justice for minority classes,
then both sides should unite in promoting sustainable business development along the border.

Instead of just empty walls, why not build whole cities?
And fill those walls with schools, teaching hospitals, campus
jobs and housing to solve the problems of poverty and the
criminal trafficking taking advantage of poor workers?

The beauty of a wall is that it is plain for all to see. You build it and then can't change your mind a second later, can't funnel the money back out of the wall without anyone looking, does not even matter if you get politicians in there that hate it. it just sits there doing a job our political leaders should be trying to do but are too corrupt to do.

Dear Votto
We need more than just a Wall.
Mexico needs to reclaim its own land back from the drug cartels and corrupt officials letting them run amok.
By developing sustainable businesses, campuses, hospital districts and whole city states along the border,
that will solve both the problems of economic instability causing the influx
and the problem of criminal trafficking.

Don't you think it's more unifying to address BOTH the economic causes,
the criminal and the security issues with ONE SOLUTION?

How can you separate the security issues from the criminal trafficking and poverty pimping
that is sending people by droves, lured by these coyotes and traffickers.

Why not solve all problems by uniting to build sustainable development
at the same time we are planning a wall?

Would you build a house by just starting with one wall?
Wouldn't you plan the overall structure instead of fighting over what good is one wall
going to do, versus what else you plan to build in addition to that wall?

You really are not getting this.

We just had a horde of immigrants traveling to the border all the way from Honduras bypassing all other countries along the way.

Now are we to believe that there are no decent hospitals between here and there? If not, then we have an even bigger problem here that won't be solved with your solution.

As for criminal activity, the only way to curb it is to secure the border, and not having a wall in trying to do that will only make the attempt that much harder.

she gets it just fine.

most people bitch and moan about how their side is getting the shaft in all this, ergo they won't budge. her recommendations are along the lines of "grow up and work together" and i'm into that 100%.

 

[emilynghiem]

The repubs didnt fork over 5B either. Nobody wants the dumb wall. Why do you think it has failed for the past 2 years when repubs were in control?

My question Asclepias
Why not ask for more than just a Wall?
What about Walls of schools, of teaching hospitals and campus housing
all across the border?

Why not demand that the Walls that are built be the Walls of sustainable
structures to provide jobs, housing and education and services?

If Republicans are demanding 5 billion for just the external security
why not also demand Matching Funds for programs that are going to
help people to access services WITHOUT having to cross the border illegally?

Between Mexico that owes restitution for cartel crimes and collusion
involving govt corruption, as well as the traffickers themselves who owe
restitution to victims, all the countries whose citizens have been victimized,
trafficked and/or fleeing deserve safe shelter BEFORE and INSTEAD of
seeking illegal entry. So why not work with these countries to set up
alternatives on the Mexican side of the border? And grant tracks of land
and shares of ownership in campus towns and city states to workers
to develop their own communities and programs so they enjoy full
rights of democracy that are supposed to be the goal here?

Texas was developed by giving land grants to settlers to work the land.
Why not follow the wisdom of Peruvian Economist De Soto who preached
that the solution to stopping abuse and trafficking of migrant workers is to
let them work to own the land where their jobs are. Ownership will end
the cycle of poverty, and stop this whole vicious cycle of political infighting for control.

If Republicans are REAL about free enterprise and the empowerment of property ownership
where people are no longer dependent on party or government to be in charge of managing for themselves.

If Democrats are REAL about equal inclusion, empowerment and justice for minority classes,
then both sides should unite in promoting sustainable business development along the border.

Instead of just empty walls, why not build whole cities?
And fill those walls with schools, teaching hospitals, campus
jobs and housing to solve the problems of poverty and the
criminal trafficking taking advantage of poor workers?

The beauty of a wall is that it is plain for all to see. You build it and then can't change your mind a second later, can't funnel the money back out of the wall without anyone looking, does not even matter if you get politicians in there that hate it. it just sits there doing a job our political leaders should be trying to do but are too corrupt to do.

Dear Votto
We need more than just a Wall.
Mexico needs to reclaim its own land back from the drug cartels and corrupt officials letting them run amok.
By developing sustainable businesses, campuses, hospital districts and whole city states along the border,
that will solve both the problems of economic instability causing the influx
and the problem of criminal trafficking.

Don't you think it's more unifying to address BOTH the economic causes,
the criminal and the security issues with ONE SOLUTION?

How can you separate the security issues from the criminal trafficking and poverty pimping
that is sending people by droves, lured by these coyotes and traffickers.

Why not solve all problems by uniting to build sustainable development
at the same time we are planning a wall?

Would you build a house by just starting with one wall?
Wouldn't you plan the overall structure instead of fighting over what good is one wall
going to do, versus what else you plan to build in addition to that wall?

You really are not getting this.

We just had a horde of immigrants traveling to the border all the way from Honduras bypassing all other countries along the way.

Now are we to believe that there are no decent hospitals between here and there? If not, then we have an even bigger problem here that won't be solved with your solution.

As for criminal activity, the only way to curb it is to secure the border, and not having a wall in trying to do that will only make the attempt that much harder.

she gets it just fine.

most people bitch and moan about how their side is getting the shaft in all this, ergo they won't budge. her recommendations are along the lines of "grow up and work together" and i'm into that 100%.

Thanks iceberg
Yes I do wish more leaders would set better examples
with actions that work better and speak louder than words used to bully back and forth for turf wars and pecking order.

In the past to "work together" meant to water down and compromise where taxpayers on both sides lost what they wanted.
Obama's forced "consensus" didn't help but furthered greater problems with conservatives bowing down and going along with the
WORST side of liberal proposals, and that's how we ended up with the Obamacare nightmare that didn't represent either side.
Everyone gets shafted with the WRONG kind of "compromise" which is just for political show and does nothing for the public but cost more money.

What really needs to happen is the REAL kind of cooperation on longterm sustainable solutions,
such as health care coops built and managed by local populations on a free enterprise basis,
that take a lot more work than just easy legislative fixes that sound good in the media.

This isn't going to happen through govt leadership
but by design must come up from grassroots development.
So that's why we don't see this level of REAL cooperative collaborative solutions
anywhere in the media and legislative bodies. By the time the solutions
break through, they aren't "simple fixes" that can be promoted in 30 second sound bytes
and tweets back and forth. It will likely take a collaborative effort of multiple diverse
organizations and institutions already working, such as Sean Hannity's models he
promotes for health care cooperatives and other Nonprofits that have built their
own hospital and medical services programs (the Libertarians pushing for this are more aligned than not with the Green Progressives behind Sanders also pushing for worker owned business coops, and the only thing keeping this censored and suppressed is the left/right politics in the media that segregates people as rich vs. poor or liberal vs. conservative as if there aren't solutions that satisfy both). The full details of what real health care reform looks like isn't something that you can legislate "centrally" or you end up with a crazier bureaucracy of red tape trying to write this up, worse than the ACA. That's why I suggest just separating choices on tax forms, and delegating the funding to whatever general options that people pick and let them organize how they want to represent and elect the terms and conditions of health care and other social benefits instead of trying to legislate every last detail. Let the people decide if they want to go through their State, party or other nonprofit/business entity to manage their benefits.

It's really a matter of delegating all the details out to established organizations that already
developed sustainable models, and allowing taxpayers to choose where to donate or deduct their money. Not trying to reinvent the wheel and write up how all these choices actually work. Let taxpayers decide
and implement/replicate the best working models already out there to choose from.

I believe the media will help shift the focus away from leaders in Washington grandstanding and refusing to back off their positions.

The people and programs with the solutions can publicize that and redirect
the attention, focus, funding and support to what we really need to be investing in and building,
not only along the border but within our cities and states in need of reforms using the existing budgets.

The power and proposed solutions are going to come from the PEOPLE.
And Govt is going to have to reflect and follow that lead, not the other way around.

Until we unite, and put together the best ideas from diverse sources,
we continue to get the govt we have now which is as divided, abusive and wasteful as we allow to go on.

The right answers will dictate the new direction,
and with the right solutions, everyone will get what they want included in the package.
It's going to come from the people, and the very media
that is currently abused to divide and conquer will end up being
our saving grace in uniting and promoting the right ideas we can all contribute to and support.

It will take all of us, to put the best ideas together and correct the oversights and problems,
so we really don't have time to fight like this. This too shall pass, and the best is yet to come.

Happy New Year and I hope we all get it right this year!